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  1. 11B1P's Avatar
    Educated theory? Based on what? Nothing I stated was based on fact, but more on common sense. Top level execs are not even "thinking" about forums. They have more important things in life than internet forums.
    09-30-2014 05:13 PM
  2. Mallguvner's Avatar
    Educated theory? Based on what? Nothing I stated was based on fact, but more on common sense. Top level execs are not even "thinking" about forums. They have more important things in life than internet forums.
    Wow.. You are a bit of mystery at least on thought processes. Educated in that I run (own actually) a forum with major players worrying about their product (not phones) but for the most part not willing to let anyone know they are paying attention. They do contact me and ask for certain things they'd like set up with the obvious reasons for their needs showing quite clearly. If you really want to argue we could do this privately unless you feel the need to show everyone that you already know what Verizon does because you've got a secret "in" at their company.

    Better yet... You can write Verizon telling them your complaints and ideas and I'll just comment here and take my chances on them being a company that really does pay attention out of necessity and assume if I hit a nerve they'll secretly react to it out of a need to show some common sense. Of course you'd have to drop lecturing me on where I can make comments regarding Verizon.

    Good luck with that...
    09-30-2014 11:35 PM
  3. Mallguvner's Avatar
    I had a reason to check out my kids old Apple 4s at the Verizon store today. The guy that sold me my phone made a point of telling me that I was still the only person who had ever asked for the HTC One for Windows. I went over to the display and he caught me saying they still didn't have one out on display. I gave him a puzzled look and wondered to myself if he thought anyone would come in and ask for a certain type of LG phone by name. Imagine how many of these phones would be selected if none were on display. The Apple phones? Yes. Others? Not so much.

    He then just politely asked if I liked my phone. Up to this point it's the best phone I've had was my answer. And it is. I just like playing around with it. I asked again why he thought none were out and he told me it was out of his pay grade. I guess he's right.

    I can say unequivocally that if customers got to handle this phone it would put a huge dent in the sales of the phones next to it assuming the Verizon guy didn't sit there and offer up that no one wants a Windows phone.

    Is it illegal to just record an event like a visit to a Verizon store with your phone? It would probably be quite entertaining but I wouldn't want to go to jail.

    MG
    10-02-2014 07:12 PM
  4. matfantastic's Avatar
    Both of the Verizon stores here have the M8 on display, just bought one ;)
    10-05-2014 04:02 PM
  5. 11B1P's Avatar
    I had a reason to check out my kids old Apple 4s at the Verizon store today. The guy that sold me my phone made a point of telling me that I was still the only person who had ever asked for the HTC One for Windows. I went over to the display and he caught me saying they still didn't have one out on display. I gave him a puzzled look and wondered to myself if he thought anyone would come in and ask for a certain type of LG phone by name. Imagine how many of these phones would be selected if none were on display. The Apple phones? Yes. Others? Not so much.

    He then just politely asked if I liked my phone. Up to this point it's the best phone I've had was my answer. And it is. I just like playing around with it. I asked again why he thought none were out and he told me it was out of his pay grade. I guess he's right.

    I can say unequivocally that if customers got to handle this phone it would put a huge dent in the sales of the phones next to it assuming the Verizon guy didn't sit there and offer up that no one wants a Windows phone.

    Is it illegal to just record an event like a visit to a Verizon store with your phone? It would probably be quite entertaining but I wouldn't want to go to jail.

    MG
    Why didn't you ask to speak to the manager? If he/she can't give you an answer, ask to speaker to their manager. Take it up as far as you have to, to find out who's "pay grade" it is that makes those decisions.
    10-05-2014 04:36 PM
  6. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I am a little confused.

    It seems people are surprised this phone is not being marketed as well....when in reality this is the same exact experience for any windows phone, including the much more popular lumia line-ups as well.

    It is a Windows Phone people, so the fact that it is not being marketed or displayed is of no surprise.

    It makes me wonder if the fact the whether this phone is new to windows phone, it still is an old phone based on the original M8's release date so that might be why they don't display/feature it as much as they could/should especially with newer hardware coming.

    (I do see more Lumia Icon displays and SE displays over the One at my local VZ stores both in Cali and NC).

    But people for some reason seem to be baffled at the lack of effort on VZW part when this is pretty much how they and every other carrier act with windows phone. At&t is better though...I remember they had a lovely display for the 1020 last year and when I went to go get my iPhone 6 for my brother, they had a little display for the 1520 and 635 as well which I thought was nice.

    It's in the center of the store(the Moto X was on the other side) and not off in a corner somewhere so I was impressed.

    But at the end of the day, people, it is a windows phone. No matter how special you think the M8 is and if people touch it they will love it, it is a windows phone and this unfortunately is how it always has been and will be until something changes.

    At least VZ is better than T-Mobile...and let's not forget how sprint was with the HTC arrive.
    10-05-2014 05:18 PM
  7. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    The 930 is just an Icon rehash. Old hardware or not, the m8's specs sans camera are better than any other WP based device on the market.

    I think the "old hardware'" comment is pretty unfounded because those who seek the latest and greatest hardware are also the minority.
    10-05-2014 07:02 PM
  8. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    The 930 is just an Icon rehash. Old hardware or not, the m8's specs sans camera are better than any other WP based device on the market.

    I think the "old hardware'" comment is pretty unfounded because those who seek the latest and greatest hardware are also the minority.
    And the fact is even with those better specs aside from battery life which I can easily get on my 1520, there is no major differentiation between them performance wise.

    Lets not exaggerate the m8 performance :D
    10-05-2014 07:13 PM
  9. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    Several people here who came from the Icon noted the performance difference.

    You don't even have this phone, so I think I believe them more than you.
    10-05-2014 07:24 PM
  10. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Several people here who came from the Icon noted the performance difference.

    You don't even have this phone, so I think I believe them more than you.
    I have the 1520 as my personal phone and a boyfriend with the icon as his personal phone(he had the m8 briefly and disliked it and wanted the Lumia windows phone experience) and now a brother with the m8. So I think I know what I am talking about in comparison to all three. :D

    I tried to talk my brother out of the m8 but he got it anyway :)

    My 1520 vs the m8, isn't anything substantial of a difference. A slight edge to the m8 in some cases but nothing that would make me say the 1520 or the icon is a lesser phone :D

    But thank you for telling me what I don't know and don't have :)
    10-05-2014 08:22 PM
  11. BytorJr's Avatar
    Some things I've noticed at VZ store across the street from me.
    1) One of the guys at the store likes the Windows Phone platform and says if it just had more apps then it'd be there. He's right, unfortunately...a good number of banks are not on WP, youtube doesn't have support (Google, I know), SiriusXM, etc, etc. It sounds like a broken record. At least this VZ guy was supportive of the platform though!
    2) There are limited (I'll count them tomorrow) WP on display. Maybe a single Icon. Heck, this store by me didn't have the new Moto X on display!
    3) VZ is starting to slip too. I get (according to my RAZR M) -69 to -72dBm signal and still get voice cut outs...unacceptable.

    Contrast this to my AT&T 520 (I'm searching for good coverage so I tried AT&T), which sounds good, gets good signal and voice everywhere, and has Cortana. I have to say Cortana rocks in the short time I've used this feature. Much better at understanding me than Google and sounds like a real person unlike Siri. The 520 is also better performing than the RAZR M which has been more or less destroyed by the KitKat updates. I just wish MSFT could break the carrier update stuff; but they have no leverage.
    10-05-2014 08:28 PM
  12. scotiez's Avatar
    When I bought mine it was 2 days after the M8 launch day. My Store did not have one on display cause Verizon had not sent them a display model yet. The Next week they had one. The Windows market is getting stronger here compared to a year ago thanks to the Icon and the new M8. The sales rep told me a few people are switching over. I switched from IOS cause I wanted something that worked with my computers without problems. I could not get IOS to work with my computer very well. He also told me some people are just getting tired of the old same boring platform IOS has to offer, and some are switching from android just cause they want to try something different. I really don't care about the App store being small, I am not a big app person and can usually find what I am looking for anyway.
    As for those commenting on the m8 who does not have one you should really keep your opinions to your self as this is a HTC One M8 thread. And Just because your boyfriend, brother, mom, or dad has one does not make you an expert on the M8. I could go into the Samsung or lumia threads and spout off my opinion, but it wouldn't mean anything as for even though I know people who has those phones, it does not make me an expert on if the phone is any good or not. I use my HTC phone daily and I think the quality is as good as any other phone out there.
    10-05-2014 09:02 PM
  13. BytorJr's Avatar
    I don't have a lot of apps on my android; but the biggest problem other than apps is the updates. I'm either going to resort to going to Apple (concerned about "bendgate" and iTunes. Nothing like android or WP to just hook into your laptop and go. Also, I must, by now have tons of USB cables and that's another drawback for iPhone. Android support, without a Nexus device, stinks too as carriers don't update the stuff.

    Now, I guess, I COULD be a "developer" but I have no desire to develop. I'm really discouraged by the dang service providers as they seem to be the weak link in all ecosystems other than Apple (though I have no clue about Blackberry 10).

    The apps I'd like more regional banking apps, Sirius XM, Zipcar (from vendor), official MBTA, rootmetrics, ratebeer. I see Marriott finally came on board. This highlights another issue. I want WP to succeed and the reason I don't have a WP is because of the lack of some of my apps (which are coming...but...just as I discovered Marriott). How many people (not WP enthusiasts) have taken a look over the past few months and almost nothing like an official vendor app is there...and move on?

    Just observations and not trying to get flamed (though I'm donning my suit...LOL).
    10-05-2014 10:10 PM
  14. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    As for those commenting on the m8 who does not have one you should really keep your opinions to your self as this is a HTC One M8 thread. And Just because your boyfriend, brother, mom, or dad has one does not make you an expert on the M8. I could go into the Samsung or lumia threads and spout off my opinion, but it wouldn't mean anything as for even though I know people who has those phones, it does not make me an expert on if the phone is any good or not. I use my HTC phone daily and I think the quality is as good as any other phone out there.
    The fact you people think because this is the M8 forum and that people can't speak their opinions about the device, is laughable.
    I never said I was an expert however giving that he does have the M8, I do play with it often enough to know what to expect from the device so I know what I am talking about.

    Unlike some people who comment that they never used an icon or 930 or lumia 1520 but they are reporting off what others said, I have used the device. I never said the quality was below any other phone, it's a well made phone and if it wasn't for Lumia, I'd likely have one.

    I've said the Lumia experience is what makes me love and stay with Lumia as well as the more than adequate support of Nokia the last...3 years or so :)

    I strongly look forward to Lumia Denim, features that have yet not been reported to be coming to any other phones(though they could eventually) and I wished HTC could/would come out with their own versions of Amber, Black, Cyan and Denim :D
    10-05-2014 10:39 PM
  15. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    The fact you people think because this is the M8 forum and that people can't speak their opinions about the device, is laughable.
    I never said I was an expert however giving that he does have the M8, I do play with it often enough to know what to expect from the device so I know what I am talking about.

    Unlike some people who comment that they never used an icon or 930 or lumia 1520 but they are reporting off what others said, I have used the device. I never said the quality was below any other phone, it's a well made phone and if it wasn't for Lumia, I'd likely have one.

    I've said the Lumia experience is what makes me love and stay with Lumia as well as the more than adequate support of Nokia the last...3 years or so :)

    I strongly look forward to Lumia Denim, features that have yet not been reported to be coming to any other phones(though they could eventually) and I wished HTC could/would come out with their own versions of Amber, Black, Cyan and Denim :D
    They do come out with their own firmware. Just because they don't deem it necessary to give it a name of a color doesn't mean they don't exist.

    The only notable denim feature will be hey Cortana and that will come to any s800 or higher device.
    10-05-2014 10:57 PM
  16. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    They do come out with their own firmware. Just because they don't seem it necessary to give it a name of a color doesn't mean they don't exist.

    The only notable denim feature will be hey Cortana and that will come to any s800 or higher device.
    I've never heard of an HTC device having any meaningful update. The name of the software is irrelevant. I've never seen an article nor hype building up for any non Lumia firmware updates.

    The most I've seen is when Samsung came out with a few specific things that were better done like the folders thing.

    So no....htc has never done anything similar for their lineup period. If I am not mistaken huawei also has released firmware...yet again nothing special really added to it.

    As far as hey Cortana...youre speaking on speculation.. Meaning you have no basis for it. Just because it can run it does not mean it is coming to all phones that can.
    DOesnt mean it is not...it very well might but given the fact this mentioned during a Lumia event for a Lumia specific update likely means it wont...at least not initially, come to any non Lumia devices.

    This is what I want Microsoft to keep doing. If we must have HTC and all these other OEMs make random phones then let them do so. But make Lumia the signature lineup since that is what most people have and want :)
    10-05-2014 11:04 PM
  17. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    I've never heard of an HTC device having any meaningful update. The name of the software is irrelevant. I've never seen an article nor hype building up for any non Lumia firmware updates.
    Any time HTC releases an update, firmware comes along with it. They don't name the firmware. In addition they like throw their apps on the store for quicker updates so that firmware is mostly driver updates.


    So no....htc has never done anything similar for their lineup period. If I am not mistaken huawei also has released firmware...yet again nothing special really added to it.
    Yes they have. Cyan is merely a driver and Nokia specific app update. The OS is separate. HTC does the same thing.

    As far as hey Cortana...youre speaking on speculation.. Meaning you have no basis for it. Just because it can run it does not mean it is coming to all phones that can.
    Considering that all but one Nokia phone out there has a soc that can support it, I'd say I am right. Not only that, Cortana is an OS level feature, not firmware. Using hey Cortana is a dead giveaway that it will not be Nokia specific. S800+ have low powered audio DSPs for always listening. It will probably require a firmware update for drivers, however. If MS limits hey Cortana to Nokia only devices, they will doom the OS. They aren't stupid. They aren't opening up WP for everyone just to limit what they are allowed to do with it.



    For someone who sells these things (didnt you say that?) you sure don't know much about them.

    This is what I want Microsoft to keep doing. If we must have HTC and all these other OEMs make random phones then let them do so. But make Lumia the signature lineup since that is what most people have and want :)
    This just shows you don't know anything about business.
    10-05-2014 11:23 PM
  18. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Any time HTC releases an update, firmware comes along with it. They don't name the firmware. In addition they like throw their apps on the store for quicker updates so that firmware is mostly driver updates.
    I never said HTC didn't do firmware updates. I simply said the stuff they add to their phones, most people don't know or care about really. It's not like most people who are waiting for Denim presently or Cyan...or even Black or Amber.

    So yeah they do firmware updates(which I said)....nothing special(Like I also said).

    And yep those HTC apps....gotta praise HTC for their wonderful clock app and a flashlight app and a few other prized gems lol.




    Yes they have. Cyan is merely a driver and Nokia specific app update. The OS is separate. HTC does the same thing.
    There is a mass difference in Nokia updates(that usually plug in holes of the OS and/or add additional features) vs whatever it is HTC does.

    Considering that all but one Nokia phone out there has a soc that can support it, I'd say I am right. Not only that, Cortana is an OS level feature, not firmware. Using hey Cortana is a dead giveaway that it will not be Nokia specific. S800+ have low powered audio DSPs for always listening. It will probably require a firmware update for drivers, however. If MS limits hey Cortana to Nokia only devices, they will doom the OS. They aren't stupid. They aren't opening up WP for everyone just to limit what they are allowed to do with it.
    I would love to know how restricting a feature to the line up that 95 percent of the customers use would Doom the OS. To expand a bit, let's look at the desktop(Microsoft's throne as of right now). With so many news/rumors coming out about this OEM or that oEM either focusing on chromebook or lessening their sales in a particular company, it is time for Microsoft to stop trying to appease these OEMS.

    We got to see a bit of actual effort and muscle from Microsoft in the Surface Pro 3 and the fact that that is a product I always hear about in the news. Tbh, I've never really heard much about any windows related tablet/pc as much as I hear about the Surface.

    it makes me wonder what would happen if Microsoft stopped chasing these OEMs to try and convince them to give Windows Phone a chance(and even if they do, the OS is still a #2 to them with Android as Number 1).

    How on earth is making a feature, any feature, exclusive to Lumia going to doom the OS? I guess we will ignore the fact the platform only got steam and moved numbers BECAUSE of the Lumia lineup in the first place.

    As open as Android is, you do forget that google themselves close off the OS and that even their own Nexus line either gets updates WAY in advance than the other phones and sometimes even have specific features only found on their Nexus line up.

    it doesn't doom the OS.

    I know plenty about business. I am not calling myself an expert. But if Microsoft actually listened to its userbase they'd know the masses are calling for

    925 replacement(since most don't consider the 930 a successor)

    1020 replacement(Same size, same camera, better processor and they are happy).

    1520 replacement

    Nobody is calling for front facing speakers(though I am sure we wouldn't mind), Ir blaster(again most people wouldn't mind probably)...I'd take an SD card slot though.

    IMO, Microsoft is going about it the wrong way. At least in the high end department....Low end is fine. Let Blu and all these other lesser do what they do.

    In the high end department, they need to be king and show what the OS is capable of fully and releasing exclusive features and stop trying to chase this OEM and that OEM.

    Sales have spoken...the people want lumia. The fact people are holding on to their 920s or even 900s from 2-3 years ago instead of upgrading to the One M8 or if they do upgrade to the One M8, it's usually because they just want something new until the New lumia lineup comes out.

    I am not bashing the M8 but I wish people would treat the M8 for what it is. A great windows phone that gives people an option but it is nothing special anymore than any other Lumia nor is it what the masses are demanding.

    Sales has proven that so far :)
    10-05-2014 11:42 PM
  19. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    I never said HTC didn't do firmware updates. I simply said the stuff they add to their phones, most people don't know or care about really. It's not like most people who are waiting for Denim presently or Cyan...or even Black or Amber.
    Source for your statistic of most people?


    And yep those HTC apps....gotta praise HTC for their wonderful clock app and a flashlight app and a few other prized gems lol.
    I'll forgive you because you don't have this phone and don't know squat about it, but there are more than that on there.




    There is a mass difference in Nokia updates(that usually plug in holes of the OS and/or add additional features) vs whatever it is HTC does.
    No there isn't apart from time to release.


    I would love to know how restricting a feature to the line up that 95 percent of the customers use would Doom the OS. To expand a bit, let's look at the desktop(Microsoft's throne as of right now). With so many news/rumors coming out about this OEM or that oEM either focusing on chromebook or lessening their sales in a particular company, it is time for Microsoft to stop trying to appease these OEMS.
    Because every S800 and up phone, which will be A LOT in the near future will support it. Think bigger than your own narrow vision. MS will open up the API and you know it. Microsoft thrives because of OEMs. For them to shun them, is to hurt themselves and in a big way. Surface wasn't to compete with OEMs, it was to up the game. Nothing on a Surface cannot be had on any other OEM device.



    How on earth is making a feature, any feature, exclusive to Lumia going to doom the OS?
    See my last comment. You can't increase OS adoption by screwing your OEM partners. Android got to where it was by opening up to everyone. Apple is only where it is today because it was the first and still has the strongest app ecosystem. MS will open up the API.


    As open as Android is, you do forget that google themselves close off the OS and that even their own Nexus line either gets updates WAY in advance than the other phones and sometimes even have specific features only found on their Nexus line up.
    No they don't. OEMs have the same exact OS level access at the same time. They release slower because a) they have their own overlay they need to integrate and b) they have carriers to contend with. They could even release at the same time if they wanted, thanks to the PDK.



    As for the rest, that is just Lumia fanboy silliness. You say you aren't bashing the M8, but you do every time.
    10-05-2014 11:53 PM
  20. raqball's Avatar
    I just purchased a One M8 for Windows today and they had it on display front and center of the store..
    10-09-2014 07:43 PM
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  22. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Ugh I hope the retiring of the icon has nothing to do with this phone. Though it does make you wonder what will happen with the HTC one and the se

    I went in to check out about the icon and it was gone though the m8 was still obscure and hidden away like a mistress lmao

    I have no clue what phone I am going to recommend to my friends on Verizon who want to try windows phone. One of my close friends wants to get a windows phone and I really have no idea what to recommend as verizons other offerings are nothing I support and questionable support makes you wonder the longevity of these devices
    10-09-2014 08:15 PM
  23. Bowlegz's Avatar
    The store that I got my M8 from had the Icon and the Htc on display. Only problem was that when I said that I wanted to check out the M8, first the rep laughed at my choice and then tried to sell me something else. They said that windows OS is horrible, but that if I must have an M8 to buy the Android version.
    10-10-2014 03:09 AM
  24. Mallguvner's Avatar
    Why didn't you ask to speak to the manager? If he/she can't give you an answer, ask to speaker to their manager. Take it up as far as you have to, to find out who's "pay grade" it is that makes those decisions.
    Am I missing something here? I just read where you created a petition around here to get Verizon to do something on updating. I thought you told me not to bother because they don't read these forums? Kudos to you for trying but I'm trying to wrap my head around what I just read... :D

    Good luck... MG
    10-12-2014 02:49 AM
  25. drufranco's Avatar
    I just switched over from the Icon to the M8 last Friday evening and both were proudly displayed at my store. It doesn't mean that salespeople were pushing customers over there (because they weren't) but they were on display with a big Windows Phone sign.
    With that said though I have to say this is the first time I had a sales rep that knew anything about the Windows phone. She had the Icon when it first came out and had nothing but positive things to say about it especially the camera. Of course now she was sporting a new iPhone 6 but hey at least she had some knowledge.
    Anyways my transition from the Icon to the M8 went smoothly (besides having to remove the dedicated Nokia apps from my M8) and I have to say this phone is definitely snappier. Maybe the Icon will catch up when or if ever it receives the Cyan or Denim update.
    IMO the design and shape of the M8 is far superior to the Icon's box / square shape. Fits perfectly in my hand so for "ME" that makes it a better experience over the Icon.
    I am still getting use to the cover though, the dot case thing. I like being able to see things quickly though it but it is pretty springy so when looking or typing on the phone it is always being pushy trying to snap back in place.
    Last edited by drufranco; 10-16-2014 at 08:29 AM.
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