11-22-2014 11:43 PM
423 ... 1011121314 ...
tools
  1. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    As far as people talking about Apple implementation. Adopted implementation will always be a bit more refined because they only support 3 or 4 phone models at any one time. Older phones don't get updated features. You also have to consider that they build all of the hardware. It's a very closed system.
    06-04-2014 02:45 PM
  2. A895's Avatar
    I did not bring up price or who had anything first. I addressed that point because others brought it up. IOS 8 is weak on its own merit. These points don't have to be brought up to prove IOS 8 is weak. IOS 8 is an example of Apple doing what Apple does best when it comes to iPhones since the death of Steve jobs. It offers a few app updates (message, notification center, keyboard) and a gimmick feature (think fingerprint scanner) like calling over Mac. These updates are not significant updates because these updates fixed where Apple was already falling short. The ability to remove yourself from group text comes from the flaws already in group text. Predictive text comes from the slowness of regular texting. My girl has an iPhone 5s and entering any text is a chore whenever I borrow it (Especially when you're used to WordFlow). This really should be called IOS 7.2 not IOS 8.
    I think you are not wiling to admit iOS now has more features than Windows Phone does. We can criticize Apple all day but in the end, who makes the most money from mobile? Who gets a lot of repeat customers? Who has one of the best ecosystems? That is all Apple.

    Personally I would be beyond hesitant to get an iPhone but now with iOS 8 bringing so many features and a bigger iPhone set to come out, I would be fooling myself if I didn't check it out at least.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    06-04-2014 02:53 PM
  3. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    I think you are not wiling to admit iOS now has more features than Windows Phone does. We can criticize Apple all day but in the end, who makes the most money from mobile? Who gets a lot of repeat customers? Who has one of the best ecosystems? That is all Apple.

    Personally I would be beyond hesitant to get an iPhone but now with iOS 8 bringing so many features and a bigger iPhone set to come out, I would be fooling myself if I didn't check it out at least.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    Having more features and sales has nothing at all to do with the OS being weak.
    PS I do think it does have more features but i don't think it has the most useful features. I recently left iPhone for lack of useful features. I had a 4s. I didn't update to the 5 cause it introduced stuff that was useless to me. I still don't know anyone who regularly users airdrop at all. Then the 5s came out and one again I didn't update because a fingerprint scanner had nothing to do with a feature I would actually want. It's a novelty feature. When Samsung threw in every feature under the sun in their phones they were critiqued for bloating the OS. Apple sort of does the same by bloating with the features that aren't what Apple users are asking for. They're asking for iTunes improvements, ways to backup their phones without it altogether, their asking for customizations, they're tired of having to jailbreak to get some real function or of their phone.
    Karthik Naik likes this.
    06-04-2014 03:06 PM
  4. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Personally I would be beyond hesitant to get an iPhone but now with iOS 8 bringing so many features and a bigger iPhone set to come out, I would be fooling myself if I didn't check it out at least.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    In my opinion IOS 8 has already told me everything I need to know about the iPhone 6. No SD card. No removable battery, no regular micro USB charge port. I'm sure it will have improvements but not the ones the users are asking for.
    06-04-2014 03:09 PM
  5. pappy53's Avatar
    I left apple recently and IOS 8 represents every reason I was tired of apple. And this is exactly why do many iPhone users switch to Android. It's fancy but more or less it's the same thing with some cool features iPhone users aren't really asking for. Improve iTunes, SD card support, improve apple ID, allowed complete skinning.

    Instead we get keyboard skinning, exploding text messages and Mac phone calls. Apples inability to give people what they want instead offering features to keep people trapped in the apple ecosystem is exactly why they're losing market share everyday. Open your eyes people.
    In the U.S., their market share has increased over 10 points in the last year.
    tylerpw and A895 like this.
    06-04-2014 03:12 PM
  6. A895's Avatar
    Having more features and sales has nothing at all to do with the OS being weak.
    PS I do think it does have more features but i don't think it has the most useful features. I recently left iPhone for lack of useful features. I had a 4s. I didn't update to the 5 cause it introduced stuff that was useless to me. I still don't know anyone who regularly users airdrop at all. Then the 5s came out and one again I didn't update because a fingerprint scanner had nothing to do with a feature I would actually want. It's a novelty feature. When Samsung threw in every feature under the sun in their phones they were critiqued for bloating the OS. Apple sort of does the same by bloating with the features that aren't what Apple users are asking for. They're asking for iTunes improvements, ways to backup their phones without it altogether, their asking for customizations, they're tired of having to jailbreak to get some real function or of their phone.
    Well all those complaints are now gone in iOS 8. What's the real problem? I honestly don't see any really useless features in iOS 8. I can't hate on something that probably took a good amount of R & D to do. Especially coming from a company that has been so slow to change anything.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    06-04-2014 03:21 PM
  7. A895's Avatar
    In my opinion IOS 8 has already told me everything I need to know about the iPhone 6. No SD card. No removable battery, no regular micro USB charge port. I'm sure it will have improvements but not the ones the users are asking for.
    Are you serious? iPhones NEVER had a micro SD card, removable battery or a micro USB charging port. Now they would have it? That makes no sense. At that that's something that is rarely if at all seen in Nokia's phones. They have a micro USB port but removable batteries is never seen on their high end models and micro SD card slots have only made it on the 1520 for their high end.

    Seems to me you just want to criticize them. Especially since those requests you mentioned seem like what YOU want and not just "general users".

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    FFR likes this.
    06-04-2014 03:24 PM
  8. tylerpw's Avatar
    In my opinion IOS 8 has already told me everything I need to know about the iPhone 6. No SD card. No removable battery, no regular micro USB charge port. I'm sure it will have improvements but not the ones the users are asking for.
    You have the right to your own opinion and preferences but the average user doesn't care about the things you've listed. The proof is in the pudding. Every business' objective is to sell more. Selling more means catering to said average user.
    A895 likes this.
    06-04-2014 03:26 PM
  9. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Adopted lightning connector is no faster than any l an ordinary USB connector. Apple only implemented it to sell Apple charging devices. People do want to be able to use a regular cheap cable to charge their phone. And as you said high end phones have SD cards and Apple is super to be as premium as it gets. You mention Apple never had these things which emphasizes my point. Apple doesn't add the feature people want. Lack of SD card, bigger size, USB charging are reasons Android is winning the phone battle. People want these and Apple will finally cave in due to demand on some features but still they're not there yet.
    06-04-2014 03:30 PM
  10. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Well all those complaints are now gone in iOS 8. What's the real problem? I honestly don't see any really useless features in iOS 8. I can't hate on something that probably took a good amount of R & D to do. Especially coming from a company that has been so slow to change anything.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app

    The real problem, still no iTunes improvement, Apple ID improvements, file manager, multitasking, etc... I've stated problems in previous post.
    06-04-2014 03:32 PM
  11. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    You have the right to your own opinion and preferences but the average user doesn't care about the things you've listed. The proof is in the pudding. Every business' objective is to sell more. Selling more means catering to said average user.


    If that's the argument then Android ftw
    06-04-2014 03:54 PM
  12. A895's Avatar
    Adopted lightning connector is no faster than any l an ordinary USB connector. Apple only implemented it to sell Apple charging devices. People do want to be able to use a regular cheap cable to charge their phone. And as you said high end phones have SD cards and Apple is super to be as premium as it gets. You mention Apple never had these things which emphasizes my point. Apple doesn't add the feature people want. Lack of SD card, bigger size, USB charging are reasons Android is winning the phone battle. People want these and Apple will finally cave in due to demand on some features but still they're not there yet.
    They have no reason to do what you just said. You are projecting your own wants onto other people when the proof is in the pudding that Apple does very well despite your reasons why they are losing.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    06-04-2014 04:15 PM
  13. A895's Avatar
    The real problem, still no iTunes improvement, Apple ID improvements, file manager, multitasking, etc... I've stated problems in previous post.
    What improvements? You are just rattling off a list.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    06-04-2014 04:17 PM
  14. A895's Avatar
    If that's the argument then Android ftw
    I thought you liked Windows Phone?

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    06-04-2014 04:17 PM
  15. pappy53's Avatar
    Adopted lightning connector is no faster than any l an ordinary USB connector. Apple only implemented it to sell Apple charging devices. People do want to be able to use a regular cheap cable to charge their phone. And as you said high end phones have SD cards and Apple is super to be as premium as it gets. You mention Apple never had these things which emphasizes my point. Apple doesn't add the feature people want. Lack of SD card, bigger size, USB charging are reasons Android is winning the phone battle. People want these and Apple will finally cave in due to demand on some features but still they're not there yet.
    The average smartphone buyer doesn't even know about SD cards, USB vs. Lightning, removable battery, etc., so I doubt that is a buying factor. It is probably the people that follow these forums (for the most part) that are aware of those features.One reason that Android is winning the battle is that Apple is only in the high-end market, whereas Android sells anything from cheap junk (not the Moto's) to high-end phones. Apple controls the high-end market with around 65% of that market, and they leave the low-end alone.
    "Apple only implemented it to sell Apple charging devices." Apple developed Lightning because it is more user-friendly, more pins, and at the time that Lightning was released the micro-usb cables couldn't handle enough amperage to charge an iPad.
    Last edited by pappy53; 06-04-2014 at 04:50 PM.
    A895 and tylerpw like this.
    06-04-2014 04:29 PM
  16. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    I thought you liked Windows Phone?

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    I do (i personally don't even like android at all) but if we are talking sales then clearly android is winning this argument.
    06-04-2014 05:17 PM
  17. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    The average smartphone buyer doesn't even know about SD cards, USB vs. Lightning, removable battery, etc., so I doubt that is a buying factor. It is probably the people that follow these forums (for the most part) that are aware of those features.One reason that Android is winning the battle is that Apple is only in the high-end market, whereas Android sells anything from cheap junk (not the Moto's) to high-end phones. Apple controls the high-end market with around 65% of that market, and they leave the low-end alone.
    "Apple only implemented it to sell Apple charging devices." Apple developed Lightning because it is more user-friendly, more pins, and at the time that Lightning was released the micro-usb cables couldn't handle enough amperage to charge an iPad.
    You're joking, right? People don't know about SD cards and removable batteries? I know old people who don't even own smartphones that know about removable batteries in cell phones. And way too many devices use SD cards for you to say such nonsense.
    06-04-2014 05:23 PM
  18. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    At the end of the day,IOS 8 is a big deal.

    I know folks who have switched from a 4s to a Galaxy phone..I'm one..I couldn't get used to it.

    It was too small of a screen for my eyes. My goodness it was totally closed and I couldn't change much,however it would work when no other phone would. The Wi-Fi was excellent,call quality was spot on,screen sensitivity excellent..all in all was a super nice phone,and the app store,well,that's a no brainer.

    Now since then,the improvements with them is impressive,same for Androids,same for Windows phone...bigger screens,better apps,more connectivity,higher resolution screens....man everything across all platforms is better..

    To say IOS 8 isn't a big difference is short sighted,same for wp8.1, and 4.3 Android..

    They all bring things to the table that are below skin level,and make these phones better.

    Whose the best...does it really matter?

    I root for them all to make our lives better,isn't that what we all should do?

    Competition is good....and we all benefit from it.

    My household has all platforms and so I get to see how they all interact together and just like most families,they all have issues playing with one another.

    IOS 8 just as WP 8.1 and the next version of Android is better bigger and will do more...and that is a good thing.

    Mac
    06-04-2014 05:40 PM
  19. A895's Avatar
    I do (i personally don't even like android at all) but if we are talking sales then clearly android is winning this argument.
    Samsung is winning in Android. Their sales total outstrip any manufacturer. But profit wise, Apple makes the most money, and sells more individual phones.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    06-04-2014 05:42 PM
  20. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    I'm kinda over this whole conversation. At the end of the day some people are impressed and some are unimpressed with IOS 8 (the name of the thread).
    06-04-2014 05:51 PM
  21. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    I was saying in that post the Windows AIO devices have the same specs as the iMacs so it is a fair comparison. So calling them overpriced is calling all the AIO's overpriced as well.
    lolwut?? you gotta be kidding honestly
    06-04-2014 06:11 PM
  22. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    They are not overpriced, you and others want to believe that it is, but in reality Apple's products are in the same range as any other OS's high end end devices.
    hahahaha im assuming you are sarcastic on this one
    dont get me wrong i love apple but they are overpriced and overrated except for ipad and appletv
    06-04-2014 06:12 PM
  23. FFR's Avatar
    You know what IOS 8 won't have? Pureview!!

    Enough said.
    Actually..,.

    "Nokia PureView Camera Expert and Lumia Photography Lead Leaves Nokia for Apple"

    http://petapixel.com/2014/05/10/lumi...s-nokia-apple/
    06-04-2014 06:13 PM
  24. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Samsung is winning in Android. Their sales total outstrip any manufacturer. But profit wise, Apple makes the most money, and sells more individual phones.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    unbranded phones are winning more than samsung actually, samsung is dropping fast
    06-04-2014 06:13 PM
  25. A895's Avatar
    lolwut?? you gotta be kidding honestly
    I am not.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    06-04-2014 06:23 PM
423 ... 1011121314 ...

Similar Threads

  1. Wife completly turned off by WP
    By Ivin Laney in forum Windows Phone 8
    Replies: 60
    Last Post: 06-04-2014, 10:15 AM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD