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  1. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    You're right: It's not easy. Hence why we give our money to companies to make, offer and sell a quality and compelling product.

    Seriously, that logic will ruin the world, because it wouldn't leave room to criticize anything. Don't like a movie? Go make your own! Supermarket sold you rotten meat? Raise your own cows! A landscaper you hired did a **** job on your yard? Go do it yourself! Etc, etc.

    Yeah, the whole point of this magical little thing we call an economy is to facilitate the trade and exchange of goods. They're supposed to do the hard work we can't and don't want to do, and we pay them in return. They don't listen? Then we speak with our wallets: By spending money elsewhere.

    So hell yeah, it's tough to build an OS, hence why I'm giving them my money to do it for me. As such, if they don't give me what I want: I can go elsewhere, where I can receive what I desire. Gotta love the choice available in a consumer-driven economy. :P
    you should know i come from a business family so yeah i know the struggles of a corporate as well
    it might look easy to do well etc but do you know the behind the scenes stuff??
    especially coding an entire os without any open source code etc isnt easy
    you misunderstood my point
    A895 doesnt even own any non-android device as he stated earlier and wants to comment about something he hasnt even used/owned so he defintely doesnt know the pros and cons
    he wants to buy a wp, once he buys one, he can have enough knowledge to comment about the pros and cons since he will have experienced it

    no one is forcing you to buy their product :)
    your comment is higly flawed and misleading
    you usually have better opinions than this,stick to the topic
    06-08-2014 02:17 AM
  2. smoledman's Avatar
    I'm extremely impressed by everything I saw at WWDC. Apple really hit it out of the park with Continuity, interactive notifications, Swift, Metal, HealthKit, HomeKit. Literally no mistakes, awesome stuff. Google I/O is right around the corner, ball in their court. MS really behind now.
    06-08-2014 02:22 AM
  3. smoledman's Avatar
    The continuity sold me. I am going to love being able to respond to text messages, recieve phone calls, and pick up right where I was on my iMac, iPhone, or iPad. IMO it completly blows MS integration out of the water. I'm very curious to see how Google responds and am somewhat disappointed the all of MS's cards are showing. Just when they finally catch up, Apple makes me want to go full on iOS.
    MS is literally 2 years behind Apple/Android and never going to catch up. I'm convinced of that now. People keep talking about MS catching up, but it's not possible when you spot Apple & Google YEARS. It's not as if Apple/Google are going to slow down and allow MS to catch up either. At this point MS would have to pull a miracle out of their hats in the next 12 months or WP is done.
    06-08-2014 02:24 AM
  4. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    Yeah, people have kept copying that whole idea of a metal box on wheels for decades. Seriously, that concept has gone nowhere, not improved at all. Exactly the same, nothing new or interesting. Nope, nothing at all.
    You oversimplify my position.
    06-08-2014 02:45 AM
  5. MDMcAtee's Avatar

    "Windows Phone isn't a prime focus for Microsoft"
    Lolwut? dude they plan to merge all their services and OS's for a unified experience
    8.1 is just the start with the new .APPX format which is easy for wp8.1 and w8.1 releases of apps
    See......here's where I have a problem..all this talk of continuity with Windows...it's all talk right now with little action..They have a long way to go and little time if they want to be relevant for this.

    Will they span the 3 platforms successfully.....I don't think it will be anytime soon..and Apple already is a leg up on them..
    Mac
    06-08-2014 05:04 AM
  6. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    See......here's where I have a problem..all this talk of continuity with Windows...it's all talk right now with little action..They have a long way to go and little time if they want to be relevant for this.

    Will they span the 3 platforms successfully.....I don't think it will be anytime soon..and Apple already is a leg up on them..
    Mac
    you do realize ubuntu touch has the same goal in mind and so does apple and google but guess who has a larger majority overall

    yeah its microsoft, windows is the most popular desktop and laptop os, the most productive tablet os which is recognised only by corporates and not consumers for now
    Xbox is arguably the most popular gaming service and console (xbox one-ps4 gen yet has to prove itself), plus having a windows core in the xbox one means porting windows pc games will be easier than porting to the unix freebsd based ps4(hardware is another issue altogether)
    apple is expensive and i dont see OSX taking off as much as windows given it cant be installed officially and stuff on a non-apple computer
    hence if you buy their products and accessories you will have to stick to apple only and its not possible for everyone to do that
    06-08-2014 07:36 AM
  7. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    people who talk about OS integration and making calls from your mac and iphone etc honestly seem very misinformed about MS
    just fyi, windows 8.1 and wp8.1 are integrated in the same way and supports calls in the same way via bluetooth as well
    heres a link to prove my point-
    Windows Phone 8 - Bluetooth Pairing with Windows 8.1

    its funny how apple "invents" everything and people believe them because they havent seen the same features on other platforms
    even symbian and android support something like this
    06-08-2014 07:40 AM
  8. eugie's Avatar
    Good
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    06-08-2014 07:53 AM
  9. eugie's Avatar
    Nice
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    06-08-2014 07:55 AM
  10. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    That's just it. Apple didn't hit anything out the park. They kept the ball in their park only. If you're entrenched in Apple products iOS8 will have you smiling, but if you only have an iPhone or iPad its not going to make you run out and grab something else Apple or switch from Android or WP. If you don't think MSFT doesn't rival what iOS8 and iOSX can do, then you don't own multiple MSFT products. iCloud made improvements but still lack what OneDrive does. I'll take fluidity over continuity. OneNote, contacts, Xbox music which even with its issues is better than iTunes. Xbox Video has amazing fluidity on all platforms. Like I've stated, metrics indicated iPhone will loose share to WP over the next 3 years. Why do you think that is?? How many iPhone users are also using something running Windows? What did iOS8 do to keep those people.
    06-08-2014 11:18 AM
  11. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    That's just it. Apple didn't hit anything out the park. They kept the ball in their park only. If you're entrenched in Apple products iOS8 will have you smiling, but if you only have an iPhone or iPad its not going to make you run out and grab something else Apple or switch from Android or WP. If you don't think MSFT doesn't rival what iOS8 and iOSX can do, then you don't own multiple MSFT products. iCloud made improvements but still lack what OneDrive does. I'll take fluidity over continuity. OneNote, contacts, Xbox music which even with its issues is better than iTunes. Xbox Video has amazing fluidity on all platforms. Like I've stated, metrics indicated iPhone will loose share to WP over the next 3 years. Why do you think that is?? How many iPhone users are also using something running Windows? What did iOS8 do to keep those people.



    I fully agree with this. No improvement for iTunes single handedly kills all updates for both Mac and iPhone for a whole lot of people. ITunes is really unbearable especially if you don't have a Mac. And as market share has proven, most computer users are not on Mac.
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    06-08-2014 12:30 PM
  12. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Xbox music over iTunes...?

    That's funny. ITunes works exceptionally well with any iPhone or Mac...the same cannot be said about Xbox and here is a biggie... IOS 8 is just out in beta while Xbox is rtm....give me a break.

    I've never had iTunes screw up my music or videos not once,and Xbox can't even load the metadata without a friggin workaround.

    Sure Apple will loose some market share,it's bound to happen,but I'll wager they gain more come this release date than Microsoft or Samsung does with their new releases...

    I find much of this humorous at best..especially for people in the USA where this release is the most anticipated release ever for them. People are switching from Android to Apple products.I know this for a fact...and I also know WP's are gaining momentum too...and also know they would gain more if it they would fix their issues faster. If folks here bothered to read the suggestion pages,one of the largest request was for Zune not Xbox and was shot down....to me that is what is holding many people back from WP that are using iPhones, everything else they have covered with the Lumina line..and they force this Xbox crap on it...and fwiw....I use iTunes across WP Androids and iPhones without issues from my Mac and from even XP and Vista and Windows 7 pc's and prefer it to Windows Media Center never did it fail to sync or hose my music or video.

    ITunes may not be perfect but it's a damnsight better than Xbox on just about every front and if I could choose between them for my 1520 and have the full available of each I would take it over Xbox any day..but..that is just my preferences..and I know it will never happen

    Sooner or later Microsoft will wakeup and realize while streaming is okay,it isn't what everyone else wants,we are not all blessed with unlimited data or have 4bars signal 📶...nor do we have access all the time for Wi-Fi...

    You folks can make all the excuses in the world for Microsoft and it's Xbox but the world doesn't revolve around it's game consoles no matter how badly they want them to.

    Mac
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    06-08-2014 01:28 PM
  13. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    Xbox music over iTunes...?

    That's funny. ITunes works exceptionally well with any iPhone or Mac...the same cannot be said about Xbox and here is a biggie... IOS 8 is just out in beta while Xbox is rtm....give me a break.

    I've never had iTunes screw up my music or videos not once,and Xbox can't even load the metadata without a friggin workaround.

    Sure Apple will loose some market share,it's bound to happen,but I'll wager they gain more come this release date than Microsoft or Samsung does with their new releases...

    I find much of this humorous at best..especially for people in the USA where this release is the most anticipated release ever for them. People are switching from Android to Apple products.I know this for a fact...and I also know WP's are gaining momentum too...and also know they would gain more if it they would fix their issues faster. If folks here bothered to read the suggestion pages,one of the largest request was for Zune not Xbox and was shot down....to me that is what is holding many people back from WP that are using iPhones, everything else they have covered with the Lumina line..and they force this Xbox crap on it...and fwiw....I use iTunes across WP Androids and iPhones without issues from my Mac and from even XP and Vista and Windows 7 pc's and prefer it to Windows Media Center never did it fail to sync or hose my music or video.

    ITunes may not be perfect but it's a damnsight better than Xbox on just about every front and if I could choose between them for my 1520 and have the full available of each I would take it over Xbox any day..but..that is just my preferences..and I know it will never happen

    Sooner or later Microsoft will wakeup and realize while streaming is okay,it isn't what everyone else wants,we are not all blessed with unlimited data or have 4bars signal 📶...nor do we have access all the time for Wi-Fi...

    You folks can make all the excuses in the world for Microsoft and it's Xbox but the world doesn't revolve around it's game consoles no matter how badly they want them to.

    Mac
    Xbox may not be better but that doesn't equivocate that iTunes sucks any less. ITunes is the heart of the iphone/ipad to mac connection and an easy Bing or Google search can wield you countless iTunes complaints. IOS lacking iTunes overhaul is a kill switch.
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    06-08-2014 01:58 PM
  14. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Xbox may not be better but that doesn't equivocate that iTunes sucks any less. ITunes is the heart of the iphone/ipad to mac connection and an easy Bing or Google search can wield you countless iTunes complaints. IOS lacking iTunes overhaul is a kill switch.
    I know about some of the issues it had with the roll out of IOS 7...I also know most issues were resolved too...and I also know like I said before...IOS 8 is beta,Xbox is rtm...big difference between them. Crap issues by Ota download problems is common place,regardless of the platform it's on..but not as common for the Apple servers..

    ITunes may suck in some regards to a person who is a Windows fan,but I know for a fact it is far more usable than Xbox will ever be....unless Microsoft allows a full restore option or allows 3rd party development without the hooks into Xbox..

    Mac
    06-08-2014 02:30 PM
  15. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    And yet Apple just bought out Beats....seems they think streaming is pretty serious too. iTunes radio tanked. I agree comparing Zune to Xbox music, which I still use, but we're not comparing those are we? WP is at least making a conscious effort to upgrade the Xbox music experience on WP by shooting out updates almost bimonthly. You say Android is loosing users to Apple, well that might be true in your circle but any statistic would who you quite the opposite. As for your inclination that Apple will do better than WP this next quarter... We'll definitely have to see. WP has multiple launches coming up from new OEMs and new tablets running Windows 8.1. iOS8s success will coincide with the success of the iPhone6.
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    06-08-2014 02:34 PM
  16. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    Most people used iTunes before anything else. Why do you think we all switched? Too restricting.
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    06-08-2014 02:36 PM
  17. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    I know about some of the issues it had with the roll out of IOS 7...I also know most issues were resolved too...and I also know like I said before...IOS 8 is beta,Xbox is rtm...big difference between them. Crap issues by Ota download problems is common place,regardless of the platform it's on..but not as common for the Apple servers..

    ITunes may suck in some regards to a person who is a Windows fan,but I know for a fact it is far more usable than Xbox will ever be....unless Microsoft allows a full restore option or allows 3rd party development without the hooks into Xbox..

    Mac
    You're missing the point. I'm not a windows fan and I'm not saying Xbox music is better. I was an iPhone user and I'm saying iTunes is frustrating like hell and it was not updated in IOS 8 or Yosemite. ITunes being the core of the problem with Apple products that should have been the first thing updated but it wasn't and although Apple put together some decent features they're still not fixing the problems people with their products already have and that is why IOS 8 is unimpressive.
    06-08-2014 04:26 PM
  18. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    You're missing the point. I'm not a windows fan and I'm not saying Xbox music is better. I was an iPhone user and I'm saying iTunes is frustrating like hell and it was not updated in IOS 8 or Yosemite. ITunes being the core of the problem with Apple products that should have been the first thing updated but it wasn't and although Apple put together some decent features they're still not fixing the problems people with their products already have and that is why IOS 8 is unimpressive.
    Okay..I understand �

    Mac
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    06-08-2014 04:43 PM
  19. anony_mouse's Avatar
    especially coding an entire os without any open source code etc isnt easy
    True, but many would argue that it is extremely stupid. Why spend shareholders' and customers' money implementing something yourself when you can get a decent version for nothing, or at least share the cost with others? Of course, there are areas where you want to differentiate but frankly there are many more where it's not possible to add any worthwhile extra value.

    If Microsoft used open source software in those places, think of the resources it would free up to improve their products where it actually matters!

    [this is assuming that Microsoft do not make use of any open source code in their products, which may not be true]
    06-14-2014 06:41 AM
  20. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    True, but many would argue that it is extremely stupid. Why spend shareholders' and customers' money implementing something yourself when you can get a decent version for nothing, or at least share the cost with others? Of course, there are areas where you want to differentiate but frankly there are many more where it's not possible to add any worthwhile extra value.

    If Microsoft used open source software in those places, think of the resources it would free up to improve their products where it actually matters!

    [this is assuming that Microsoft do not make use of any open source code in their products, which may not be true]
    fair enough but they do give us quality which is rare these days(hardware wise especially)
    people forget that they can do research before buying something and complaining(not directed at you,dont get me wrong :) )
    06-16-2014 08:32 AM
  21. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Lol what? The biggest thing that I hear people talking about is predictive text. PREDICTIVE TEXT. My 3 year old Android had that. Its a solid update, no doubt, but nothing very impressive.
    actually predictive text has been around since the era of symbian and was called T9 prediction
    symbian even had speech recognition,a widget like home screen thingy,something like a notification centre on the home screen and when symbian s60 v5 came out it had swype
    symbian was owned by nokia so technically ms is sorta original
    06-16-2014 01:34 PM
  22. salmanahmad's Avatar
    During the iOS 7 era I could see how the icons we're getting boring and people wanted something like "widgets" or "live tiles".

    Now that Apple has finally delivered, with a host of other improvements like Apple Pay and continuity, the new Metal API and so on...I am really started to appreciate iOS as an OS again.

    Being a power user I wouldn't consider it my first choice as an OS, but it'll now become a definite second place.

    The widgets are way more functional IMO than live tiles, I was doubtful about Apple's implementation but I'm okay with it now.

    Could iOS 8 be improved further? Yes, definitely there are things that Android and Windows Phone can do that iOS *NEEDS* as we'll.

    But for the most part I'm okay with iOS 8, quite impressed actually.
    10-22-2014 04:39 AM
  23. Sanjay Chandra's Avatar
    people who talk about OS integration and making calls from your mac and iphone etc honestly seem very misinformed about MS
    just fyi, windows 8.1 and wp8.1 are integrated in the same way and supports calls in the same way via bluetooth as well
    heres a link to prove my point-
    Windows Phone 8 - Bluetooth Pairing with Windows 8.1

    its funny how apple "invents" everything and people believe them because they havent seen the same features on other platforms
    even symbian and android support something like this
    Continuity works for SMS , Phone calls, Apps resuming . Actually there is iMessage sync , facetime integration of phone number and email address in previous releases but they made it much more integrated now.

    https://www.apple.com/in/ios/whats-new/continuity/

    What you linked is a half-baked implementation which is done by every company these days.

    Apple is never the first. Apple came very late to smartphone market and Tablet market. They succeeded because they nailed the implementation first time itself. Microsoft is still trying to get it right.

    Implementation is important.

    For example , Do you think Candy Crush has invented those mechanics of their game ? Bejeweled and other games existed long before but what Candy crush did was nail the implementation that it is driving millions of people to play that game.
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