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  1. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    If Apple releases a larger phone I could have a very, very difficult decision when the contract for my 920 expires in November. And I might have to hold off on that new PC purchase. Microsoft better have something compelling by end of year.
    06-03-2014 07:48 AM
  2. Psyk00's Avatar
    Maybe I'm missing sth, but what's so great in iOS 8? No game changer feature that would smack WP and Android. Predicting words, QuickType, Active Notifications. Oh wow, Jesus is walking among us again. Really, Apple again tries to sell us couple of ideas from 3rd party apps as a groundbreaking innovation. Unfortunately these aren't the droids I'm looking for.
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    06-03-2014 08:18 AM
  3. faalil's Avatar
    btw/ I never meant to hurt anyone.
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    06-03-2014 08:28 AM
  4. JerseySal's Avatar
    A lot of the **** people see on Iphones and Androids were on Windows Mobile phones first. A lot of people forget about Windows Mobile. So shut the f up with the copying bs.
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    06-03-2014 08:29 AM
  5. A895's Avatar
    I am seriously impressed, if you just look at the continuity and the seamless integration Apple introduced, you will question why hasn't this been implemented in Windows and Windows Phone yet.
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    06-03-2014 08:59 AM
  6. twint7787's Avatar
    I read a great comment on the verge yesterday and it really stuck with me.
    Basically it said that apple was carefully and surgically merging OSX and iOS into one platform and they compared that with what MS did and I am going to have to agree that up until now I think Apple did it better. People here defending or attacking one platform or another is juvenile. Apple just released a pretty significant upgrade to their IOS platform. Regardless of how they present their products (by often belittling others) you really don't have a leg to stand on if you are saying that this is not a significant update. I never thought I would be interested in their platform until now. I will wait to see how MS and Google respond, but I am absolutely impressed.
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    06-03-2014 09:19 AM
  7. Wall iPhone's Avatar
    Attending a phone call from an iPhone on your Mac. Do that with your Windows Phone/Windows 8.1.
    Actually this has been possible on Windows for many many years, ever heard of Skype?
    06-03-2014 09:50 AM
  8. A895's Avatar
    I read a great comment on the verge yesterday and it really stuck with me.
    Basically it said that apple was carefully and surgically merging OSX and iOS into one platform and they compared that with what MS did and I am going to have to agree that up until now I think Apple did it better. People here defending or attacking one platform or another is juvenile. Apple just released a pretty significant upgrade to their IOS platform. Regardless of how they present their products (by often belittling others) you really don't have a leg to stand on if you are saying that this is not a significant update. I never thought I would be interested in their platform until now. I will wait to see how MS and Google respond, but I am absolutely impressed.
    Same here I am waiting to see what Google has up it's sleeves at IO. For me it will between Moto X+1/X and the iPhone 6. They are going to be only devices that will stay in a size range that I can use with one hand.

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    06-03-2014 09:53 AM
  9. A895's Avatar
    Actually this has been possible on Windows for many many years, ever heard of Skype?
    So if I get a regular cellular call I can get it through Skype? Or can I text people from my computer or receives text messages and calls the same way Apple will be doing?

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    06-03-2014 09:55 AM
  10. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Competition is a great thing.

    Where is all mobile platforms headed..........Integration...........

    It's been the dream of Microsoft to have this across all platforms,and Apple is going to beat them at their own game. They will catch up,but,the damage is done.

    Giving out the API for the Home kit...simply brilliant......why,simple,competition and with that,cheaper prices for those interested in home automation. Get the prices down on the components more people will be interested in doing it.

    People are looking at this as a. " Us vs Them " when they shouldn't be.They should be looking at this from a consumer point of view in that what platforms will do more for me when implemented. Also...if one is stuck with one platform vs Apple,they should be asking" what is these new features going to do at Microsoft or Google...because if it does nothing,they fall behind.

    Some here are anti anything that isn't Microsoft,and you forget that competition drives the market. You moan when Apple or Google comes out with better implemented features and say we already have this or that..but if it is done better your bitter....

    I don't agree 100% with any of the big 3 on how they do everything,I look to who has the best for me.

    Some great features are being offered in IOS 8 and in Yosemite some borrowed and some new and they aren't meant to make a diehard Google or Microsoft fan switch,but give those already using Apple what they have been asking for and to keep them happy in it's ecosystem.

    Predicted text is just a start and no matter who has it now,they will always strive to make it easier and more accurate. Competition,is the driving force of the market,not complaining that the other guys are ahead.

    You either. Lead..Follow..or Move out of the way...............

    People have complained about the costs of the iPhones....have you seen the price for a 1020 or 1520 off contract? These are right in line with the iPhones.

    I personally wish both companies good luck 🍀 because I know that without one another it will not bode well for you and me.


    M
    06-03-2014 09:56 AM
  11. Orange Cat's Avatar
    So if I get a regular cellular call I can get it through Skype? Or can I text people from my computer or receives text messages and calls the same way Apple will be doing?
    You cannot. One of my favorite things from my brief time with Android was the apps that allowed me to do texting from my PC.
    06-03-2014 10:02 AM
  12. Ivin Laney's Avatar
    Competition is a great thing.

    Where is all mobile platforms headed..........Integration...........

    It's been the dream of Microsoft to have this across all platforms,and Apple is going to beat them at their own game. They will catch up,but,the damage is done.

    Giving out the API for the Home kit...simply brilliant......why,simple,competition and with that,cheaper prices for those interested in home automation. Get the prices down on the components more people will be interested in doing it.

    People are looking at this as a. " Us vs Them " when they shouldn't be.They should be looking at this from a consumer point of view in that what platforms will do more for me when implemented. Also...if one is stuck with one platform vs Apple,they should be asking" what is these new features going to do at Microsoft or Google...because if it does nothing,they fall behind.

    Some here are anti anything that isn't Microsoft,and you forget that competition drives the market. You moan when Apple or Google comes out with better implemented features and say we already have this or that..but if it is done better your bitter....

    I don't agree 100% with any of the big 3 on how they do everything,I look to who has the best for me.

    Some great features are being offered in IOS 8 and in Yosemite some borrowed and some new and they aren't meant to make a diehard Google or Microsoft fan switch,but give those already using Apple what they have been asking for and to keep them happy in it's ecosystem.

    Predicted text is just a start and no matter who has it now,they will always strive to make it easier and more accurate. Competition,is the driving force of the market,not complaining that the other guys are ahead.

    You either. Lead..Follow..or Move out of the way...............

    People have complained about the costs of the iPhones....have you seen the price for a 1020 or 1520 off contract? These are right in line with the iPhones.

    I personally wish both companies good luck because I know that without one another it will not bode well for you and me.


    M
    Exactly this. Great post!!
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    06-03-2014 10:06 AM
  13. z33dev33l's Avatar
    Competition is a great thing.

    Where is all mobile platforms headed..........Integration...........

    It's been the dream of Microsoft to have this across all platforms,and Apple is going to beat them at their own game. They will catch up,but,the damage is done.

    Giving out the API for the Home kit...simply brilliant......why,simple,competition and with that,cheaper prices for those interested in home automation. Get the prices down on the components more people will be interested in doing it.

    People are looking at this as a. " Us vs Them " when they shouldn't be.They should be looking at this from a consumer point of view in that what platforms will do more for me when implemented. Also...if one is stuck with one platform vs Apple,they should be asking" what is these new features going to do at Microsoft or Google...because if it does nothing,they fall behind.

    Some here are anti anything that isn't Microsoft,and you forget that competition drives the market. You moan when Apple or Google comes out with better implemented features and say we already have this or that..but if it is done better your bitter....

    I don't agree 100% with any of the big 3 on how they do everything,I look to who has the best for me.

    Some great features are being offered in IOS 8 and in Yosemite some borrowed and some new and they aren't meant to make a diehard Google or Microsoft fan switch,but give those already using Apple what they have been asking for and to keep them happy in it's ecosystem.

    Predicted text is just a start and no matter who has it now,they will always strive to make it easier and more accurate. Competition,is the driving force of the market,not complaining that the other guys are ahead.

    You either. Lead..Follow..or Move out of the way...............

    People have complained about the costs of the iPhones....have you seen the price for a 1020 or 1520 off contract? These are right in line with the iPhones.

    I personally wish both companies good luck because I know that without one another it will not bode well for you and me.


    M
    I agree with most of this. However, a 1020 or 1520 is hardly near a 5s off contract
    06-03-2014 10:12 AM
  14. A895's Avatar
    People have complained about the costs of the iPhones....have you seen the price for a 1020 or 1520 off contract? These are right in line with the iPhones.
    This. The Lumia Icon and Ativ SE are also up there off contract price wise. Saying an iPhone is expensive is hypocrisy when the best WPs are in the same price range.

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    06-03-2014 10:13 AM
  15. A895's Avatar
    I agree with most of this. However, a 1020 or 1520 is hardly near a 5s on contract
    What about the Lumia Icon? That is $599 off contract which is only $50 less than a iPhone. They are in the same range without a doubt. Touting Windows Phone as the Almighty price conscious devices when the high end devices is in the same range as other platforms is not fair.

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    06-03-2014 10:15 AM
  16. Orange Cat's Avatar
    Where is all mobile platforms headed..........Integration...........

    It's been the dream of Microsoft to have this across all platforms,and Apple is going to beat them at their own game. They will catch up,but,the damage is done.
    Agreed. Rather than merge the code of two OS's, Apple is setting up the desktop to reach into everything the phone can do. Ultimately, it may not be as robust as Threshold, but Apple is getting phase 1 out this year, whereas Threshold will be released to consumers (most likely) in Fall 2015. At that point, Apple will have iOS 9, aka phase 2, available.

    I have a Nokia Icon with WP 8.1. I was impressed by what Apple showed today. I am also a little down, like many people here, that several aspects of iOS 8 are better than what WP offers. This isn't a war, I'm not interested in seeing iPhones wiped from the face of the Earth, but I'd sure feel more comfortable if my ecosystem could get up to, say, 10% marketshare in the US (where I live).
    06-03-2014 10:16 AM
  17. mjrtoo's Avatar
    Actually this has been possible on Windows for many many years, ever heard of Skype?
    I don't think you understand, that's not what he's talking about, read about it a bit more, iOS 8 is bringing it hardcore.
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    06-03-2014 10:20 AM
  18. z33dev33l's Avatar
    This. The Lumia Icon and Ativ SE are also up there off contract price wise. Saying an iPhone is expensive is hypocrisy when the best WPs are in the same price range.

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    Best Windows Phone off contract is $549.
    Phone with same memory except non-expandable from Apple? $749
    06-03-2014 10:23 AM
  19. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    You know what IOS 8 won't have? Pureview!!

    Enough said.
    And Windows Phone 8.1 doesn't have PureView either.

    ​It's a hardware feature, not a software one.
    06-03-2014 10:30 AM
  20. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    Sigh...
    You do not need to install iTunes to charge iDevices. Also you don't need a computer to activate an iPhone and haven't for years (Since the iPhone 4 in 2010 i believe). Those 2 things are simply not true. This integration also works from iPhone to iPad and there are 200 million of those out there.

    I don't understand why you guys are so against Apple for doing something that makes peoples lives easier just because it may not make your life any easier. I love WP too but I'm not going to sit here and act like MS has the better implementation when they have NOTHING at the system level that competes with Apple's "continuity" in it's current form. Everyone keeps throwing around comparisions that are not even the same thing. WP+W8.1 does not have the same integration as OSX+iOS. It's a fact so let it go and hope MS copies it in the next release.
    Not everyone posting in this forum has an abhorrence for Apple. I think at least for me the underlying tone is there wasn't anything released at the WWDC conference that was revolutionary as I was expecting seeing how quiet Apple had been leading up to it. Usually they're pretty straight forward with what you can expect to see in advance of the unvieling. Again, I have nothing but respect for Apple and the products they produce, however what was announced that drops the bottom out of what MSFT products provide. I will admit that in some aspects it presents a more seemless transfer between devices, but ultimately that is a feature that I can and have utilized on my 1520 and Asus T100. I've started documents on my tablet and have edited them on my phone. As long as I have all my documents auto saved to One drive, I can access them on any device. Even Xbox. As for texting on a tablet...that has a place and I agree it's innovative, but if I'm texting, I would suspect that by mere human habit, most would be inclined to use their phones. If I'm ever in a situation where I have my phone and my tablet with me, I'm more liable to do phone centric functions on my phone, like texting. As to your scenerio as hypothetical as that sounds, it would satisfy that need. Of course the part about being attached to a wall would be negateted if Apple adopted wireless charging with their iphones, which is something I would have already expected. All in all some innovations expanded on ones that already existed, while others were finally implemented, that had been experienced on other ecosystems. It's clear that Apple, at least in this last WWDC isn't trying to take people away from Andriod or Windows Phone, but more or less trying to keep the base they already have content, which metrics would indicate, is where their focus should be, because they are loosing market share, and are predicted to continue to loose it. If I was an avid iOS user and OSX user, I'd be rather content with the presentation. At the same time, I don't think it was a knock out blow to Andriod or WP. The bigger question isn't so much the ecosystem, but the devices that it will run on and its presentation. Lets face it, we live in an optic society. We assess with our eyes first, and many will wait to see what the iPhone6 has to offer.
    06-03-2014 10:38 AM
  21. mrzees's Avatar
    Well said. Looking at the new features of iOS8 objectively and considering the rate at which features arrive on WP8 *regardless of 3 OTA updates per General update; I have to also admit that if the new iPhone 8 has a bigger screen (i.e. above 4.5) I'm going for it.
    NB I've had a WP Lumia 710, 800, 920 and 1020 and am using WP8.1

    On second thought, I'm so cortana rocks and so does onedrive integration. Hmmm maybe I should wait for MSFT/Nokia's next major handset offerings.
    06-03-2014 10:45 AM
  22. Orange Cat's Avatar
    I'll stick my head out here and say the family sharing of apps is a first. One person in the family can buy an app and share it with five other people? No other app store is allowing licenses to be shared like that.
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    06-03-2014 10:46 AM
  23. fonix232's Avatar
    Sigh...
    You do not need to install iTunes to charge iDevices. Also you don't need a computer to activate an iPhone and haven't for years (Since the iPhone 4 in 2010 i believe). Those 2 things are simply not true. This integration also works from iPhone to iPad and there are 200 million of those out there.
    Interesting, since I have a few friends with iPhones, and when they come to my place, they always ask me to charge their phones from my laptop. Their phones were NEVER recognized and they never even started charging unless I grabbed iTunes and installed it. So your statement pretty much fails there.
    I don't know about the activation, but I do remember a friend of mine getting a 5c just a few weeks back. I went with him to the store, the first thing that damned phone demanded was to get connected to iTunes (by the way, fresh out of the box, first time turned on device we're speaking about).

    And again, this integration can go s*ck d*ck as long as you only have one iDevice. Apple took a 180 degree turn on their way of doing things, the platform is not simple any more, and I can assure you there will be more and more clutter on the way.

    Why is it so hard to accept that Apple was late to the game, finally realized that they need to do what others been doing for years, and as soon as they tout it as "their" innovation, people would die to protect this lie?

    Android was never about integration. It works well in the Google ecosystem, but can import your information from various other platforms too (Facebook, Firefox Account, Microsoft, and if I recall right there was even an iAccount adapter too). It goes low-level (MTP was only generalized with the spread of the unified internal storage), and supports any OS it's connected to, to an extent. The nice thing is that it can be easily expanded so it works with a companion app. Crude method, but works.

    Windows Phone integrates into Windows a lot better. Using a custom MTP driver, you can easily access your storage, but MS would prefer if you used the cloud (can't blame them for that tho). Its syncing might not give the same level comfort as continuity, but it is rid of any of that systems stupidity (e.g. you get off from your computer to take a call, and bam it opens the document you were editing, while you did not need that). Both systems have their pros and cons, and sincerely, I am more used to MS's way, and I think it is more comfortable than continuity. And this comes from a guy who did the Metro transition easily (so I'm open to changes that MAKE SENSE).

    I don't understand why you guys are so against Apple for doing something that makes peoples lives easier just because it may not make your life any easier. I love WP too but I'm not going to sit here and act like MS has the better implementation when they have NOTHING at the system level that competes with Apple's "continuity" in it's current form. Everyone keeps throwing around comparisions that are not even the same thing. WP+W8.1 does not have the same integration as OSX+iOS. It's a fact so let it go and hope MS copies it in the next release.
    I'm not against them because they make people's lives easier. I'm against them because they tout their "innovation" which is 90% copy of other platforms already existing features, 5% slapping the i to the beginning, and 5% work on making it fit.

    It is indeed not the same, and I have to disagree, MS does it better. As I said before, while almost all WP users day-to-day computer runs Windows (hence, almost all WP user can enjoy the syncing, etcetera), only a minority of the iDevice users have another iDevice (let it be a computer, tablet, phone, whatever.). And you have to accept this. Just by being here on the forums, you represent the minority of the Apple users who know more than 5% of their phones' features, and use it. I'm happy that you can use continuity, be happy with it - but stop praising it as it was the first and best solution ever, for all. It might be the best for you, but again, the MAJORITY of the iDevice users will NEVER use it. Or use it once or twice, just like Siri.

    There was a time when Apple was innovative, spitting newer and better products at the market. But that time is long gone, and now they're trying to lessen the gap of features between iOS and other mobile platforms. Yes, iOS8 is a big change from 7, I agree on that. It brings great features that the platform missed for some time. But comparing it to e.g. Android, you'll see that almost all the features have been at the core of Android for the past few years.

    It also does not help on the image that the first thing they did during WWDC was to bash on Android. It's basically saying "my neighbour has such ****ty taste with all the garden decorations, they suck. But hey, I just bought and set up lots of the almost same decoration!".

    The problem here is that Apple is contradicting itself on multiple levels. Once their motto was "keep it simple, stupid". Now it's not true any more, because they brought in the features that make other platforms complex. Also, their unofficial motto has been for some time "Be different" (or "Think different", can't remember exactly). How is it being different if you're copying 90% of your new features from others?
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    06-03-2014 10:46 AM
  24. PxuLL's Avatar
    No one would expect wpcentral fans to love it neither will Android fans. So I don't see how your disappointed.
    06-03-2014 10:48 AM
  25. thepolicecall911fordetails's Avatar
    How is any of that the same thing Apple showed? Most of the things you listed are already being done in OSX (Safari Tab Sync, Keychain Password Sync, iWork in iCloud, Contacts sync accross platforms too). You saying most people won't use it is a stretch since you can't possible know that. It's not just about taking calls and texts. Its about the seemless handoff which MS does not have. It's about me sitting at my iMac typing a email, getting up and instantly finishing where I left off on my iPad or iPhone. It's about sitting on the couch with my iPad while my phone is charging and texting with it instead of being tethered to a wall. Just that to me is beyond useful. I think everyone is also forgeting that this also works on the iPad with the iPhone. There are 100s of millions of iPads out there. In fact more than any single other tablet. So theres that.
    I'm saying that if I wanted a phone with the same specs and I'm under a budget, I would get the lumia 521 and I did.
    06-03-2014 10:59 AM
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