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  1. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    This review is perfect for every buyer. He is right when he says that the UI has no targeted audience. I get confused whether it was made for people with bad eyesight or trendy hipsters :p jokes aside he is also right about how easy it is to use at the same time. He doesn't know how to use the phone like an enthusiast though that's for sure. WP fans know that if you tap the app in the notification centre you can go straight to the app. It's not his fault that he is used to iOS/android.

    He also says that the phone is perfect for beginners like parents but for teenagers and power users it sucks. They are absolutely right. This review is not bias at all. He considers every kind of consumers. Most importantly the average consumer.
    Precisely.

    He's comparing one os to another and how confusing it is and how frustrating it Can be just as it is with the dialer, email, and the other things.

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    09-07-2014 01:29 PM
  2. Bearach's Avatar
    What key aspects did he lie about?

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    I never said lie...? He just didn't know about them. His knowledge of the notification centre, regarding email? Invalid. That's just one of them. However I'll stop right here. You seem rather aggressive and I'm wanting a relaxing Sunday.
    09-07-2014 01:32 PM
  3. colinkiama's Avatar
    I never said lie...? He just didn't know about them. His knowledge of the notification centre, regarding email? Invalid. That's just one of them. However I'll stop right here. You seem rather aggressive and I'm wanting a relaxing Sunday.
    But he is right about the dialler. T9/smart dialling is long due. Do people in Microsoft even use their windows phones on a daily basis? We have seen Joe Belfiore use an iPhone, that says something about the platform...
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    09-07-2014 01:40 PM
  4. Bearach's Avatar
    But he is right about the dialler. T9/smart dialling is long due. Do people in Microsoft even use their windows phones on a daily basis.
    Maybe, but he also showed that he lacked knowledge of how to even bring a contact up. Little bit of research and he would know of the Speed dial, and the letter selector. He went the longest possible way around with it. I just feel that this was poor, and the guy didn't do enough research and fact checking to become a "serious" reviewer to me. You're fine with inaccuracies and lack of research, then fine for you. I'm not.
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    09-07-2014 01:43 PM
  5. D M C's Avatar
    Maybe, but he also showed that he lacked knowledge of how to even bring a contact up. Little bit of research and he would know of the Speed dial, and the letter selector. He went the longest possible way around with it. I just feel that this was poor, and the guy didn't do enough research and fact checking to become a "serious" reviewer to me. You're fine with inaccuracies and lack of research, then fine for you. I'm not.
    Lol!
    Speed Dialer for those who called to less people.

    Android look more faster & convenient than WP in this regard.

    I never said lie...? He just didn't know about them. His knowledge of the notification centre, regarding email? Invalid. That's just one of them. However I'll stop right here. You seem rather aggressive and I'm wanting a relaxing Sunday.
    How his knowledge about email & notification are invalid.?
    I don't think he was wrong.
    09-07-2014 01:59 PM
  6. Bearach's Avatar
    Lol!
    Speed Dialer for those who called to less people.

    Android look more faster & convenient than WP in this regard.



    How his knowledge about email & notification are invalid.?
    I don't think he was wrong.
    You can "lol" all you like, but it doesn't make it any less valid. He didn't know of either. Thus my saying he was incompetent in the use of the OS, is still valid. I was only giving examples of getting to contacts numbers, there is also more ways of course.

    With regards to the email, he wished to open the email client from the notification centre and go through to them, but pressed on the header to open a single email rather than the email program "icon" to open the client. Then complained that back took him to the Start screen. He didn't know what he was doing, that is all. I don't mind that in most cases, but to say this is a good review makes that a different matter. It isn't in my opinion.
    Last edited by Bearach; 09-07-2014 at 02:22 PM.
    09-07-2014 02:08 PM
  7. Bearach's Avatar
    I know full well that there are work arounds for many things that are not like the other platforms... but it doesn't matter. What he stated is exactly how many people see WP.

    I don't know how much clearer I can be.

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    That I can agree on, but to call this a "good" review of a product? That I can't agree on.

    Swap places here. Imagine if the "normal" way was Windows Phone, and Android was the different way. Should all the reviewers, reviewers that people trust their buying "power" on expect Android to work in every way like Windows Phone?

    It would be wrong on Android too.
    Last edited by Bearach; 09-07-2014 at 02:20 PM.
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    09-07-2014 02:10 PM
  8. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    But he is right about the dialler. T9/smart dialling is long due. Do people in Microsoft even use their windows phones on a daily basis? We have seen Joe Belfiore use an iPhone, that says something about the platform...
    Android only recently added smart dialing and is much more mature than WP,so I think they are allowed a pass here.
    09-07-2014 02:18 PM
  9. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Michael Fisher of Pocketnow
    apparently he's the only reviewer you can trust nowadays

    thanks for the OP for letting me know which reviewer NOT to look up for :)
    yeah thanks for the name!! hes the best reviewer ever
    he listed a bunch of cons for wp but hes not biased at all!! He even puts down android and ios equally
    this linus guy is a joke
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    09-07-2014 02:19 PM
  10. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    We WP users have so much time that we bring opinion of those people(which most of we don't know). about WP.

    and at the end we end up making bad mouthing on that person or website.

    It's their opinion. Let them have it. You can't force people to like WP.(anyway he is from YouTube(Google) & he has right to do make fun or say whatever he want to say about WP just like MS have right to do bad mouthing on Google (Scroogle). )

    Here in WP 95% users are Google & Android hater.

    Their are even WP websites which do same with competing OS.(like Android,iOS)
    but we all came from the platforms we now hate,these guys hate windows phone for vague reasons without even using wp
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    09-07-2014 02:22 PM
  11. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    Ugh, his voice is so annoying I couldn't even get through three minutes of hearing him talk -_-

    I've used Android since it was launched (no - really, I had the HTC G1) and have used many, many devices. None of which I was really happy with. The force close messages, Samsung's ugly skins on their Galaxy lines, the stutter no matter how much I tried to root and tweak the settings, all of it bugged me to hell. The only phone that was sort of bearable for me was the Galaxy Nexus which I used for a while until it reached EOL. After which I switched to Windows because half my family did.

    Yes, sometimes I do feel like WP is a step backwards, but I do not feel that most of the time. The smoothness, the brilliant camera, the amazing build quality, a camera KEY (!), all of it makes up for any inconveniences I might have. Android is not really a good platform at all. App development is a pain on Android (Visual Studio is a WHOLE LOT better than that Studio application Google released, which SUCKS); add to that the beauty of being able to work in C++, and also C# (which is just like Java, with the difference that it actually works ;) ). Yes, MS slipped up many times, but I feel now that they're really starting to get their sh*t together. I am sticking with WP. The pros outweigh the cons.

    Just to add, I was reading an AnandTech article (the only credible tech site, IMO), and even he commented that Windows Phone users are true and loyal to the platform, even if they are few compared to Android, because the platform has less headaches than Android. And it does. Take it from an ex-Android fan.
    09-07-2014 02:34 PM
  12. Matthew Becker1's Avatar
    This video was an absolute pain to watch. He says almost nothing about the phone itself and just rips into the operating system. Of course, he certainly can do what he wants, but if he just wanted to rip into Windows Phone 8.1 (some of his criticism I do agree with), he should have called the video that instead. Otherwise, to advertise a video about a phone while most of your review is on the OS is misleading. He tries to justify it by mentioning the One M8 where he felt it necessary but it is overall just a rant.
    09-07-2014 02:36 PM
  13. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    or may be WP isn't for everyone.

    or your hypothesis is every WP user would love WP?
    Nope, but I expect self-proclaimed techies know what they are talking about. If you have had it for a month, you may hate it, but you don't get lost as to what to do with the interface.
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    09-07-2014 02:48 PM
  14. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    To anyone who is actually taking this guy seriously, allow me to point out some of the Android issues over the years. Let's do the nitpicking for ourselves too!

    1. The back button is broken. It has NO consistency and it's up to the developers who always screw it up. At least you know on WP you can press the back button to the last activity. On Android, some apps close out entirely, or you go back to another app without first going to the home screen. The back button on Android is sometimes like the "button to some activity that you were using some time in the past". No joke.

    2. The UI inconsistency. Android's icons aren't all the same size. It annoys me so much how the some icons (like the camera, etc) are smaller than others and it gives the display a very untidy feel. At least all the tiles are consistently sized.

    3. List scrolling doesn't remember scroll location. This gives me so much love for WP, I can't even explain. Basically, say you're scrolling a list of apps on the Play Store. You open an app's page, to look through it. You don't like it. You press the back button. The list comes back but instead of being at the location where you tapped, the list it at the very beginning forcing you to scroll all the way down AGAIN. It bugged me to no end. I have never seen this happen on WP, it always remembers list location, and it's just comfortable to use.

    4. Google claims to back up your contact pictures along with contacts. But if you do a factory reset or sync your contacts to another device, the pictures that sync are at a pathetically small 100x100 pixel size or something, and opening the picture makes the person unrecognizable. Only if you open the contact and then open the pic does it sync the full-res picture (and sometimes not even then, it didn't work on KitKat for me -_-)

    I could go on, but you get the picture, right? This guy is slamming WP for the smallest issues, without giving a thought to the niggles in Android that make the experience annoying. Pathetic.
    09-07-2014 03:09 PM
  15. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    To anyone who is actually taking this guy seriously, allow me to point out some of the Android issues over the years. Let's do the nitpicking for ourselves too!

    1. The back button is broken. It has NO consistency and it's up to the developers who always screw it up. At least you know on WP you can press the back button to the last activity. On Android, some apps close out entirely, or you go back to another app without first going to the home screen. The back button on Android is sometimes like the "button to some activity that you were using some time in the past". No joke.

    2. The UI inconsistency. Android's icons aren't all the same size. It annoys me so much how the some icons (like the camera, etc) are smaller than others and it gives the display a very untidy feel. At least all the tiles are consistently sized.

    3. List scrolling doesn't remember scroll location. This gives me so much love for WP, I can't even explain. Basically, say you're scrolling a list of apps on the Play Store. You open an app's page, to look through it. You don't like it. You press the back button. The list comes back but instead of being at the location where you tapped, the list it at the very beginning forcing you to scroll all the way down AGAIN. It bugged me to no end. I have never seen this happen on WP, it always remembers list location, and it's just comfortable to use.

    4. Google claims to back up your contact pictures along with contacts. But if you do a factory reset or sync your contacts to another device, the pictures that sync are at a pathetically small 100x100 pixel size or something, and opening the picture makes the person unrecognizable. Only if you open the contact and then open the pic does it sync the full-res picture (and sometimes not even then, it didn't work on KitKat for me -_-)

    I could go on, but you get the picture, right? This guy is slamming WP for the smallest issues, without giving a thought to the niggles in Android that make the experience annoying. Pathetic.
    Number 4 was fixed years ago but spot on with the other points.
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    09-07-2014 03:12 PM
  16. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    Number 4 was fixed years ago but spot on with the other points.
    Really? It might have happened to me because I spent a lot of time using Cyanogenmod instead of stock ROM because it actually fixed the stutter considerably. Thanks for the info, though. :)
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    09-07-2014 03:40 PM
  17. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    Oh...I know..and was trying to not call anyone out directly on it ,because of what has been said in the past by the moderators here. His post was convenient since I am not on a desktop..

    I will say this..to you or anyone else ...

    To call a reviewer a liar for something you don't have a dam clue about is wrong. You made a either or statement,not an opinion.

    IMHO he did a good assessment of what some of the issues are and did not lie about them. You or anyone here does not have the right to accuse him of anything as a fact unless you or anyone else can provide proof to it.

    You may not like or appreciate what anyone else says,but make it an opinion in rebuttals. In other words feel free to give an opinion,but don't state your opinion as facts.

    His assessment of the facts are spot on for many people who don't use WP for long periods of time or are used to another platform ...and it is confusing for some of these people why things aren't as easy to what they are used to and makes no sense why they can't have to same ease of use (or functionality if you prefer) and there are plenty of people like these other folks that do use WP all the time that feels the same way.

    Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
    Either he lied about using WP for a month or he is an id10t. It's one or the other. That is a fact and hence a statement. You cannot claim yourself a technical person and use a simplistic OS and yet be lost in the interface (his comment). This is an impossible situation unless he didn't have it for a month like he claims(a lie) or he truly is lost, which means as a techie, he must be an id10. If he wasn't a tech reviewer,then I would find his confusion understandable.

    There is no other explanation, hence it is a factual statement.

    His assessment of the facts are spot on for many people who don't use WP for long periods of time or are used to another platform
    Yup but he used it for a month, so that pretty much proves my point.
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    09-07-2014 03:48 PM
  18. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    Really? It might have happened to me because I spent a lot of time using Cyanogenmod instead of stock ROM because it actually fixed the stutter considerably. Thanks for the info, though. :)
    For me it required a complete purge of contact pics and reassigning new ones.
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    09-07-2014 03:49 PM
  19. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    For me it required a complete purge of contact pics and reassigning new ones.
    That.... sounds like torture omg.
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    09-07-2014 03:52 PM
  20. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    That.... sounds like torture omg.
    Haha, yeah a little. It was a long time ago though. I'd rate it as bad as when I switched to WP and imported my google contacts. Now I'm scrounging for new pics.
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    09-07-2014 03:54 PM
  21. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    To anyone who is actually taking this guy seriously, allow me to point out some of the Android issues over the years. Let's do the nitpicking for ourselves too!

    1. The back button is broken. It has NO consistency and it's up to the developers who always screw it up. At least you know on WP you can press the back button to the last activity. On Android, some apps close out entirely, or you go back to another app without first going to the home screen. The back button on Android is sometimes like the "button to some activity that you were using some time in the past". No joke.

    2. The UI inconsistency. Android's icons aren't all the same size. It annoys me so much how the some icons (like the camera, etc) are smaller than others and it gives the display a very untidy feel. At least all the tiles are consistently sized.

    3. List scrolling doesn't remember scroll location. This gives me so much love for WP, I can't even explain. Basically, say you're scrolling a list of apps on the Play Store. You open an app's page, to look through it. You don't like it. You press the back button. The list comes back but instead of being at the location where you tapped, the list it at the very beginning forcing you to scroll all the way down AGAIN. It bugged me to no end. I have never seen this happen on WP, it always remembers list location, and it's just comfortable to use.

    4. Google claims to back up your contact pictures along with contacts. But if you do a factory reset or sync your contacts to another device, the pictures that sync are at a pathetically small 100x100 pixel size or something, and opening the picture makes the person unrecognizable. Only if you open the contact and then open the pic does it sync the full-res picture (and sometimes not even then, it didn't work on KitKat for me -_-)

    I could go on, but you get the picture, right? This guy is slamming WP for the smallest issues, without giving a thought to the niggles in Android that make the experience annoying. Pathetic.
    Every point you made is not the case for all Android phones especially with 4.4.3 or .4 and the improvements made to the app store .

    The various niggles as you call them is because of what the various carriers and manufacturers have done to different skins.

    The m8 isn't one of these.

    Just as Threshold will bring great things to WP...so will the next version Android for those phones,and some will (not anyone in particular here) will always think one of them is the greatest thing since sliced bread ,and others will find something that they don't like.

    Both have come so far in making improvements, and yet they both have a long way to go from being perfect for everyone.

    I wish that everyone could stop with acting so hurt when they read a reviewer's comments about their favorite platform that doesn't sugar coat obvious facts regardless of what platform is being reviewed.

    Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
    09-07-2014 03:58 PM
  22. Bearach's Avatar
    Oh...I know..and was trying to not call anyone out directly on it ,because of what has been said in the past by the moderators here. His post was convenient since I am not on a desktop..

    I will say this..to you or anyone else ...

    To call a reviewer a liar for something you don't have a dam clue about is wrong. You made a either or statement,not an opinion.

    IMHO he did a good assessment of what some of the issues are and did not lie about them. You or anyone here does not have the right to accuse him of anything as a fact unless you or anyone else can provide proof to it.

    You may not like or appreciate what anyone else says,but make it an opinion in rebuttals. In other words feel free to give an opinion,but don't state your opinion as facts.

    His assessment of the facts are spot on for many people who don't use WP for long periods of time or are used to another platform ...and it is confusing for some of these people why things aren't as easy to what they are used to and makes no sense why they can't have to same ease of use (or functionality if you prefer) and there are plenty of people like these other folks that do use WP all the time that feels the same way.

    Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
    I will agree it's harsh to call someone a liar without facts, hence why I never stated such. However we have rights too. We have the right to state an opinion based on what we've seen. We have the right to say it's a poor review by our own metrics.

    Fine you like the review, and he does make some valid complaints, but he's most certainly not a very good reviewer in my view. I would prefer for him to say that he found it hard to adapt to the OS, that he was used to the UX of Android, and iOS and struggled to find the way to do things. Then research if he would be right to say something, and clarify he had to research it. That he needed to think differently, which might be good for some and bad for others. What's so wrong about that? He did no research otherwise it would have shown in his review. The evidence is there in his video.

    In my opinion someone whom says they're a techie and will be reviewing things should know something about the subject matter. If not, research and make sure they are doing their readers justice. He even said he got frustrated and left the phone for long periods of time. Not sure how that helps him to make a productive review.
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    09-07-2014 03:58 PM
  23. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    Every point you made is not the case for all Android phones especially with 4.4.3 or .4 and the improvements made to the app store .

    The various niggles as you call them is because of what the various carriers and manufacturers have done to different skins.

    The m8 isn't one of these.

    Just as Threshold will bring great things to WP...so will the next version Android for those phones,and some will (not anyone in particular here) will always think one of them is the greatest thing since sliced bread ,and others will find something that they don't like.

    Both have come so far in making improvements, and yet they both have a long way to go from being perfect for everyone.

    I wish that everyone could stop with acting so hurt when they read a reviewer's comments about their favorite platform that doesn't sugar coat obvious facts regardless of what platform is being reviewed.

    Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
    Number 1 is definitely still an issue. Back button behavior is not enforced and therefore is inconsistent. That's one of my favorite thing about WP, the back button is predictable.
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    09-07-2014 04:03 PM
  24. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    Every point you made is not the case for all Android phones especially with 4.4.3 or .4 and the improvements made to the app store .

    The various niggles as you call them is because of what the various carriers and manufacturers have done to different skins.

    The m8 isn't one of these.

    Just as Threshold will bring great things to WP...so will the next version Android for those phones,and some will (not anyone in particular here) will always think one of them is the greatest thing since sliced bread ,and others will find something that they don't like.

    Both have come so far in making improvements, and yet they both have a long way to go from being perfect for everyone.

    I wish that everyone could stop with acting so hurt when they read a reviewer's comments about their favorite platform that doesn't sugar coat obvious facts regardless of what platform is being reviewed.

    Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
    That's what I was trying to point. The video that was the basis of this thread had a guy who was completely biased. You are practically saying what I am saying - no platform is without annoyances and problems. It's not about hurt feelings, it's about being objective, and that guy was all "doesn't everything these days?" and what-not. It was a poor way to highlight the problems, even if they are true.
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    09-07-2014 04:13 PM
  25. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Not liking it is fine. Not knowing what to do as a tech reviewer that had a month with the OS? Not even a little ok.

    My wife hates it. So does my daughter. They have trouble figuring it out. Understandable,they had all of 30 seconds and aren't tech reviewers.

    Okay...but tell me how anyone can get the dialer to come straight up from the phone tile ? You can't,and neither can any 3 party dialers.

    Let's face facts you nor I like anyone to put down our choice of phones or our choices for the platform,but when they are speaking truthfully,the difference between us is being able to accept criticism differently. You've chosen to refute his statements with innuendo by
    attacking his character. I look at what they say,and listen when possible to how they say it even if my first impressions is that they are seemingly biased. If it seems overly biased I go back and reread or listen again which I did which is why I have said what I have on this thread.

    I know for a fact that we all have a tendency to be biased towards something else ,it's human nature to do this ,but unless you,me,or anyone else takes the time to try to understand what they are reading, from the other person's view,we all can make wrong assumptions

    Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
    09-07-2014 05:01 PM
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