07-19-2012 08:52 PM
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  1. lippidp's Avatar
    Was I the only one underwhelmed with what iOS6 has in store? I see a big opportunity for Microsoft with WP8. I hope they nail it.
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    06-12-2012 12:51 AM
  2. vp710's Avatar
    06-12-2012 12:57 AM
  3. dannejanne's Avatar
    They are running out of ideas and it truly shows.
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    06-12-2012 02:39 AM
  4. kenzibit's Avatar
    Was I the only one underwhelmed with what iOS6 has in store? I see a big opportunity for Microsoft with WP8. I hope they nail it.
    You not the only one buddy. The OS is now on a plateau level and will be coming down very soon if they don't take care.
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    06-12-2012 04:29 AM
  5. kenzibit's Avatar
    They are running out of ideas and it truly shows.
    Yeah that's what I thought....but what if they are waiting for us....waiting for WP8.
    06-12-2012 04:30 AM
  6. mprice86's Avatar
    Was really underwhelmed by the whole of WWDC tbh. Everything they showed was just a new spec in old designs. Starting to look like old Jonny Ive couldn't take a **** without Steve's say so.

    As for iOS, unless they're hiding a bunch of features (which seems doubtful given the beta being out)then both Microsoft and Google must be rubbing their hands together. Very disappointing additions and I'm amazed that an OS update is required to add features to Siri; shouldn't that be something that is improved constantly in the background?

    A lot of people in the Engadget comments seemed annoyed that there was no UI change and no widgets added and even their writers didn't seem too impressed with the maps stuff or the changes to photostream.

    Despite knowing that I will never buy an iPhone or an iMac or any other Apple product after the original iPad, I always look forward to these (and any tech conference) to see what is coming in future. All in all though i thought this was a massive let down, especially after some of the amazing stuff shown at Computex.
    06-12-2012 04:45 AM
  7. theefman's Avatar
    You can rag on ios6 but MS has to step up themselves. Bringing Bing maps to all WP regions, providing a backup solution, improving notifications - these need to be addressed before saying more successful competitors are boring or not innovating. I'd rather MS see WP dominate because its actually better than because apple have no ideas.
    06-12-2012 06:30 AM
  8. AngryNil's Avatar
    I hold Apple and Tim Cook in high esteem, but it seems they really dropped the ball this year. Make no mistake - it was by no means a bad event. They unveiled a tonne of new hardware and there were heaps of very useful software evolutions. But I really wanted a hard hitter to come out of it that I could be truly wowed by, and for the second time in a row I was disappointed (first being the 4S announcement, where I foolishly stayed up until 3am to read the liveblogs). While the new hardware and software may be enough to keep someone in the ecosystem, they aren't enough to make me jump ship.
    06-12-2012 06:34 AM
  9. lippidp's Avatar
    You can rag on ios6 but MS has to step up themselves. Bringing Bing maps to all WP regions, providing a backup solution, improving notifications - these need to be addressed before saying more successful competitors are boring or not innovating. I'd rather MS see WP dominate because its actually better than because apple have no ideas.
    Yes, of course. That's what I meant by, "I hope they nail it." If MS doesn't bring anything special to the table then they're going to stay at 2%. I think most of us assume that all the holes that are currently present will be filled in. If that's not the case they are doomed.
    06-12-2012 08:32 AM
  10. bear_lx's Avatar
    we say this every year... and for some unknown reason people still cant wait to get the next iphone, or the latest ipad.... every kid wants and ipod for christmas... ect....

    its branding, and something apple does extremely well...

    that being said, i would never want another one... they are completely over priced, over hyped, fragile pieces of $h*t in my opinion.

    cant wait for apollo... :P
    06-12-2012 09:06 AM
  11. selfcreation's Avatar
    wow i just read trough the features and apple is really running out of ideas...

    - enhancement to siri... (useless)
    - new map system ( not Google map ) will see how this goes..
    - a place to hold your tickets? (passbook) ROLF ...
    - game challenges? a rip off of achievements?
    - and a copy of WP find my phone feature... lol
    - FB integration.... about time? lol

    every thign else is basically not worth talking about ... :giggle:

    WP8 better Take advantage of this!!! and so far from what im expecting and seeing from reading up on WP8/W8+Xbox..... wp8 WILL KILL the Iphone.....


    we say this every year... and for some unknown reason people still cant wait to get the next iphone, or the latest ipad.... every kid wants and ipod for Christmas... ect...
    I think with the lack of innovation apple is coming out with we are gona start to see less people with a Iphone on the Xmas wish list :P lol
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    06-12-2012 09:20 AM
  12. bigkevbosky's Avatar
    I dunno - I really like some of the stuff the new iOS offers. One thing that people with kids understand - when you let your kid play with your iPad or iPhone, they sometimes do get into settings you don't want them to. I like that the new iOS will let you restrict certain actions in an app. I think that's a new feature that hasn't been talked about much.

    I have an iPad 2 and my wife has an iPhone 4S - we both are appreciative of a lot of the new features iOS6 is going to add. I don't think Apple adding features is something to scoff at - the more features they add means the more Microsoft and Google have to step up their operating systems. And that's good for us.

    I won't be switching to an iPhone just because of iOS6, but Microsoft had better blow us away with WP8, or all the "eye rolling" that fanboys are throwing Apple's way will soon be shifting towards Windows.
    06-12-2012 09:47 AM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    They are running out of ideas and it truly shows.
    They're resorting to stealing ideas and trying to pass them off as their own. For example, now you will be able to send a text to a caller from the call screen and let the caller know that you're busy, will call them back, etc. Isn't that a wonderful new feature. Too bad Palm Treos had them as far back as '05. In fact, all Palm OS phones had it. I hope Access sues the daylights out of Apple and gives them a taste of their own medicine.
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    06-12-2012 09:54 AM
  14. sinime's Avatar
    The only thing I think was good, is the Facebook integration. It Just easier then having to go into FB to post a pic. That's 1 of the features my wife and I miss from webOS and WP7. We are waiting for WP8 to jump back to WP and ditch iOS.
    06-12-2012 10:22 AM
  15. squire777's Avatar
    Apple has always been passing off mediocre ideas as being great, or "magical" and the mainstream media (who don't know much about tech) lap it up thinking they were the first to come out with it.

    Ever since Cook took over they have been lagging, using others' ideas, or coming out with minor tweaks to show how advanced they are (new ipad with higher resolution...).

    Imagine if MS or another company came out with such bland new products as Apple - they would get destroyed by the media.
    Last edited by squire777; 06-12-2012 at 10:41 AM.
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    06-12-2012 10:31 AM
  16. massifheed's Avatar
    wp8 WILL KILL the Iphone.....
    I think we have to be realistic and say that this will never happen. There may come a point where MS is believed to have the better OS in every respect amongst the tech community, but it's irrelevent when the overwhelming majority of iOS device owners bought their devices because it's made by Apple, not because of what it's capable of.

    Personally, I already think that WP hands iOS a good beating (apart from the app side of things). But, if we're talking about market share, then - for the masses - it's marketing that shifts units. Right now Apple could take a turd, stick a logo on it and it would sell in the millions. You only have to look back at the features the iPhone was lacking when it was first launched, but people still went nuts over it.

    MS has never had that hype, and I think it never will. You can win the tech-savvy over by giving them the things they respect (slick UI, good app support, solid hardware), but to win the general public over you're gonna need to make WP as "must have" as Apple stuff is. That's the bit I just don't think MS gets. If they are happy peaking at, say, 10% market share in a few years time then fair enough. But if they are planning on taking the top spot then they need to win the battle for the hearts and minds of the general public.
    06-12-2012 10:40 AM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I think we have to be realistic and say that this will never happen. There may come a point where MS is believed to have the better OS in every respect amongst the tech community, but it's irrelevent when the overwhelming majority of iOS device owners bought their devices because it's made by Apple, not because of what it's capable of.

    Personally, I already think that WP hands iOS a good beating (apart from the app side of things). But, if we're talking about market share, then - for the masses - it's marketing that shifts units. Right now Apple could take a turd, stick a logo on it and it would sell in the millions. You only have to look back at the features the iPhone was lacking when it was first launched, but people still went nuts over it.

    MS has never had that hype, and I think it never will. You can win the tech-savvy over by giving them the things they respect (slick UI, good app support, solid hardware), but to win the general public over you're gonna need to make WP as "must have" as Apple stuff is. That's the bit I just don't think MS gets. If they are happy peaking at, say, 10% market share in a few years time then fair enough. But if they are planning on taking the top spot then they need to win the battle for the hearts and minds of the general public.
    It's going to take one massive Jedi mind trick to get the sheeple to look at anything that's not Apple.
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    06-12-2012 10:48 AM
  18. massifheed's Avatar
    It's going to take one massive Jedi mind trick to get the sheeple to look at anything that's not Apple.
    That's my concern.
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    06-12-2012 10:56 AM
  19. lippidp's Avatar
    That's my concern.
    I think Apple will fall. Sure, the fanboys will stay no matter what, but if WP8 is comparable or better the masses will see that a) they have many hardware choices, not just one, and b) WP8 phones and accessories will be less expensive. Apple will never relinquish control or lower their prices in order to compete, and that ultimately will be their downfall as it was in the 80s.
    06-12-2012 11:12 AM
  20. massifheed's Avatar
    ...if WP8 is comparable or better the masses will see that...
    I think the problem is that the masses don't care if other stuff is better. They just want an iPhone.
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    06-12-2012 11:15 AM
  21. squire777's Avatar
    Every company has its time in the limelight at the top, and eventually comes down to be replaced by another company. Apple will lose its luster, it's just a matter of when.

    I'm already seeing some resentment from the general public towards Apple so that's a good sign.
    06-12-2012 11:19 AM
  22. sinime's Avatar
    It's going to take one massive Jedi mind trick to get the sheeple to look at anything that's not Apple.
    Jedi mind trick indeed. I can't tell you how often people say they hate WP7 because of the POS windows mobile phone they used to have. I keep telling them WP7 is nothing like the old windows mobile, but they just don't seem to get it.
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    06-12-2012 11:43 AM
  23. foosball's Avatar
    Jedi mind trick indeed. I can't tell you how often people say they hate WP7 because of the POS windows mobile phone they used to have. I keep telling them WP7 is nothing like the old windows mobile, but they just don't seem to get it.
    We must be running into the same people. Another few years and we should have cycled thru this but it will persist until the Windows 8 campaign creates a new perception and the 3 screen strategy pays off.
    06-12-2012 12:04 PM
  24. Old_Cus's Avatar
    I look at Apple differently. They are masters at marketing and giving their customers just enough....each year they release just enough to keep interest going.

    This year Apple doesn't have to impress the public with iOS6 because they will be releasing a redesigned iphone5 and that will be enough to keep the masses buzzing.

    Next year their iOS7 will be the buzz.

    As said before, this is the year for WP to take off with WP8.
    06-12-2012 12:47 PM
  25. bigkevbosky's Avatar
    I look at Apple differently. They are masters at marketing and giving their customers just enough....each year they release just enough to keep interest going.

    This year Apple doesn't have to impress the public with iOS6 because they will be releasing a redesigned iphone5 and that will be enough to keep the masses buzzing.

    Next year their iOS7 will be the buzz.

    As said before, this is the year for WP to take off with WP8.
    I agree - and I don't really bash them because they're making incremental changes to a platform that works well, is clearly "in the lead" money-wise, and has a loyal fanbase. They wouldn't have to do much of anything, and they'd retain most consumers who are loyal to them - but then they might fall into the problem that RIM has fallen into.

    I don't have a problem with Apple - but maybe that's because I own Apple products and generally enjoy the experience. I just think, right now, Microsoft is doing it better on the mobile end of things, and they may be doing better on the desktop/tablet side of things as well - time will tell on that one.
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    06-12-2012 01:52 PM
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