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  1. bayanii's Avatar
    I have to agree. iOS 8 is a pretty massive update, now that Apple is done with redesigning all the OS elements and being able to focus on the OS core and features themselves. iOS 8 is indeed huge.

    However, I also don't think it's as damning as some would like to make it out to be. Many of the new features I've seen launched "steal" (I use that word tentatively, because innovation is all about stealing from those before and improving upon it) WP8/8.1 features. This means that, in many regards, iOS 8 is being forced to play catch-up. (I.E: Swype keyboard [Which we kinda stole from Android third-party keyboard makers], the ability to more easily attach your location, voice messages, etc., in iMessage, Improved Spotlight Search + Siri Integration, deeper OS level Share Pages and other functionality, iCloud Drive, etc..)

    Yes, iOS 8 is a bit ahead of us in several regards now. Only a fool would deny this. But I reiterate that this isn't the end of WP. Several headline grabbing features, such as actionable notifications, were in early builds of WP8.1, and some (again, citing actionable notifications) made it as far as the 8.1 SDK-Preview before 8.1 was officially announced at BUILD. They were almost-ready, but had to be cut at the last minute due to time constraints. Unfortunate, yes, but just like the FM Radio app with WP8: It seems entirely possible these features that were close-but-didn't-quite-make-it could be released with a future GDR update. Definitely by April 2015's "Threshold" update.

    So yes, iOS 8 and OSX 10.10 do indeed introduce some incredible new features, and are in many ways ahead of Windows and Windows Phone 8.1 (especially the whole answer phone calls and text messages on OSX, which it was much rumored Microsoft would be the first to do this). So yeah, they are ahead, but my friends: this isn't the end. We aren't nearly as desperately behind as we once were, and the morale in Redmond is the highest it's been in years. So I have faith that this new, overly exaggerated feature gap, won't last for long at all.

    So let's not run around like a bunch of headless chickens just yet. What Apple has announced today isn't really damning at all, considering that were aren't extremely far behind, and of course the fact that Apple and Microsoft compete in very different markets with very different strategies. So lets all take a chill pill, read a book, ride a bike, swim a couple laps, run a marathon, pet a cat, kiss a girl, provide tech support for Grandma, edit some photos, plant a tree, etc. etc.: And not flip out over something that just isn't worth flipping out over.

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    06-02-2014 11:47 PM
  2. bayanii's Avatar
    The point was that it's still a useful feature regardless of how many people get to use it. Also, how do you feel that the MS integration is superior beyond syncing of colors. What can it do better than what we saw with OSX and iOS? I'm curious to hear your opinion.
    Did you watch build?
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    06-02-2014 11:57 PM
  3. TheMightyCraken's Avatar
    Did you watch build?

    I did but it wasn't by far as huge as WWDC and Google I/O comin up...even though I loved it... LONG LIVE //BUILD. Lol
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    06-03-2014 12:07 AM
  4. Jazmac's Avatar
    I just watched the presentation for IOS 8. Those that believe that IOS 8 brings nothing to the table are not being truthful. IOS 8 brings tons. More than I've ever seen in any other package and this package will be a FREE upgrade. Google I/O is a joke by comparison.
    06-03-2014 12:26 AM
  5. mijacs's Avatar
    For the person wondering about integration on MS devices. I can start a document on one and then go use/add to it on another. My IE tabs and favorites are synced. Reading list is synced. I can start a game on my phone and complete it on my laptop.
    I have a calendar, photos, and documents shared with someone else with little setup and we both get notifications when something changes.

    The most impressive thing to me about wwdc was Apples ability to get so much corporate support for their locked in APIs
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    06-03-2014 12:31 AM
  6. dub_win's Avatar
    There was nothing really innovative about the ios8 update. Most people here yapping about ios being so awesome go do your research. I suggest you read this [bit.ly/1iNXyDD].

    Also, people crying about Microsoft not releasing updates every morning. I did suggest you please stop whining and support the windows phone ecosystem.
    06-03-2014 12:56 AM
  7. AngrySprintUser's Avatar
    Is it still just a giant app launcher? Then no thanks
    06-03-2014 01:00 AM
  8. mikeofthegarden's Avatar
    iOS8 messages you can easily do voice, video and pictures! Even share location!

    Oh wait... WP8 could do that...
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    06-03-2014 01:10 AM
  9. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Is Jazmac crossing over to the dark side?
    06-03-2014 01:11 AM
  10. James8561's Avatar
    The point was that it's still a useful feature regardless of how many people get to use it. Also, how do you feel that the MS integration is superior beyond syncing of colors. What can it do better than what we saw with OSX and iOS? I'm curious to hear your opinion.
    IE11 tab sync. app settings sync. password sync. universal apps. Office online. onedrive. onenote instant sync. Cortana sync interests. the grouping(linking) and syncing of all contacts across all services and devices.
    that last one alone blows apple out of the water.

    the call transfer from phone to desktop seems useful on the surface but most won't use it often if at all because to talk on a Mac, speaker phone is pretty much required and most people rather be speaking on a real phone (it has speakerphone as well) and not use speakerphone. In fact I see little usage scenario for this.
    I admit texting on computer is pretty nice since you can use a real keyboard, but this is only useful for the text heavies who also happens to own a Mac.
    Also realize that the mobile-desktop integration is very limited because Mac OS is at like 7.38% while Windows 8+8.1 is at 12.64% so neither got enough users for this features to be fully exploited.

    On the bright side, Google got 0 integration between Android and Chrome OS so we're miles ahead of them :)
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    06-03-2014 01:32 AM
  11. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Word flow is a copy of Swype. Cortana isn't an original idea either. Action center, notification center....I can go on and on
    You are absolutely right. Almost everything new in ios8 comes from Android or first appeared on the Android platform. It's the same for updates to Windows Phone.

    It's very clear where the innovation now happens.
    06-03-2014 01:54 AM
  12. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    I got to disagree with the thread title. I was impress by the iOS8 update. Is it safe to say that Apple is back, LoL at anybody being hype for Google I/O. IPhone 6 & IPhablet >>>> any Android that has or will come out this year. I still love WP & consider it me favorite mobile OS, but I got to give props to Apple.
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    06-03-2014 02:31 AM
  13. ABsmoove's Avatar
    I would usually joke about how Apple took features from Android and Windows Phone. But, honestly, when any OS does that, it just makes consumers feel more comfortable switching. Apple made iOS look a lot more attractive, but just off features. They need to get rid of the grid home screen and make something fresh. Apple hasn't changed the home screen since the VERY beginning.

    Now with that being said, I have to say that Apple has definitely kept an eye out for Android and Windows Phone's features. It kills and really annoys me that when Apple plays catch up (which they do a lot; it looks like they let other OSs be the guinea pig and see how consumers respond), barely anybody mentions it. But, when WP gets a feature late, people suck their teeth at WP (*looks at CNET*).

    "Hey Siri" (Hands-free use) started with the Moto X (Android)
    The deepness of Spotlight (That has Bing/Windows Search all over it)
    Predictive Texting (What the hell took so long?; The fact that iOS 8 can anticipate a user's reply to another person's text is really cool btw)
    The new Group Texting (features taken from Groups on WP 8)
    Quickly adding voice to texts and sending video messages (Is it that much better then sending a voice memo or recording a short video?)
    The broader "bird's-eye view" of Safari has Google Chrome all over it
    Shazam with Siri (Hmmm, Cortana can identify music too w/o Shazam)
    One Drive is much more comprehensive then iCould Drive. That's all I have to say.

    Now, Apple sent Microsoft a message today. MS needs to update OSs faster. Also, Windows Phone needs to "borrow", "take", or straight up "steal" and most importantly IMPROVE features from other OSs. Doing that just makes consumers feel more comfortable about switching to Windows Phone, which is what we ultimately want! More people on WP!

    3rd party keyboards would be nice.
    SMS texting on Windows 8 syncing to Windows Phone (PLEASE MICROSOFT!)
    Purchasing stuff from the Store with Cortana
    Wi-Fi calling (Once again, PLEASE!)
    Interactive Notifications (That's awesome. I want this. Some Androids can reply directly from the notifications bar, but not exactly the same)
    Continuity with Mac (Microsoft needs to add a continuity feature for Windows and WP. For now, saving to Onedrive is cool
    Only iOS lets users select multiple photos & share them in 1 text. Try that on WP, other options will appear, but not messaging. C'mon MS.

    I must say this. Since APPS are what really make a smartphone a "smart" phone, more advanced apps MUST come to WP to become on par with iOS and Android apps. You guys know the ones: Facebook, GroupMe (owned by MS and is the worst across all OSs, SMH), YouTube (Middle finger to Google, I have the MS made one on my 920), and, of course, Instagram (F them. There's no excuse to have our app still in beta. Don't give me that "They should update when WP 8.1 officaly releases". The beta was released Oct 22, 2013, it's June 2014. Still in beta. That is freaking embarrassing. Tired of giving somebody my phone and people commenting on my Instagram Beta. My dad says they're trying to keep out Microsoft cause you know what happens when MS gets big in an area. They take over).

    Finally, I wanna give some shououts:

    S/O to Twitter, Vine, Beats Music (I know), and the other developers for having their apps on WP as good as the apps on Android and iOS.

    And S/O to all the iPhone 4 users with cracked phones who ignorantly claim iOS is the best with barely any or crappy arguments. iOS 8 won't come to iPhone 4. Go cry in a corner.
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    06-03-2014 02:58 AM
  14. Ethel1209's Avatar
    Impressed with the IOS8?? Then read this. Apple’s WWDC from a Windows user’s standpoint | Pocketnow
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    06-03-2014 03:39 AM
  15. Alex Holyoake's Avatar
    I got to disagree with the thread title. I was impress by the iOS8 update. Is it safe to say that Apple is back, LoL at anybody being hype for Google I/O. IPhone 6 & IPhablet >>>> any Android that has or will come out this year. I still love WP & consider it me favorite mobile OS, but I got to give props to Apple.
    Same here... I've still got a iPhone 5, iPod Touch 4, and Apple TV. I love Windows Phone, but I'll be damned if I don't at least use some iOS 8 features in tandem with my MBP when Yosemite comes out.
    06-03-2014 03:43 AM
  16. shauntipson's Avatar
    It as some good feature
    In notification the ability to text in the notification and third party widget
    I like windows 8.1 brought a lot of features that were already available on other os
    But they always seem a step behind
    It need something to make it stand out from the crowd
    Yes Cortana is ok but not ground breaking
    06-03-2014 04:15 AM
  17. tapehead's Avatar
    All three of them stopped being innovative a LONG time ago. Now they just recycle each other's ideas.

    Android tries to look like iOS.

    iOS tries to look like Windows Phone.

    Windows Phone takes Siri from iOS and Notifications from Android, also the entire online office suite.

    iOS takes the notion of auto-backup from Google and Microsoft. Disappoints everybody. They are now fixing it.

    Android starts getting features VERY similar to Battery Saver on Windows Phone.

    iOS steals widgets from Android.

    --

    To quote Die Antwoord: "It's like one big inbred ****-fest."
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    06-03-2014 04:48 AM
  18. SchlepNT's Avatar
    The way the event came off to me was that iPhone is a great device if every machine you own is made by Apple. Seeing that I use an HTC 8X, Surface Pro 2 (soon to be 3!), Samsung Galaxy S4, and Nexus 7... I'm not exactly their target market.

    Five years ago, as an Apple user, I would have passed out.
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    06-03-2014 04:58 AM
  19. Akash Patel's Avatar
    Apple was far better when steve jobs was there now apple mostly try to make money out of their devices. And as tapehead said its true now there is innovation in any of the OS. They just copy each other ideas.
    Apple just launched iphone 5C 8gb version in India for ₹38000(i.e $600) same as the price tag of lumia 1520 and Samsung galaxy S5.In india still people go for apple cause its an iphone it will make them feel look rich(they think this way)
    06-03-2014 04:58 AM
  20. desitunez's Avatar
    Very happy they took great features from all OS's meaning key priority is their customers .. give them whats best in business. It doesn't matter if you cant reinvent the wheel but atleast your not missing anything.

    Now WP team needs to stop being 1980's company and been smart and provide features in quick fasion.. Notification centre cant really take 2 years to bring to public so yeh .. it took apple 1 year to bring all these new features.. WP / Joe B team has no excuse :)..
    06-03-2014 05:34 AM
  21. fonix232's Avatar
    The point was that it's still a useful feature regardless of how many people get to use it. Also, how do you feel that the MS integration is superior beyond syncing of colors. What can it do better than what we saw with OSX and iOS? I'm curious to hear your opinion.
    Of course it does matter what percentage of your userbase can use the features! How would you feel if iOS8 was all about that, nothing else, just the inter-device syncing, and you had a Windows? You'd say, screw this, really nice features, BUT WHY THE F*CK DO I NEED A DAMN MAC FOR IT? It's pretty much what Apple did so far, locking their users in their own ecosystem, not giving any freedom to them to have other devices. This is true from the very hardware (Lighting connector), to the requirement of a companion app to be able to CHARGE from a laptop/computer (seriously, it can't start charging without iTunes being installed. What the hell? Is it like, 2004?), and I could go on. Even if you want to turn your phone on the first time - you need a computer with iTunes installed, and it better be a Mac otherwise it'll freeze the sh*t out of it.

    All together, Apple's solution is better, I accept that. But it's the very minority who ever get the option to use these features, the rest feel like being sh*t on the head.

    And yes, Microsoft's solution is better. You can save a document to OneDrive easily, without a hassle, from ANY platform, then open it on your phone/laptop/computer/tablet/TV/whatever and continue where you left off. Sure, a prompt on your phone is easier - but most of the time when I just stand up and walk away from my laptop, during work, well, then I need a break. Not a damn notification that I still have work to do.
    06-03-2014 05:42 AM
  22. Ivin Laney's Avatar
    I guess you skipped the part where I said they only compete on the high end. They do not compete on the low end so why compare it with a 521? Even then why compare your budget phone with a flagship phone that came out 3 years ago? You can run all the games at the same speed that are don't require 1GB of ram. Are the HTC One M8, Icon, and Galaxy S5 overpriced too since they cost the same as a 5s? Or last years models being the same price as a 5? It also not just limited to phones. Contrary to popular belief, Macs are price competitive with the windows machines they compete with.
    06-03-2014 05:54 AM
  23. Ivin Laney's Avatar
    IE11 tab sync. app settings sync. password sync. universal apps. Office online. onedrive. onenote instant sync. Cortana sync interests. the grouping(linking) and syncing of all contacts across all services and devices.
    that last one alone blows apple out of the water.

    the call transfer from phone to desktop seems useful on the surface but most won't use it often if at all because to talk on a Mac, speaker phone is pretty much required and most people rather be speaking on a real phone (it has speakerphone as well) and not use speakerphone. In fact I see little usage scenario for this.
    I admit texting on computer is pretty nice since you can use a real keyboard, but this is only useful for the text heavies who also happens to own a Mac.
    Also realize that the mobile-desktop integration is very limited because Mac OS is at like 7.38% while Windows 8+8.1 is at 12.64% so neither got enough users for this features to be fully exploited.

    On the bright side, Google got 0 integration between Android and Chrome OS so we're miles ahead of them :)
    How is any of that the same thing Apple showed? Most of the things you listed are already being done in OSX (Safari Tab Sync, Keychain Password Sync, iWork in iCloud, Contacts sync accross platforms too). You saying most people won't use it is a stretch since you can't possible know that. It's not just about taking calls and texts. Its about the seemless handoff which MS does not have. It's about me sitting at my iMac typing a email, getting up and instantly finishing where I left off on my iPad or iPhone. It's about sitting on the couch with my iPad while my phone is charging and texting with it instead of being tethered to a wall. Just that to me is beyond useful. I think everyone is also forgeting that this also works on the iPad with the iPhone. There are 100s of millions of iPads out there. In fact more than any single other tablet. So theres that.
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    06-03-2014 06:13 AM
  24. xlandhenry's Avatar
    One thing that MS just did better than Apple: File manager.
    06-03-2014 06:30 AM
  25. Ivin Laney's Avatar
    Of course it does matter what percentage of your userbase can use the features! How would you feel if iOS8 was all about that, nothing else, just the inter-device syncing, and you had a Windows? You'd say, screw this, really nice features, BUT WHY THE F*CK DO I NEED A DAMN MAC FOR IT? It's pretty much what Apple did so far, locking their users in their own ecosystem, not giving any freedom to them to have other devices. This is true from the very hardware (Lighting connector), to the requirement of a companion app to be able to CHARGE from a laptop/computer (seriously, it can't start charging without iTunes being installed. What the hell? Is it like, 2004?), and I could go on. Even if you want to turn your phone on the first time - you need a computer with iTunes installed, and it better be a Mac otherwise it'll freeze the sh*t out of it.

    All together, Apple's solution is better, I accept that. But it's the very minority who ever get the option to use these features, the rest feel like being sh*t on the head.

    And yes, Microsoft's solution is better. You can save a document to OneDrive easily, without a hassle, from ANY platform, then open it on your phone/laptop/computer/tablet/TV/whatever and continue where you left off. Sure, a prompt on your phone is easier - but most of the time when I just stand up and walk away from my laptop, during work, well, then I need a break. Not a damn notification that I still have work to do.
    Sigh...
    You do not need to install iTunes to charge iDevices. Also you don't need a computer to activate an iPhone and haven't for years (Since the iPhone 4 in 2010 i believe). Those 2 things are simply not true. This integration also works from iPhone to iPad and there are 200 million of those out there.

    I don't understand why you guys are so against Apple for doing something that makes peoples lives easier just because it may not make your life any easier. I love WP too but I'm not going to sit here and act like MS has the better implementation when they have NOTHING at the system level that competes with Apple's "continuity" in it's current form. Everyone keeps throwing around comparisions that are not even the same thing. WP+W8.1 does not have the same integration as OSX+iOS. It's a fact so let it go and hope MS copies it in the next release.
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    06-03-2014 06:31 AM
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