10-06-2012 02:05 AM
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  1. independentvolume's Avatar
    One of my clients is a marketing professor, and we were talking the latest iPhone buzz. She said Apple is in danger of becoming uncool because it is so mainstream.

    "it is the safe device that even a 52-year-old can easily use. My generation has gravitated to it because it's easy to use. So if 50 year olds use it, how can it still be cool/hip?"

    She also said Nokia may have a shot in spite of the "release" a couple weeks back. Primarily because now there's a cool alternative to having the same phone as your parents, aunts/uncles and grandparents.
    Well, I'm glad she's a client and not your professor. I would drop that class after such foolery.
    09-18-2012 12:35 PM
  2. crystal_planet's Avatar
    I guess it's pretty hip to be part of the uncool crowd eh?
    It's a societal thing. If you look around and see nothing but the same phone, it starts to lose its cache - why do you think folks are so hot to upgrade to an iPhone 5 in many cases? Do you really think that a 4S user is in need of that extra half inch of screen size? Is his experience so flawed he needs the upgrade?

    No. He sees everyone has the same phone as him and he wants to be elevated above them. And when iPhone 6 comes out - rinse and repeat.

    Don't tell me that the 5 is lightyears ahead of the 4S because it's not.
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    09-18-2012 12:37 PM
  3. Big Supes's Avatar
    Do the same thing with the Lumia 920 and it's not going to get 2 million pre-orders... It fun saying that we like WP8, but saying that the iPhone is not cool anymore, when I hear people talking about it everyday and people are anxious to get one... Here in Canada, nobody is talking about the Lumia 920... except me..
    It may not sell 2 mil, but if carriers got behind WP (year upon year) like they have the iPhone, I can guarantee you that it wouldn't sell 2 million; it would sell more.

    I think the bottom-line here is that numbers don't equate to how much 'cool-ness' a device has. In this context, I see the iPhone very much as the Burberry of smartphones. Sure, it sells like hotcakes, but just look at the people who buy this stuff. . .
    09-18-2012 12:39 PM
  4. crystal_planet's Avatar
    What are you talking about... bell don't have any windows phone, but other carriers had the lumias and titan II
    I meant in the wild.
    09-18-2012 12:39 PM
  5. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    That's such a ton of crap that I'm surprised that your keyboard doesn't ... whatever.

    If you think that many people are worried over such social status that a phone can bring them, I think you're wrong.

    Many people upgraded from the 800 to the 900 for the extra screen real estate and didn't gain nothing "light years" ahead.

    Please show me a phone that is "light years" ahead of the last. And if you say the 920 is light years ahead of the 900 or the 800, then you need to grab a thesaurus.
    It's a societal thing. If you look around and see nothing but the same phone, it starts to lose its cache - why do you think folks are so hot to upgrade to an iPhone 5 in many cases? Do you really think that a 4S user is in need of that extra half inch of screen size? Is his experience so flawed he needs the upgrade?

    No. He sees everyone has the same phone as him and he wants to be elevated above them. And when iPhone 6 comes out - rinse and repeat.

    Don't tell me that the 5 is lightyears ahead of the 4S because it's not.
    Last edited by 1jaxstate1; 09-18-2012 at 02:52 PM.
    09-18-2012 02:39 PM
  6. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Strange, I haven't received one text or email from AT&T about an iPhone. I have two accounts, a premier account and a regular account. My brother is on Verizon and says he hasn't seen anything about an iPhone. Strange.
    Do the same thing with the Lumia 920 and it's not going to get 2 million pre-orders... It fun saying that we like WP8, but saying that the iPhone is not cool anymore, when I hear people talking about it everyday and people are anxious to get one... Here in Canada, nobody is talking about the Lumia 920... except me..
    09-18-2012 02:41 PM
  7. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Damn, at 56 am I going to be delegated to only being able to buy a Cricket, so I can press the single button and say, "I've fallen and I can't get up". Really now.

    I will admit that I know quite a few 50 something's that are total technology noobs, and yes, they do own iPhones (and don't know how to use them aside from making/receiving calls). "It just works" is more important than you may think.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    Jitterbug for you old man! Don't feel too bad, I'm 47 and I don't feel over the hill. If MS can make an OS for an elegant phone like the DVP for the enterprise crowd and the Cyan 900 for the hipsters, there's no need to worry about the "cool" factor. iPhone is a one size fits all phone/OS, no way to differentiate. I'd call that putting all your eggs in one basket.
    09-18-2012 02:49 PM
  8. selfcreation's Avatar
    What are you talking about... bell don't have any windows phone, but other carriers had the lumias and titan II
    bell had the HTC HD7 and LG optimums quantum.

    they BARELY sold any and then the phone was removed from the Order site 6-8 months after release. ( not befor they where FREE on 1 year terms with NO data plan... and still dint sale)

    and ive seen allot of people in Montreal with WP.
    09-18-2012 02:54 PM
  9. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    bell had the HTC HD7 and LG optimums quantum.

    they BARELY sold any and then the phone was removed from the Order site 6-8 months after release. ( not befor they where FREE on 1 year terms with NO data plan... and still dint sale)

    and ive seen allot of people in Montreal with WP.
    I had the HD7... overall it was not so great... I understand why people didn't rush to get one hahaha
    09-18-2012 03:07 PM
  10. selfcreation's Avatar
    lol , I had them both and returned , went to Rogers and got the Focus ( and I worked for bell ROLF )
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    09-18-2012 03:14 PM
  11. v10type-r's Avatar
    Did anyone expect Apple to not sell over 10 million iPhone 5s?

    The people who point out this fact forget to realize that there are already 10 million plus iSheep that are loyal to their products or are too scared to leave all the $ they invested on apps/music/etc on their iPhones and just ditch it all for a new platform.

    If the iPhone 5 starts to take over more actual marketshare than they currently own by obtaining "new" users then that's a more relevant topic of discussion. I don't hear a lot of Android and WP users switching to Apple after the launch, what I DO hear is more iPhone users switching to Android and WP after the disappointing launch.

    Now to me this is a WAY more important bit of information than 2 million pre-orders sold.
    Last edited by v10type-r; 09-18-2012 at 04:20 PM.
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    09-18-2012 03:56 PM
  12. tk-093's Avatar
    That's a good point. I wonder how many iPhone pre-orders are new users or existing iPhone users. I'm thinking there are a lot of Verizon users who are new iPhone users though. Verizon is already 3 weeks backordered. The orginal Verizon iPhone 4 came out in February so that makes pretty much every single Verizon iPhone still under contract, so either a bunch of people are (1) paying extra to upgrade or (2) coming from another carrier, or (3) dumbphone or Android/Blackberry converts.

    I can't even venture a guess, but it will be interesting to know.


    Did anyone expect Apple to not sell over 10 million iPhone 5s?

    The people who point out this fact forget to realize that there are already 10 million plus iSheep that are loyal to their products or are too scared to leave all the $ they invested on apps/music/etc on their iPhones and just ditch it all for a new platform.

    If the iPhone 5 starts to take over more actual marketshare than they currently own by obtaining "new" users then that's a more relevant topic of discussion. I don't hear a lot of Android and WP users switching to Apple after the launch, what I DO hear is more iPhone users switching to Android and WP after the disappointing launch.

    Now to me this is a WAY more important bit of information than 2 million pre-orders sold.
    09-18-2012 04:35 PM
  13. palandri's Avatar
    Did anyone expect Apple to not sell over 10 million iPhone 5s? ....
    They sold 40+ million of the last iPhone and are expecting to sell 50+ million of the iPhone 5. Time will tell.
    09-18-2012 04:58 PM
  14. v10type-r's Avatar
    They sold 40+ million of the last iPhone and are expecting to sell 50+ million of the iPhone 5. Time will tell.
    Sorry, I meant as in 10 million plus for the first month or whatever the "anal-ysts" are predicting. I am sure they will sell more than the previous generation as Apple is still trying to enter into new markets around the world and a lot of the 2-3 yr contract ppl who are Apple owners are due for an upgrade.

    I would expect more iPhone 3G, 3GS and 4 owners who are loyal to Apple to upgrade to the iPhone 5 which would show a boosted increase in sales.

    What I would like to see is how many new users are actually going to an iPhone over their current non-iPhone or for their first phone.

    I think iPhone is no longer the "cool" device as it once was. Android shows more innovation and advancement in the industry and Nokia has also impressed a lot of the younger generation of ppl and is also taking a run a the corporate enterprise end.

    Heck there's already news of the Galaxy S4 for early next year!

    It will be interesting to see what happens. I may have to hold out for the ATIV-S2 or the 930 lol
    Last edited by v10type-r; 09-18-2012 at 05:28 PM.
    09-18-2012 05:22 PM
  15. crystal_planet's Avatar
    That's such a ton of crap that I'm surprised that your keyboard doesn't ... whatever.

    If you think that many people are worried over such social status that a phone can bring them, I think you're wrong.

    Many people upgraded from the 800 to the 900 for the extra screen real estate and didn't gain nothing "light years" ahead.

    Please show me a phone that is "light years" ahead of the last. And if you say the 920 is light years ahead of the 900 or the 800, then you need to grab a thesaurus.
    First how many people went from an 800 to a 900 for the extra .5 of an inch for extra real estate? How many went from an 800 to a 900, period?

    Second if you think people upgrade their phones before they need to out of necessity, you're deluding yourself. There is no phone that is "lightyears better" than the one before - that was my point.

    Do you actually think the experience from a 4S to a 5 will be that rewarding? Really?

    **Sent from my Windows Phone using Board Express**
    Last edited by crystal_planet; 09-18-2012 at 05:35 PM.
    09-18-2012 05:27 PM
  16. palandri's Avatar
    Sorry, I meant as in 10 million plus for the first month or whatever the "anal-ysts" are predicting. I am sure they will sell more than the previous generation as Apple is still trying to enter into new markets around the world and a lot of the 2-3 yr contract ppl who are Apple owners are due for an upgrade.

    I would expect more iPhone 3G, 3GS and 4 owners who are loyal to Apple to upgrade to the iPhone 5 which would show a boosted increase in sales.

    What I would like to see is how many new users are actually going to an iPhone over their currently phone or for their first phone.

    I think iPhone is no longer the "cool" device as it once was. Android shows more innovation and advancement in the industry and Nokia has also impressed a lot of the younger generation of ppl and is also taking a run a the corporate enterprise end.

    It will be interesting to see what happens.
    I am wondering if they will sell 50+ million, since there are so many alternatives out there. Like you said, it will be interesting to see what happens.
    09-18-2012 05:29 PM
  17. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I went from a focus to a 900 strickly for the larger screen. They both do the exact same thing.

    I don't think ANYONE is upgrading out of necessity. Not on Android, WP, or iOS. A smartphone isn't a necessity PERIOD.

    I don't know, I only had a iP4, I can't say what it will be like going from a 4S to a 5.


    First how many people went from an 800 to a 900 for the extra .5 of an inch for extra real estate? How many went from an 800 to a 900, period?

    Second if you think people upgrade their phones before they need to out of necessity, you're deluding yourself.

    Do you actually think the move from a 4S to a 5 will be that rewarding? Really?

    **Sent from my Windows Phone using Board Express**
    09-18-2012 05:32 PM
  18. v10type-r's Avatar
    I went from a focus to a 900 strickly for the larger screen. They both do the exact same thing.

    I don't think ANYONE is upgrading out of necessity. Not on Android, WP, or iOS. A smartphone isn't a necessity PERIOD.

    I don't know, I only had a iP4, I can't say what it will be like going from a 4S to a 5.
    I too went from a Focus to an L900. I did it more for the larger screen, faster processor and the most obvious reason was for the LTE since I have it in my area. I actually did a side by side comparison of loading PvZ and my L900 actually loaded it up 9 seconds faster.. that's pretty good and has saved me a ton of time over the past 6 months :D

    I would say 50% of ppl who upgrade do it out of want, the ppl who have to have the next new thing even if that means paying a premium.

    30% upgrade cause they have the ability to and have the upgrade credit or their contract is due for renewal.

    The other 20% fell out of my thoughts and I couldn't care less to think about it at the moment lol..
    09-18-2012 05:37 PM
  19. v10type-r's Avatar
    I am wondering if they will sell 50+ million, since there are so many alternatives out there. Like you said, it will be interesting to see what happens.
    I am sure they will sell +50 million of them. They are entering new markets which will it will sell in. Have to consider the 17% market share that iPhone has must equal in the 100s of millions and they only launch 1 device a year.

    If you polled all the WP users, I bet over 50% of them will be going with a new WP device in the next year and if there were 400 million WP users, that equates to 200 million units sold.

    Unfortunately, those #s are a dream for us and we are still a flea on the map... but a flea who's bite draws blood! :ninja:
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    09-18-2012 05:43 PM
  20. v10type-r's Avatar
    Do the same thing with the Lumia 920 and it's not going to get 2 million pre-orders... It fun saying that we like WP8, but saying that the iPhone is not cool anymore, when I hear people talking about it everyday and people are anxious to get one... Here in Canada, nobody is talking about the Lumia 920... except me..
    I like the 920!! :P

    Canadians are unfortunately all about "Apple" as tho its the next big thing, I have too many friends with Apple devices who have given me a hard time the past couple of years about my WP. Yet, they really haven't had an argument as to why their phone is so much better.

    Much to do with this is due to the carriers and marketing support for the iPhone. I've always been driven to be different and think outside the box. Which is why I never drank the juice.

    But over the past year, I have noticed a lot of my friends have switched to Android, and its about 50/50. I don't really have any friends that own a WP, just my family that own WPhones.

    But I love my WP, and I see a trend starting. If the US and the rest of the world accept the new Lumia 920 and sales start to increase and WP enters the corporate areas we might actually see some change. Some much needed change. I'm tired of seeing Crapple and so many ppl here following the followers.. its so boring.

    But it almost makes me not want them to change cause its my beautiful little gem that is all mine... that I can keep to myself... its.. its.. my PRECIOUS... mmmmm... hahaha
    09-18-2012 05:54 PM
  21. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Do the same thing with the Lumia 920 and it's not going to get 2 million pre-orders... It fun saying that we like WP8, but saying that the iPhone is not cool anymore, when I hear people talking about it everyday and people are anxious to get one... Here in Canada, nobody is talking about the Lumia 920... except me..
    You must not be reading mobilesyrup.com cuz every article about the iPhone 5 has commenters referring to their plans to buy a 920 instead, and they're getting UPVOTED.
    09-18-2012 09:23 PM
  22. WasteSomeTime's Avatar
    What is so great about it. There are phones with better specs out there. The majority of the people around home prefer a larger screen and 4 inches doesn't safice. Those 2 million pre orders are from those die hard apple fans. There is nothing ground breaking about the device. Apple is not pushing any innovations.

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    09-18-2012 10:26 PM
  23. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I just read their review roundup. I haven't seen one that says not to get this phone.
    You must not be reading mobilesyrup.com cuz every article about the iPhone 5 has commenters referring to their plans to buy a 920 instead, and they're getting UPVOTED.
    09-18-2012 10:33 PM
  24. TrophyNostalgia's Avatar
    One of my clients is a marketing professor, and we were talking the latest iPhone buzz. She said Apple is in danger of becoming uncool because it is so mainstream.

    "it is the safe device that even a 52-year-old can easily use. My generation has gravitated to it because it's easy to use. So if 50 year olds use it, how can it still be cool/hip?"

    She also said Nokia may have a shot in spite of the "release" a couple weeks back. Primarily because now there's a cool alternative to having the same phone as your parents, aunts/uncles and grandparents.
    I disagree that the iPhone is easy to use. My first smartphone was a Windows Phone 7. However I have fiddled around with various iPhones and Androids and I never found them straightforward.

    I work as an IT Tech assistant and the fact that I find the Iphone system navigation overly complicated is a sad testament to why so many people would force themselves to learn a device simply because it is "cool" even though it is difficult to use. (I mean comparatively). My roommate was having some issues connecting to wireless networks with his iPhone 4 and so I examined his settings, and made connections to get it to work for him. What takes 3 clicks on my Windows Phone, took about 6 clicks and setting changes to make the network work on his iPhone 4. (That's not even including the monotonous navigation time.) I then even had to verify that it properly connected to the network because his gmail couldn't properly connect. That resulted in additional setting changes.

    Later I was showing him how I did some things on my Windows Phone and he was extremely impressed and a few days after said he couldn't wait to get the iPhone 5 because it was a "major" improvement. I then proceeded to explain that in reality the iPhone is almost the worst competitor (in terms of specs) on almost every account when compared to its competitors. He thought I was joking...
    09-18-2012 11:48 PM
  25. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    I just read their review roundup. I haven't seen one that says not to get this phone.
    What phone were you referring to when you said "this?"
    09-19-2012 12:05 AM
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