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  1. anon(9226130)'s Avatar
    I'm a Nokia fan but I like the One M8. That's a strong phone.
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    01-28-2015 07:13 AM
  2. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I loved the Verizon 8X I had for a while. Very nice phone, over the years, I have had MANY HTC devices and besides a few issues here and there, they were good phones.

    The M8 is a nice phone but, I don't think it's that much better than the 930/929 (ICON). Sure it has it's perks but, also has it's limits.

    The M8 is a flagship from HTC but, I wanted to be super impressed and I was not..

    Still a nice phone but, not a Nokia killer...
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    01-28-2015 07:23 AM
  3. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Maybe, HTC let some of those Nokia fanboys down in the past?
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    01-28-2015 07:47 AM
  4. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    I haven't seen any sign of this in nearly five years being accurate at all. In the windows phone 7 days there were lots of alternatives and in the windows phone 8 days all OEMs were on equal footing. Samsung and HTC slacked and Nokia rose to power....now with the Nokia sale, blu is an up and comer and HTC has the perfect opportunity to swoop in and be relevant except they aren't.

    What will help windows phone is developer and carrier support. Not a rush of OEMs.

    I don't mind being an isheep type of person. Because I like the idea that all windows phones are made from the same people who make my operating system and control that. I want Microsoft to take an apple approach because this current android approach is an utter mess.
    1. Windows Phone hasn't been free to OEMs for five years.
    2. It wasn't until 8.1 that they made it OEM friendly.
    3. Developer support comes with OEM and carrier support. If you don't have OEM and carrier support, you don't have enough market share to entire developers. Nokia alone couldn't do it, and neither will Microsoft( 8.1 changes for OEMs shows they don't want to try either). Developers don't want to work on a platform that may not make a return on investment and show a profit. Development is very expensive if you haven't done it. 40 man hours from me costs thousands of dollars (not that I see that much). I tried to develop a WP app for a client and he canned it. He didn't want to spend the time and therefore only had me write it for iOS and Android because his employees use one or the other, with iOS being the majority.

    So give it time, it is too early to see the effects OEMs will or will not have.
    01-28-2015 07:50 AM
  5. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Well, I'm going to just start by calling this a troll thread because the title starts us off with an insult, then the main post basically backs up the insult with opinion-based facts like which material feels better. However, I'll respond with a list of my complaints with the One (M8) for Windows, but I wanted to start with that to make it known that the point was presented and defended poorly, because it is, and these types of stances (detractors are "fanboys," opinions are facts).

    1. You can say that aluminum "feels more premium," all you want, but I still don't like it. My cousin has the Android One (M8), and I would never want such a device. The body is extremely slick, though my black Lumia 920 is pretty lacking in the grip friction department as well. So, to me, you're talking about the feeling of a pair of materials (aluminum, matte polycarbonate--can't speak for the glossy stuff on the red and white 920s, for example) that I find too slick to hold, then either option is going to get a case thrown on for grip, and the aluminum-vs.-polycarbonate feeling is out the window. Also, I generally don't care for the aluminum because it's more of a heat conductor, so if your phone is out in the cold, it's colder to the touch, and vice versa in the heat (though I can't speak to the degree of that preference when I haven't used an aluminum device on a daily basis).

    2. I've owned an HTC device in the past--the HTC Droid Incredible. That device soured me on HTC as a whole forever. The music player was crash-prone (as someone whose device was primarily for music, that drove me nuts), and HTC offered very little software support (1 major update and 1 minor update in 2 years, and IDK what either did). HTC just didn't seem like a quality long-term investment, so I don't bother with them anymore.

    3. This is probably the top issue: HTC's trust in Windows Phone. With the 8X and 8S, HTC built two phones from the ground-up for Windows Phone. Granted, I didn't care for the devices (too thin/flimsy-feeling), they weren't outright terrible, and they were intelligently planned. The On (M8) for Windows is an abomination that ends up being an Android device with Windows Phone jammed inside. The camera button I love about Windows Phone isn't there. The on-screen nav buttons irritate me (that goes for every device manufacturer). HTC basically took the free licensing of Windows Phone and reused their Android hardware, never considering how consumers felt the two would go together logistically.

    4. We will not see the same level of support from HTC as we will from Microsoft (ties back in to #2 a bit). The Lumia firmware won't come to any HTC devices, and we don't know the level of long-term support the HTC One (M8) will get, or if there will be a successor. Even if there IS a successor, it will probably just be another Android hardware port with the same complaints as this one (no camera button, on-screen nav, minimal software support).

    So, in short: HTC's One (M8) for Windows was a half-hearted device thrown together with recycled parts, ignorant of the experience Windows Phone users expect. There's nothing from a hardware or software standpoint that I consider advantageous, when putting the One (M8) against the Lumia 930. The 930's not on AT&T, so I stick with my 920 because the One (M8) seems like a functional compromise and a device that just wouldn't be pleasant for me to use.

    So, those are my OPINIONS about the One (M8), and why I wouldn't switch from my 920 to it if I was given the HTC device for free. It offers no advantage to the competition, while having drawbacks. If having an opinion based on reason and preference outside of brand loyalty is the definition of a "fanboy," then I guess we're both guilty of that here.
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    01-28-2015 07:55 AM
  6. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Well, I'm going to just start by calling this a troll thread because the title starts us off with an insult, then the main post basically backs up the insult with opinion-based facts like which material feels better. However, I'll respond with a list of my complaints with the One (M8) for Windows, but I wanted to start with that to make it known that the point was presented and defended poorly, because it is, and these types of stances (detractors are "fanboys," opinions are facts).

    1. You can say that aluminum "feels more premium," all you want, but I still don't like it. My cousin has the Android One (M8), and I would never want such a device. The body is extremely slick, though my black Lumia 920 is pretty lacking in the grip friction department as well. So, to me, you're talking about the feeling of a pair of materials (aluminum, matte polycarbonate--can't speak for the glossy stuff on the red and white 920s, for example) that I find too slick to hold, then either option is going to get a case thrown on for grip, and the aluminum-vs.-polycarbonate feeling is out the window. Also, I generally don't care for the aluminum because it's more of a heat conductor, so if your phone is out in the cold, it's colder to the touch, and vice versa in the heat (though I can't speak to the degree of that preference when I haven't used an aluminum device on a daily basis).

    2. I've owned an HTC device in the past--the HTC Droid Incredible. That device soured me on HTC as a whole forever. The music player was crash-prone (as someone whose device was primarily for music, that drove me nuts), and HTC offered very little software support (1 major update and 1 minor update in 2 years, and IDK what either did). HTC just didn't seem like a quality long-term investment, so I don't bother with them anymore.

    3. This is probably the top issue: HTC's trust in Windows Phone. With the 8X and 8S, HTC built two phones from the ground-up for Windows Phone. Granted, I didn't care for the devices (too thin/flimsy-feeling), they weren't outright terrible, and they were intelligently planned. The On (M8) for Windows is an abomination that ends up being an Android device with Windows Phone jammed inside. The camera button I love about Windows Phone isn't there. The on-screen nav buttons irritate me (that goes for every device manufacturer). HTC basically took the free licensing of Windows Phone and reused their Android hardware, never considering how consumers felt the two would go together logistically.

    4. We will not see the same level of support from HTC as we will from Microsoft (ties back in to #2 a bit). The Lumia firmware won't come to any HTC devices, and we don't know the level of long-term support the HTC One (M8) will get, or if there will be a successor. Even if there IS a successor, it will probably just be another Android hardware port with the same complaints as this one (no camera button, on-screen nav, minimal software support).

    So, in short: HTC's One (M8) for Windows was a half-hearted device thrown together with recycled parts, ignorant of the experience Windows Phone users expect. There's nothing from a hardware or software standpoint that I consider advantageous, when putting the One (M8) against the Lumia 930. The 930's not on AT&T, so I stick with my 920 because the One (M8) seems like a functional compromise and a device that just wouldn't be pleasant for me to use.

    So, those are my OPINIONS about the One (M8), and why I wouldn't switch from my 920 to it if I was given the HTC device for free. It offers no advantage to the competition, while having drawbacks. If having an opinion based on reason and preference outside of brand loyalty is the definition of a "fanboy," then I guess we're both guilty of that here.
    Preach 😊 :P
    01-28-2015 08:01 AM
  7. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    1. Windows Phone hasn't been free to OEMs for five years.
    2. It wasn't until 8.1 that they made it OEM friendly.
    3. Developer support comes with OEM and carrier support. If you don't have OEM and carrier support, you don't have enough market share to entire developers. Nokia alone couldn't do it, and neither will Microsoft( 8.1 changes for OEMs shows they don't want to try either). Developers don't want to work on a platform that may not make a return on investment and show a profit. Development is very expensive if you haven't done it. 40 man hours from me costs thousands of dollars (not that I see that much). I tried to develop a WP app for a client and he canned it. He didn't want to spend the time and therefore only had me write it for iOS and Android because his employees use one or the other, with iOS being the majority.

    So give it time, it is too early to see the effects OEMs will or will not have.
    Just because it has not been free five years doesn't mean the last five years are irrelevant. Sure give it time to see what happens but even in the nearly year since going free absolutely nothing has changed.

    If aanything with the lack of Lumia it got worse.
    01-28-2015 08:03 AM
  8. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    Well, I'm going to just start by calling this a troll thread because the title starts us off with an insult, then the main post basically backs up the insult with opinion-based facts like which material feels better. However, I'll respond with a list of my complaints with the One (M8) for Windows, but I wanted to start with that to make it known that the point was presented and defended poorly, because it is, and these types of stances (detractors are "fanboys," opinions are facts).

    1. You can say that aluminum "feels more premium," all you want, but I still don't like it. My cousin has the Android One (M8), and I would never want such a device. The body is extremely slick, though my black Lumia 920 is pretty lacking in the grip friction department as well. So, to me, you're talking about the feeling of a pair of materials (aluminum, matte polycarbonate--can't speak for the glossy stuff on the red and white 920s, for example) that I find too slick to hold, then either option is going to get a case thrown on for grip, and the aluminum-vs.-polycarbonate feeling is out the window. Also, I generally don't care for the aluminum because it's more of a heat conductor, so if your phone is out in the cold, it's colder to the touch, and vice versa in the heat (though I can't speak to the degree of that preference when I haven't used an aluminum device on a daily basis).

    2. I've owned an HTC device in the past--the HTC Droid Incredible. That device soured me on HTC as a whole forever. The music player was crash-prone (as someone whose device was primarily for music, that drove me nuts), and HTC offered very little software support (1 major update and 1 minor update in 2 years, and IDK what either did). HTC just didn't seem like a quality long-term investment, so I don't bother with them anymore.

    3. This is probably the top issue: HTC's trust in Windows Phone. With the 8X and 8S, HTC built two phones from the ground-up for Windows Phone. Granted, I didn't care for the devices (too thin/flimsy-feeling), they weren't outright terrible, and they were intelligently planned. The On (M8) for Windows is an abomination that ends up being an Android device with Windows Phone jammed inside. The camera button I love about Windows Phone isn't there. The on-screen nav buttons irritate me (that goes for every device manufacturer). HTC basically took the free licensing of Windows Phone and reused their Android hardware, never considering how consumers felt the two would go together logistically.

    4. We will not see the same level of support from HTC as we will from Microsoft (ties back in to #2 a bit). The Lumia firmware won't come to any HTC devices, and we don't know the level of long-term support the HTC One (M8) will get, or if there will be a successor. Even if there IS a successor, it will probably just be another Android hardware port with the same complaints as this one (no camera button, on-screen nav, minimal software support).

    So, in short: HTC's One (M8) for Windows was a half-hearted device thrown together with recycled parts, ignorant of the experience Windows Phone users expect. There's nothing from a hardware or software standpoint that I consider advantageous, when putting the One (M8) against the Lumia 930. The 930's not on AT&T, so I stick with my 920 because the One (M8) seems like a functional compromise and a device that just wouldn't be pleasant for me to use.

    So, those are my OPINIONS about the One (M8), and why I wouldn't switch from my 920 to it if I was given the HTC device for free. It offers no advantage to the competition, while having drawbacks. If having an opinion based on reason and preference outside of brand loyalty is the definition of a "fanboy," then I guess we're both guilty of that here.
    Recycled parts that months later is still a generation newer than any hardware produced by Nokia or Microsoft. If you can look past the camera, its a great device. The camera isn't all bad for what I used it for though. Of course, the 930 is simply a recycled Icon. Why do we have to look down on HTC for repurposing hardware? Microsoft allowed for repurposing on purpose, to entice OEMs.

    I know the whole "but WP doesn't need it" argument ( I don't need a sports car, but I have one because I wanted it, so...), but I cannot tell you how many times I see WP users calling for a Nokia/MS flagship, so the demand is definitely there. The M8 is a SD801, and SD810s are coming out now, with SD820s on the horizon. A new WP flagship is...where? Who knows.
    01-28-2015 08:04 AM
  9. Bahamen's Avatar
    This little gem is reason enough to hate on the M8:

    A Brief History of Photography - HTC Blog

    Hate to spread the BS that HTC was spouting, but some of you may get a good laugh out of this.
    01-28-2015 08:09 AM
  10. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Well the M8 filled the void of no flagship for the past few months perfectly fine so I don't see the whole complaint about "we don't need it" yeah sure the camera is an absolute mess. But the internal hardware shines, it matches those of a 930.

    Both are 5" 1080p displays, powered by a Snapdragon 800 for the 930 and a 801 for the M8 (not much of a difference really.)

    Both of them have 32 GB internal storage however the M8 accepts MicroSD cards (I'm sure you've all seen the threads about WTF NO SD CARDS)

    HTC One M8 has the "Boom speakers" while I never tested them out, apparently it's a great thing to listen too.

    Basically it comes down to this: You want a flagship? Do you care about the camera? No? One M8, you do? 930

    In terms of pricing, since neither of them are in Canada (1020 the last flagship lol) I'll go to the USA stores and see. For some magical reason AT&T charges 669.99$ for the M8 while Verizon charges 499.99$ for no contract. And just for fun T-Mobile charges 639.99$

    Lumia 930, well good luck getting that from a carrier since the only one is Verizon with their Icon oh but wait you can't get it... Unless of course you go to a place like expansys in that case they sell it for 399.99$ right now but regular price is 599.99$. So 100$ more than the cheapest price for the M8.

    In terms of support from HTC, well, let's just see if they improved from their reorganization.
    Last edited by ShinraCorp; 01-28-2015 at 11:13 AM.
    01-28-2015 08:34 AM
  11. drufranco's Avatar
    I am a fan of the OS, not to the hardware that runs it . If a phone comes out looks great and runs Windows OS then I will jump ship from any vendors phone to have what IMO is the coolest looking phone currently on the market. Since switching from Apple I have used the Nokia 928, 929 / icon and now the M8. I miss the cameras on the other two but overall running DP8.1 runs the best for me on the M8.
    Anyways to each their own. As long as you are supporting the OS, choice is nice for the hardware side of things to differentiate yourself from your fellow Windows phone users, unlike Apple where everyone looks the same minus the cases but the same stale looking home and lock screens.
    Now I need the hardware and I'm set.
    IMO Windows 10 has so much potential especially with the "design one app that will work on all" approach so patiently waiting to see what hardware / flagships will be released this year and if any of it will come to Verizon. (fingers crossed)
    If not like I stated on other threads maybe it is time for me to make a switch to a more friendly Windows carrier.
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    01-28-2015 08:34 AM
  12. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    Just because it has not been free five years doesn't mean the last five years are irrelevant.
    Your lack of business experience is showing again.

    OEMs will not come to a platform that has very little market share if they have to pay a fee on top of that. It makes more sense to go Android, which has royalty fees to MS as well, but Android is pretty much guaranteed to make a bigger profit than WP. Making it free and allowing existing hardware to run it helps bring in OEMs, and we saw this happen last year with a grip of new OEMs bringing out WP handsets.
    01-28-2015 08:44 AM
  13. Adrynalyne's Avatar

    In terms of support from HTC, well, let's just see if they improved from their reorganization.
    They have for Android, so lets hope for WP too.
    01-28-2015 08:47 AM
  14. Midniteryu's Avatar
    Upgraded from a HTC 8X and am Happy with the M8. However I believe the most important feature of the Lumia or the HTC WPs is their windows phones, we all have our preferences and desired features we value over others but at the end of the day we're all supporting windows phone and maybe with Windows 10 the gap between these phones might become smaller.
    01-28-2015 08:59 AM
  15. maevinj's Avatar
    The camera sucks. I was already to buy this until I started seeing samples from the android version, and then comparing it to my 928. There really wasn't a comparison. HTC dropped the ball with the camera, and ever knows it.
    If they rectify the situation with the camera for the M9, I think you'll see a lot of "Nokia fan boys" jump ship.
    01-28-2015 09:04 AM
  16. wasim sallam's Avatar
    M8 is a very good phone, I wish it is available outside USA, I would buy it right now.
    sooner M9 will be reviled and maybe after few months it will get Windows10 version.
    so i hope this one will be available worldwide
    01-28-2015 09:05 AM
  17. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    The camera sucks. I was already to buy this until I started seeing samples from the android version, and then comparing it to my 928. There really wasn't a comparison. HTC dropped the ball with the camera, and ever knows it.
    If they rectify the situation with the camera for the M9, I think you'll see a lot of "Nokia fan boys" jump ship.
    Doubtful especially since it is unlikely we would jump ship to an HTC camera when Lumia pureview is coming :P if HTC brings a 41 or higher megapixel camera then we can talk.
    Their 20 megapixel? I already have 20 megapixel and I'm wanting more with better use.
    01-28-2015 09:19 AM
  18. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Your lack of business experience is showing again.

    OEMs will not come to a platform that has very little market share if they have to pay a fee on top of that. It makes more sense to go Android, which has royalty fees to MS as well, but Android is pretty much guaranteed to make a bigger profit than WP. Making it free and allowing existing hardware to run it helps bring in OEMs, and we saw this happen last year with a grip of new OEMs bringing out WP handsets.
    Lmao that is your go to excuse. It has nothing to do with lack of business sense. Considering there were more OEMs then releasing more phones and different variations. You can't just dismiss the last 4 years because it is now free.

    I'm curious to see what is going to happen. As it stands were a year in almost and nothing has happened except HTC released a flagship that is highly irrelevant and not something the majority windows phone owners want presently.

    Though I am curious to see what the excuse will be year end when the market share is the same. Since you guys tend to hang to the argument we need more OEMs to give people a choice so the os can grow argument.

    I'd love to be wrong. But we shall see.
    01-28-2015 09:22 AM
  19. STXVI's Avatar
    I was originally a Nokia fan boy that wasn't happy about the OS change, but I have been wooed by the live tiles. LOL. Nevertheless, I am interested in trying other OEMs with WP on it, but haven't because Nokia presents a better hardware experience. I got the L920 when it first came out so my upgrade was due this past November and I had to consider the M8, L830, and the L1520. I ended up staying with my L920 because the L830 is gimped already for future features, ATT gimped its version of the L1520, but the M8 because the camera was subpar to my L920 and it had no wireless charging. When it comes to WP offerings looks I still think that the best looking are the HTC 8S, L720, and L1520, but hardware is key. If I wasn't personally bound to my unlimited data plan I may have already gotten an ungimped L1520. To me that is the best hardware/software WP available right now...not hating HTC, but the M8 lacks some hardware that is important to me.
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    01-28-2015 09:23 AM
  20. nohra's Avatar
    I guess I don't see the bashing going on as much as mentioned above.

    I've seen the M8 in person and it does feel nice, and I love the idea of the front speakers, and having a duo camera would be nice, but for me it ends there. It would be a nice phone, but not at its price. I certainly am not a Nokia fanatic, because I didn't even know they were still around until I got my 920. But Nokias do tend to have the better cameras (which is a big selling point for me) along with usually having a camera button, and they are usually built like tanks. Plus personal experience: in my family we bought at the same time one HTC 8X and one Lumia 920. 1.5 years later, the 8X is having fits of shutting down, issues making calls, issues with keyboard responsiveness, issues with SIM card connection. On the other hand, the 920 is operating at the same level as when I bought it. Apart from a few scratches it could pass for new.

    Now of course, all Nokias are not tanks like the 920 was, and all HTCs are not faulty like the 8X was, but I think Nokia's quality has spoiled a lot of people. I would certainly consider an M8 if it were priced at the same level of the 830, or if it had a 1020-level camera and camera button if the overall user experience is that it's a solid phone. But as things are, I would likely go for the 830. Not because just because it's a Nokia, but because it's a Nokia/Microsoft and I know what those products tend to be like.
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    01-28-2015 09:29 AM
  21. fatclue_98's Avatar
    It's not just the Lumia crowd. The Android M8 gets dumped on too. It's the camera, pure and simple.
    01-28-2015 09:29 AM
  22. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    It's not just the Lumia crowd. The Android M8 gets dumped on too. It's the camera, pure and simple.
    It's not just the camera. The camera is the biggest thing. It's the phone itself compared to other competitors and its oem
    01-28-2015 09:38 AM
  23. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    Lmao that is your go to excuse. It has nothing to do with lack of business sense. Considering there were more OEMs then releasing more phones and different variations. You can't just dismiss the last 4 years because it is now free.

    I'm curious to see what is going to happen. As it stands were a year in almost and nothing has happened except HTC released a flagship that is highly irrelevant and not something the majority windows phone owners want presently.

    Though I am curious to see what the excuse will be year end when the market share is the same. Since you guys tend to hang to the argument we need more OEMs to give people a choice so the os can grow argument.

    I'd love to be wrong. But we shall see.
    There was more OEM activity since WP went free than the past years. Common sense needs to be used here.
    01-28-2015 09:42 AM
  24. rollindice's Avatar
    I love both companies ,I'd like to see more focus on Windows Phone bt HTC,one thing I like in particular about their phones is how well it feels in hand,wish I would get that feel with Lumias,on software side I prefer Lumia extras along with sms+call filtering in settings
    01-28-2015 09:47 AM
  25. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    There was more OEM activity since WP went free than the past years. Common sense needs to be used here.
    Then use it. There were more models in the wp7 and wp8 days than presently.
    01-28-2015 10:04 AM
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