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  1. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Microsoft believes that the Macbook Air is an (inferior) alternative.
    Indeed, the Macbook Air is an inferior alternative. So is the iPad. The Surface Pro 3 can't be analyzed in terms of price parity with an Apple alternative because there is no Apple alternative.
    06-03-2014 04:17 PM
  2. k0de's Avatar
    Microsoft is seldom original. They take other ideas and drastically improve upon them.
    Is that not the trademark of an inventor? Why recreate the wheel if you can improve it?

    For example Fishing Rods have evolved drastically compared to their original creators. And so on..... Oops etc, etc....
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    06-03-2014 04:29 PM
  3. twint7787's Avatar
    MS continues to crawl as it always has when it comes to listening to customer wishes and then applying them.
    Am I the only one who finds it curious that only WPC and Crackberry members are the ones gnashing their teeth about this. I'm getting the impression that people are more or less taking the stance that iOS showing an upside just peeves them off about their own OS of choice and are bashing it to downplay it.
    I edited your post a little bit but yes, this is exactly why some of us are giving this so much attention. I want MS to move faster. Period. I still don't see why people are bashing this update to IOS. I never said, nor did anyone else in this thread say it was revolutionary, but it really makes their entire ecosystem very attractive. I think some people here are a little too emotionally connected to MS and Apple as companies.
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    06-03-2014 04:50 PM
  4. TheMightyCraken's Avatar
    I just watched the presentation for IOS 8. Those that believe that IOS 8 brings nothing to the table are not being truthful. IOS 8 brings tons. More than I've ever seen in any other package and this package will be a FREE upgrade. Google I/O is a joke by comparison.
    Well also considering that Microsoft is also releasing Windows Phone 8.1 for free and brings tons of cool new features that even Apple didn't have time to bake into their new iOS...I also think that Swift is a complete waste of time...
    06-03-2014 05:30 PM
  5. SchlepNT's Avatar
    The Surface Pro 3 isn't overpriced for what it is. The $999 model compares very favorably with the 13" MacBook Air: much better resolution, considerably lighter (1.76 lbs vs. 2.96 lbs), a touch screen with pen input, about half as thick, and comes with Windows installed. I mention the last one, because no matter how many times I see Macs used in business, they're almost always running Windows which means additional cost. To me, it negates all this, "b-b-but $130 keyboard!" nonsense people are throwing out.

    Microsoft's message isn't that the SP3 is better than a MacBook Air, though. Their message is that Surface is better than carrying around a MBA+iPad everywhere, and also has some unique features like pen input that set it apart.

    If you really do spend most of your time with the laptop on your lap, then there are better options out there. I can't imagine those options being Apple, though, unless something is changed. I owned a PowerBook G4 (OG), the Aluminum PowerBook G4, and a 15" MacBook Pro. Any one of them could burn off the short and curlies in a matter of seconds.
    06-03-2014 05:46 PM
  6. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Yes, the Surface series is over priced, I can get another brand PC with the same specs for cheaper, Or a $300 laptop that will run Office and browse the web, can't do that with apple and chromebooks aren't as versatile. People like to argue dumb points that aren't valid all the time, but bottom line for me is PC's give me better value for my money, and I probably wont be buying a Surface any time soon.
    And to add to this the one thing people tend to forget is all windows 8.1 products run apps whether they're touch screens or not.
    06-03-2014 06:24 PM
  7. TheMightyCraken's Avatar
    You can use an iPhone with Windows though. I know several people at my college who have iPhones with Windows laptops.

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    Obviously you can, but the point is its that to use most of the "cool" new features hot need to be fully submerged in the Apple platform
    06-03-2014 07:44 PM
  8. SwimSwim's Avatar
    ios 8 = ios 7 + health stuff and some minor stuff which android, wp , BB have enjoyed since atleast 2 years but were waiting for apple to invent the new features and be called revolutionary
    i dont see any reason why ios 8 is even called the next version of ios, it doesnt have any new features as such and might as well have been an updated ios 7.1.x or something instead of 8
    every other mobile os gets major changes every update(wp,android,BB10 and even the aging and old- BBos and symbian)
    ios on the other hand has gone the other way after ios 7, design is kiddish and unoriginal-they should have given an option of themes and fonts instead , even wp has more customisation in that aspect(dark and white background,wallpaper,colour schemes etc)
    ios is a great os no doubt,dont get me wrong, but ios 7 and 8 are real letdowns for an apple lover like me, i love my idevices but only one of my ipads is on ,7 others are jailbroken on 6.1.3 and 6.1.2
    wp8.1 has already gotten soo much criticism and hate for a few things despite bringing alot of new things to the table if not late but ios 8 ,despite not getting any major updates is still not scrutinized

    ps- taking calls with a mac etc have been inbuilt-features for windows and windows phone as well, just try pairing wp8.1 to windows 8/8.1 and see, you can even make calls etc from there
    Oh my god... There's so much wrong here... I don't even know where to begin...
    06-03-2014 07:49 PM
  9. SwimSwim's Avatar
    We're getting off topic. IOS 8 is pretty lackluster. That's all.
    How so? While I'm not an iOS fan (the design is pretty ugly, IMO. While iOS 7 was a big improvement and movement towards modern design: the colors are still UAF): Only a fool could say that iOS 8 isn't a huge, massive update.

    I'm genuinely impressed with how much Apple has improved and added in a one year time-frame, and while I'll be sticking with Microsoft for now: Their very sluggish update schedule for Windows Phone stings even more now. Desktop Windows receives pretty regular updates, so I'm not complaining there. But Windows Phone? Always lowest priority: even for Microsoft.

    Again, I'll remain a loyal Microsoft user for now, but iOS 8 does have me aching for some of the features introduced. While I'm very impressed with the turnaround Microsoft has been showing lately: They still can't seem to get mobile right. Improving? Yes. Are they there yet? Far from it.
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    06-03-2014 07:55 PM
  10. MyNL822's Avatar
    iOS 8 is good, I'm not unimpressed, its just I don't appeal to many of the features, it doesn't seem as big as iOS 7. But, I love the quick reply and the quick access parts of the update, that is great. Didn't they have quick reply planned for us in a leak? What happened to it?
    06-03-2014 07:58 PM
  11. SwimSwim's Avatar
    I edited your post a little bit but yes, this is exactly why some of us are giving this so much attention. I want MS to move faster. Period. I still don't see why people are bashing this update to IOS. I never said, nor did anyone else in this thread say it was revolutionary, but it really makes their entire ecosystem very attractive. I think some people here are a little too emotionally connected to MS and Apple as companies.
    Very true. Many take their technology too heart, and it basically becomes a biggest ***** contest. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it's true: that's how I see this whole thread.

    So because Apple made some improvements: Microsoft-fans feel inadequate and are getting highly defensive. I've said this several times: But you're a fool if you don't beleive iOS 8 is a significant update with lots of new features in tow.
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    06-03-2014 08:01 PM
  12. MyNL822's Avatar
    The Surface Pro 3 isn't overpriced for what it is. The $999 model compares very favorably with the 13" MacBook Air: much better resolution, considerably lighter (1.76 lbs vs. 2.96 lbs), a touch screen with pen input, about half as thick, and comes with Windows installed. I mention the last one, because no matter how many times I see Macs used in business, they're almost always running Windows which means additional cost. To me, it negates all this, "b-b-but $130 keyboard!" nonsense people are throwing out.

    Microsoft's message isn't that the SP3 is better than a MacBook Air, though. Their message is that Surface is better than carrying around a MBA+iPad everywhere, and also has some unique features like pen input that set it apart.

    If you really do spend most of your time with the laptop on your lap, then there are better options out there. I can't imagine those options being Apple, though, unless something is changed. I owned a PowerBook G4 (OG), the Aluminum PowerBook G4, and a 15" MacBook Pro. Any one of them could burn off the short and curlies in a matter of seconds.
    Well that's a little off-topic, mmkay. Lets get back to iOS 8 mmkay.
    06-03-2014 08:01 PM
  13. ajayden's Avatar
    The iOS 8 announcement was cool. I only wonder.....from version 1 to version 7, all iPhones have horrible battery life and will adding more features worsen it?

    What is the use of having so many features when your phone cannot be used for a decent time (forget about competing with battery life of Lumia's) in a single charge.?
    06-03-2014 08:01 PM
  14. SwimSwim's Avatar
    iOS 8 is good, I'm not unimpressed, its just I don't appeal to many of the features, it doesn't seem as big as iOS 7. But, I love the quick reply and the quick access parts of the update, that is great. Didn't they have quick reply planned for us in a leak? What happened to it?
    Actionable notifications were in early builds of WP8.1. They even made it as far as the SDK. Unfortunately, they were cut due to time constraints (apparently wasn't refined enough, and therefore not ready for consumer use).

    We'll be getting them soon enough, but now it's sadly too late to have it before Apple got the chance to "invent" them. Android has had it for years, of course, as with BB10, but Android is a mixed bag, and BB is going the way of the dodo...

    Hopefully they'll come with a GDR update, but I honestly wouldn't expect them until Windows 9 "Threshold." It'd be wonderful for Microsoft to release earlier, but they seem to love holding off on releasing features for the sake of packing them into larger updates. :/
    06-03-2014 08:05 PM
  15. SwimSwim's Avatar
    The iOS 8 announcement was cool. I only wonder.....from version 1 to version 7, all iPhones have horrible battery life and will adding more features worsen it?

    What is the use of having so many features when your phone cannot be used for a decent time (forget about competing with battery life of Lumia's) in a single charge.?
    Well, if you've seen iPhone users, they're often "wall huggers." In my school, kids are always desperate to plug in their iPhones. Funny, really. Especially interesting how Apple prioritizes being thin and light over battery life. Didn't the Droid Razr vs. Droid Razr Maxx show us that people will gladly take a slightly bigger and slightly heavier phone for the sake of dramatically increased battery life?
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    06-03-2014 08:07 PM
  16. MyNL822's Avatar
    Well, if you've seen iPhone users, they're often "wall huggers." In my school, kids are always desperate to plug in their iPhones. Funny, really. Especially interesting how Apple prioritizes being thin and light over battery life. Didn't the Droid Razr vs. Droid Razr Maxx show us that people will gladly take a slightly bigger and slightly heavier phone for the sake of dramatically increased battery life?
    Yes, so true lol, but I think its with the older models or heavy users. My school has several signs posted saying not to charge your phone and the assistant principal says it on announcements every morning. Also I have to admit(wow, word flow guessed I was gonna say have to s***) I am a wall hugger occasionally but only when my phone mysteriously doesn't charge over night. But, thank god its summer break :D
    I'm in high school Btw.
    06-03-2014 08:21 PM
  17. tgp's Avatar
    Well, if you've seen iPhone users, they're often "wall huggers." In my school, kids are always desperate to plug in their iPhones. Funny, really. Especially interesting how Apple prioritizes being thin and light over battery life. Didn't the Droid Razr vs. Droid Razr Maxx show us that people will gladly take a slightly bigger and slightly heavier phone for the sake of dramatically increased battery life?
    I never quite understood why Apple thought being thin & light was more important than battery life. I remember when the iPhone 5 was released it was advertised as the thinnest smartphone to date. It was indeed impressive what Apple packed in there, but I for one would gladly carry a few extra millimeters & grams to have better battery endurance.
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    06-03-2014 08:39 PM
  18. thepolicecall911fordetails's Avatar
    Yes, after steve jobs went away..they did lose a lot. It isn't as exciting as before since now everything is copying everything. For example, Apple copied the flat, colorful design of W8, Android copied the layout on first gens, everyone copied the idea of the capacative (I know I spelled it wrong) touch screen, and Blackberry copied Android's gingerbread and up versions. Apple needs to come out with something amazing again, with the days when they introduce the first pad and iphone were stunning. Now..it's starting to become less intuitive in new concepts..
    06-03-2014 08:45 PM
  19. A895's Avatar
    Obviously you can, but the point is its that to use most of the "cool" new features hot need to be fully submerged in the Apple platform
    Same with Windows Phone. I don't see the big deal. At least with Apple besides iMessage you can choose whatever services you want to use. On Windows Phone Microsoft Services is at the forefront.

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    06-03-2014 09:50 PM
  20. A895's Avatar
    Yes, after steve jobs went away..they did lose a lot. It isn't as exciting as before since now everything is copying everything. For example, Apple copied the flat, colorful design of W8, Android copied the layout on first gens, everyone copied the idea of the capacative (I know I spelled it wrong) touch screen, and Blackberry copied Android's gingerbread and up versions. Apple needs to come out with something amazing again, with the days when they introduce the first pad and iphone were stunning. Now..it's starting to become less intuitive in new concepts..
    Android copied what? BlackBerry copied what? BlackBerry borrowed heavily from WebOS if anything with literally Android in it.

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    06-03-2014 10:00 PM
  21. a5cent's Avatar
    The iOS 8 announcement was cool. I only wonder.....from version 1 to version 7, all iPhones have horrible battery life and will adding more features worsen it?

    What is the use of having so many features when your phone cannot be used for a decent time (forget about competing with battery life of Lumia's) in a single charge.?
    The number of features is entirely irrelevant. What matters is how each feature is implemented and how often and for how long a feature is executed. Typically, the three features using most battery power will use more juice than the next 50 combined. Some features, like new settings options, require no extra power at all.
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    06-03-2014 10:01 PM
  22. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Very true. Many take their technology too heart, and it basically becomes a biggest ***** contest. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it's true: that's how I see this whole thread.

    So because Apple made some improvements: Microsoft-fans feel inadequate and are getting highly defensive. I've said this several times: But you're a fool if you don't beleive iOS 8 is a significant update with lots of new features in tow.
    Improved notifications, widgets and keyboards is cool but far from significant and far from a ton of new features. It's a nice update but really we could call this ios 7.2
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    06-03-2014 10:55 PM
  23. A895's Avatar
    Improved notifications, widgets and keyboards is cool but far from significant and far from a ton of new features. It's a nice update but really we could call this ios 7.2
    You are only picking and choosing. There was way more than that they talked about. Come on, be fair.

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    06-03-2014 11:01 PM
  24. A895's Avatar
    Here is just the most important stuff, there were actually a couple things they didn't even talk about at WWDC but it is in the list of iOS 8 features big own would be finally iPhones can have WiFi calling. But for reference:

    http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/6/2/...now/in/5535533

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    06-03-2014 11:03 PM
  25. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Here is just the most important stuff, there were actually a couple things they didn't even talk about at WWDC but it is in the list of iOS 8 features big own would be finally iPhones can have WiFi calling. But for reference:

    http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/6/2/...now/in/5535533

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    Yup.


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    06-03-2014 11:27 PM
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