10-17-2017 08:40 AM
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  1. daveb673's Avatar
    Had one random reboot today. Build 215 gave me 2. The apps do not seem as clunky as on 215. Screen rotation seems to work fine, or it did until this evening when Edge wouldn't rotate. Screen auto-bright is much better; it does flash bright in dark rooms/night, but not full bright and only for 1/2 second or so. I tested it by covering the IR sensor and front camera with my finger. Battery life seems good. Facebook loads a little better (always been slow since their update), market watch loaded fine, Windows Central loads fine, etc.
    Literally as I am writing this, the screen auto bright just went full max. And there is a light about 20feet away that is on...so back to manual. Covering the sensor changes nothing. Rebooting changes nothing.
    (edit) So it seems battery percent readings are wonky, or something is broke such that it took 25% to reboot the phone just now.
    06-10-2017 11:18 PM
  2. daveb673's Avatar
    Okay, it seems we are going in circles. My phone went back to the locked in landscape mode for texts and photos today. I already put my phone back to manual brightness, but it had a flare or two of max bright then back to the setting when I hit the power button. A reboot seems to have fixed that, at least for the moment.
    Photos had a squirrel-tron today. I took a few pictures of carpenter ant damage on my fence in the morning, and of a grey tree frog tonight, but didn't open photos until 30 minutes or so later. They wouldn't show up in photos, but if I went to camera, I could see them in the little square, and could tap it to see them and cycle through them, but it would not import them even when I returned to photos. I couldn't use the Windows Phone app to pull them off either. Not sure if that's due to the glitch or to Apple screwing up the sync process yet again. The reboot also remedied this. When I opened photos, it took a minute or two, but those photos I took today got pulled in.
    The reboot also showed about a 30% battery power drop afterwards.
    Was too busy today repairing the fence and painting a room to do much else.

    [edit] it seems build 15223 is available now.
    Last edited by daveb673; 06-13-2017 at 11:48 PM.
    06-13-2017 11:17 PM
  3. daveb673's Avatar
    Good news. Build 15223 has not had the dreaded rotation bug. Have not seen any of the bugs I saw in 15222 so far. Yea! Except for the screen auto-bright. Just checked for the battery % drop issue; went from 62% to 53% thru a reboot.
    [edit] There is one camera thing. It seems the camera doesn't rotate. To take a right-side up picture in landscape mode, you need to hold the phone with the htc and lower soft keys on the right, and the selfie camera on the left. Yeah, I know the soft keys will rotate, but the pictures show up upside down on my phone the other way.
    Last edited by daveb673; 06-16-2017 at 06:39 PM.
    06-16-2017 06:26 PM
  4. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    I hadn't been getting updates since 15063 but I liked it so didn't care but finally decided to join you guys and get caught back up. 735 settings didn't work so I changed by phone setting to your 950 settings instead, thanks for the info, and immediately started getting the 15223 update.........here we go.
    06-16-2017 09:51 PM
  5. daveb673's Avatar
    :-D Glad to help. Build 15223 is noticeably better that 15063.

    Dear Microsoft, if you are monitoring this thread, thanks for NOT shutting the door on those of us using the HTC One M8. We appreciate it. I'd really like for you all to formally recognize and support the M8, but as it is seems works for most of us... Think you all could see your way to WM10 on the new HTC U11??? Thanks.
    06-16-2017 10:45 PM
  6. Matthew Crawford's Avatar
    So far on 223 I got the same camera bugs. I also occasionally been getting media message issues also forcing me too reboot.
    06-16-2017 10:57 PM
  7. Matthew Crawford's Avatar
    I may be switching carriers soon. I'm not sure where to go. Preferably Microsoft friendly. Any suggestions here.
    06-19-2017 08:52 AM
  8. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    I am with Verizon and have been since they started. They are a bit expensive but have excellent coverage. However, they force the use of Backup Assistant Plus which doesn't work with Windows 10 and if fully installed will kill the battery in 3 hours with a battery so hot you can't hold the phone so I listed the work around during my original Windows 10 install then had to do a full reset to keep BAP at bay as much as possible. Therefore, if you are going to keep your Windows phone, I highly suggest you stay away from Verizon. I've Luved Verizon for years but have been going to change over the last year during this HTC issue but just haven't done it yet as a creature of habit which is why I'm still trying to make the HTC work. So, not advice for a good carrier but advice of one to stay away from.
    06-19-2017 12:00 PM
  9. Adam Skoog's Avatar
    @Wayne Weller I've had Verizon on every windows phone I've used and have never used Backup Assistant Plus. Honestly not sure what it does (guessing backs up the phone), but it certainly isn't something that is mandated by Verizon. I've always just removed it from the phone and never gave it a second thought. Your contacts are stored with your Microsoft account. The phone has a built in backup as well that is tied to your Microsoft account.
    06-19-2017 12:28 PM
  10. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    Nope. If you have Verizon you have BAP; it's a forced backup service though it does not work with Windows 10 (worked fine with Windows 8.1 as I used it then). But you're right, Windows users don't need it as we have Microsoft for backing up our phones automatically but I used it with W8.1 as a second backup. To find the App, check under settings/extras. However, as it's been noted throughout this string, DO NOT OPEN the BAP App. You will then have to do a phone hard reset and start over as it will start killing your battery. This has been my fight with Verizon and Microsoft for the last year as each blames the other for not being able to delete the App. BAP is the biggest background used of battery if you check your battery use by App even if you don't use it. If you have no or low BAP battery use, you've simply never fully installed the App. I'm told by Verizon and Microsoft that BAP can not be removed. I have to manually install Store updates to keep BAP from fully installing. If you know of a way to delete this App, PLEASE let me know.
    Last edited by Wayne Weiler; 06-19-2017 at 01:13 PM.
    06-19-2017 12:34 PM
  11. Adam Skoog's Avatar
    Don't know what to tell you. My M8 doesn't have it (I remember removing it) and I'm fairly certain I removed it from my Icon while I was using it as well. Not really sure why you can't. Anyway, we're kind of diverting from the topic anyway.
    06-19-2017 03:34 PM
  12. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    NO this is a very important topic for Verizon users; I would never think of leaving Verizon and highly recommend them if the BAP issue can be resolved. I assume you are on W10 probably 15063 or higher; if so, PLEASE go to settings/extras and look for Back Up Assistant Plus. On prior releases it was located under a different section. If you don't have BAP, I will call Verizon and ask how customers can have it yet the other Verizon users on this thread can't get rid of BAP and it hurts our battery life even when it's not being used because it runs in the back ground and can't be turned off under Back Ground Apps and under Apps, BAP "uninstall" is greyed out so it cannot be uninstalled. This is a major issue for use Verizon user so PLEASE check settings/extras to see if it's there just to appease my mind. THANKS
    06-19-2017 03:45 PM
  13. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    I just talked with Verizon Technical Support and they said ALL Verizon phones come with preinstalled BAP because that is how their phones backup to the Verizon Cloud. User can use the Option or not. They said if you don't have BAP on your phone, you mostly did not buy your phone from Verizon but instead just added Verizon service to an HTC phone you brought. If so, that is great news as I will just buy a non-Verizon HTC from Ebay and add Verizon service. So once again, PLEASE check your settings/extras to see if you have BAP there before I buy a non-Verizon HTC. THANKS....
    06-19-2017 04:14 PM
  14. Adam Skoog's Avatar
    Your right, I checked under extra and it's there. Didn't that used to be a regular app? Guess I've never enabled it.

    I don't mean that you shouldn't voice your concerns, but you are derailing the focus of the thread. Make a new one, preferably in the Verizon Carrier section of the forums since it pertains to all of Verizon. Like I said though, I've never used it, I've used the built in backup ever since Windows Phone 7 days....

    The chances of them bothering to fix an app on an OS they consider dead is not likely going to be worth their time. Good luck in your quest, but the market share for Windows Mobile in so tiny they aren't going to expend the resources.
    06-19-2017 05:16 PM
  15. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    You are incorrect. My original response was to Matthew Crawford. Check thread above. He asked for our input on Carriers as he is looking to change his Carrier. I simply said not to go with Verizon due to the BAP issue. If Verizon didn't force BAP on us, I'd highly suggest them to Matthew Crawford but since they do, I said stay away from Verizon if Matthew Crawford plans to stay with a Windows Phone......this info seams very relevant to this threat to me?? Am I missing something?
    06-19-2017 05:27 PM
  16. Matthew Crawford's Avatar
    I'm thinking at&t. And yes I also have BAP using 8% all in my background. I thought I didn't set it up after a hard reset a ways back. But maybe when I fixed the APN problems it got pushed back in. Or maybe it just still uses that much looking for an update or something. This damn phone taught me two things.... Bye bye ๐Ÿ™‹ Verizon. And HTC can rot in hell.๐Ÿ‘บ (liars)

    Thanks for you feedback guys
    06-19-2017 09:54 PM
  17. Adam Skoog's Avatar
    I wish I could ditch Verizon, but unfortunately I wouldn't have service if I did. My biggest gripe with the M8 is that sometimes it forgets the apn settings which needs a reboot to fix (it did this even on Windows 8.1). Hopefully you can find a carrier that works for you though. :) ATT is probably the most windows mobile friendly, but anything gsm and you should be able to use the "newer" phones.

    Back to the topic at hand: I haven't updated to the newer version (still on 15215.0) due to the camera issues mentioned above. I guess I'm thinking that unless there is something that comes in a new update that I really want, I'm at a good spot for this phone.
    06-20-2017 10:59 AM
  18. Matthew Crawford's Avatar
    Be warned. I recently went to the newest build 15223 (I think). I have now been getting some MMS issues again. Not sure why. I haven't really dug into it yet. I know a soft reset offers a temporary quick fix, but it eventually does it again.
    06-20-2017 07:49 PM
  19. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    I have the same problem. Also, camera selfee mode still causes an auto-reboot if opening the camera from the quick links on a locked screen but after reboot works until the next time. It usually works fine if unlocking the screen before opening the camera. This has been an issue for many past releases so odd it hasn't yet been fixed yet as I have told Insider after each release. Landscape seams to now be working correctly. My large BAP background battery use somehow came back so BAP is using 50%+ of my battery but not making the battery hot yet and only running in the Background no "in-use" battery use as the App is not fully installed? I may have to do a hard reset again to see if I can put BAP back in minimal background remission as it was running <1% in 15063
    06-20-2017 08:18 PM
  20. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    Oh ya for those Verizon users...when I talked to Verizon technical support yesterday about the BAP issue, after 30 minutes going through everything again and then him seeing the info on my account from previous calls, he said he thinks Verizon is probably purposely making sure BAP doesn't work with W10 and causing the battery problems as they want their customers to drop Windows and pick Android or IOS phones as they don't plan to keep/add any Windows phone in the future and obviously they don't like Windows as they only offer the one old Lumia 735 with Windows. I also just checked the At&t website and they now offer "no" Windows Phones; you'd have to bring your own. I think we are in a losing battle trying to stay with Windows.
    Last edited by Wayne Weiler; 06-20-2017 at 08:50 PM.
    06-20-2017 08:31 PM
  21. Matthew Crawford's Avatar
    Yup that's what I have been learning. You can't get a windows from anywhere but Microsoft. Or used somewhere.
    I think Microsoft wants the world to forget about it. Perfect there platform with surface and then everyone will go "did you here Microsoft makes cellphones" ... They want it to be fresh and cool.
    06-20-2017 11:39 PM
  22. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    The Windows Phone website has 5 phones but what use are they if Carries don't want to support them but are forced to. That means bad service and Verizon has their forced BAP issue. The new Surface Phone was supposed to be out already but I can't find any news on it now so I doubt they'll even finish it but that is what I have been waiting for or I would have switched to an Android a long time ago. If they do eventually release it, will any Carries even pick it up if they won't even offer current Lumias or other Windows Phones.
    06-20-2017 11:49 PM
  23. Adam Skoog's Avatar
    06-21-2017 01:46 PM
  24. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    yes, I got it. Will be evaluating over the next couple days
    06-21-2017 01:50 PM
  25. Matthew Crawford's Avatar
    15223 is now slow ring. So I'm gonna hang back and let Wayne take one for the team. Make sure you let us know Wayne. Thanks in advance. ๐Ÿ‘
    06-21-2017 09:42 PM
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