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  1. astondg's Avatar
    3) HealthKit: This is a brand new feature in iOS8. Health app will gather the information you choose from your various health apps and fitness devices, and provides you with a clear and current overview in one place.
    Bing Health and Fitness is backed by Microsoft Health Vault which integrates with a number of services and devices (including Fitbit, medical imaging services and devices like scales and blood pressure monitors). I understand that Microsoft also has a standing in the health community, providing enterprise services, so it would be great if they can leverage that and expand Health Vault and the Windows/Windows Phone apps to give you complete view of your official medical history across practitioners and hospitals. This seemed to be were Apple was hoping to go.

    10) Cand Mac: You can Handoff to start an activity on one device and finish on another, along with Instant Hotspot and the ability to make and receive calls and send SMS and MMS messages from your Mac or iPad.
    1. Handoff: From Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8.1 there is a high level of OS settings sync between devices as well as integration between the 'native' apps (like shared tabs in IE) and devs are encouraged to extend this syncing to their own apps. This means there is a level of 'leave off on desktop pick up on phone' or vice versa (take OneNote as an example with its syncing notes) BUT one big thing that is absent is draft emails and Apple's implementation is nicer in that it seems the OS keeps track of what apps are open and exactly where you are in those apps so you can jump right in on any device.

    2. Instant Hotspot: Windows 8.1 lets you pair your Windows Phone 8 device via Bluetooth and once that's done the device always appears in your WiFi list, if you 'connect' to it then it turns on Internet sharing on the device and connects. Unfortunately it only works about 30-40% of the time for me.

    3. Calls, SMS, iMessage: I wish this would come to Windows and I wish Skype could work like iMessage. I know iMessage has had it's issues but compared to Skype messaging it feels seamless and natural.
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    06-02-2014 11:05 PM
  2. mike13ftw's Avatar
    Can they bring third party keyboards on Windows phone too?
    06-02-2014 11:10 PM
  3. jojoe42's Avatar
    Bing Health and Fitness is backed by Microsoft Health Vault which integrates with a number of services and devices (including Fitbit, medical imaging services and devices like scales and blood pressure monitors). I understand that Microsoft also has a standing in the health community, providing enterprise services, so it would be great if they can leverage that and expand Health Vault and the Windows/Windows Phone apps to give you complete view of your official medical history across practitioners and hospitals. This seemed to be were Apple was hoping to go.



    1. Handoff: From Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8.1 there is a high level of OS settings sync between devices as well as integration between the 'native' apps (like shared tabs in IE) and devs are encouraged to extend this syncing to their own apps. This means there is a level of 'leave off on desktop pick up on phone' or vice versa (take OneNote as an example with its syncing notes) BUT one big thing that is absent is draft emails and Apple's implementation is nicer in that it seems the OS keeps track of what apps are open and exactly where you are in those apps so you can jump right in on any device.

    2. Instant Hotspot: Windows 8.1 lets you pair your Windows Phone 8 device via Bluetooth and once that's done the device always appears in your WiFi list, if you 'connect' to it then it turns on Internet sharing on the device and connects. Unfortunately it only works about 30-40% of the time for me.

    3. Calls, SMS, iMessage: I wish this would come to Windows and I wish Skype could work like iMessage. I know iMessage has had it's issues but compared to Skype messaging it feels seamless and natural.
    Yeah I was really expecting the same kind of Continuity feature to be present on Windows first (tbh the way Apple have implemented it is fantastic, but the fact that you need a Mac costing an arm and a leg to do it, meh :P ) - it's this kind of functionality I am looking forward to in future versions of Windows. I think once MS 'catches up' Windows 8.1, Windows Phone and Xbox Ones' features to the same level (same kernel, same code, similar UI) then we will start to see some awesome features and other stuff shine through. They're just doing the groundwork now so they can move forward later on at a faster rate. Hopefully it's not too late, though.
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    06-03-2014 12:59 AM
  4. anony_mouse's Avatar
    As far as I can see, almost everything new in ios8 comes from Android and other services you almost certainly use already. Actionable notifications, intents, composing email across devices, Dropbox, third party keyboards are things I use everyday on my Moto G. Most of them worked on my HTC Desire in 2010. It's good that Apple are finally catching up as it gives us more choices, but there's really very little new here. It highlights just how far behind Apple have fallen.

    The most interesting additions are the new enterprise device management tools. They could help Apple get further in the corporate market.
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    06-03-2014 01:41 AM
  5. Chregu's Avatar
    Windows Phone : Oct/Nov 2010 - Current.
    iOS : June 2007 - Current.

    Are you really surprised WP is playing catch-up? People don't give WP and BB10 credit for how far they've came in such a short period of time.
    And before that Windows Mobile for years and years.
    06-03-2014 01:47 AM
  6. astondg's Avatar
    It highlights just how far behind Apple have fallen.
    I think that's being unfair. I didn't watch the presentation but
    1. I don't think Apple is claiming this stuff is new
    2. Saying they 'have fallen behind' just because there are features iOS doesn't have that Android/WP/BB/etc. already have discounts the things iOS and iPhone has that others don't (a basic example, the fingerprint scanner implementation was new to this segment of phones)
    3. Apple is building the hardware and software here but in terms of innovation they are being held up against the combo of Google and all third party OEMS. Apple can't be 'innovative' or the first in everything all at once and when they aren't it doesn't necessarily mean they have stopped being innovative or fallen behind the others
    4. It's not just having these features, it's how they're implemented. Composing email is probably a bad example in this context because I'm sure with my iPhone 4 I could save drafts to the gmail server and then pick them up from Mail in OSX but this 'new' feature from Apple is about picking up your work seamlessly across multiple apps and devices.


    Apple may not always do things first and when they do them they often aren't as customisable or 'power user' as other platforms BUT they are frequently very user friendly and work 'straight out of the box' just like you'd expect and to me that's innovation as well.

    Apple aren't special in the sense that they aren't the only ones innovating and they certainly aren't immune to issues/buggy software/etc. but I also think 'innovating' is more than just thinking up the next new feature and I think Apple are still in the lead pack (along with Google, Samsung, etc.).

    I see a lot of what Microsoft is doing in the same light too, these are things I like about Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8.
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    06-03-2014 02:15 AM
  7. Musaib124's Avatar
    IOS 8 makes tha already pefect apple os More perfect and is now leading and many steps ahead of Android WP and other mobile os as they give u now almost most simplest and fastest way to use a Phone.
    06-03-2014 02:20 AM
  8. AndrewL920's Avatar
    https://www.apple.com/ios/ios8/ I red this article and I am not amazed. iOS8's new features and so called "innovations" have these features since WP8.
    Donny James and neo158 like this.
    06-03-2014 02:41 AM
  9. Tahiti Bob's Avatar
    This is how I read the forums in here:
    - 2010: NoDo will change everything
    - 2011: Mango will change everything
    - 2012: Windows Phone 8 will change everything
    - 2013: Windows Phone 8.1 will change everything
    - 2014: Threshold will change everything

    I will agree that WP8.1 is a great step forward but the thing is Android and iOS are not stale and waiting for WP to catch up. With 3 updates a year, Microsoft has the opportunity and the duty to offer some iOS8 features without us having to wait for WP9.
    06-03-2014 02:51 AM
  10. meddyrainzo's Avatar
    This is how I read the forums in here:
    - 2010: NoDo will change everything
    - 2011: Mango will change everything
    - 2012: Windows Phone 8 will change everything
    - 2013: Windows Phone 8.1 will change everything
    - 2014: Threshold will change everything

    I will agree that WP8.1 is a great step forward but the thing is Android and iOS are not stale and waiting for WP to catch up. With 3 updates a year, Microsoft has the opportunity and the duty to offer some iOS8 features without us having to wait for WP9.
    Boom! I don't see why we have to wait for another year to have a "dev preview" of what came out this year on other devices.
    MS has to step up and deliver in the GDRs rather than saving everything for a big announcement in a year to come.
    I'll give the WP team some credit though; they've really been listening to users(files app etc) but they just have to be faster with the execution of things. That's my only gripe with them
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    06-03-2014 03:05 AM
  11. nalle76's Avatar
    Siri getting support for 22 new languages, working in every region already.... Cortana needs quickly to add language support and at minimum let people use it without being forced to set up their phones strictly to us settings.
    06-03-2014 03:25 AM
  12. desitunez's Avatar
    Looking at some of the stuff from the conference...

    The improvements in Mail are pretty awesome. Actionable notifications are decent.

    iCloud and Siri adding functionality, but OneDrive and Cortana are still better.

    But man... Swift replacing Objective C is HUGE. Wow.
    This!!! , this will shutup excuses like we changed from WP7 to WP8 ( it was major kernel change to NT ) lol.. !
    06-03-2014 06:04 AM
  13. vlmirano's Avatar
    hmm no I don't think so. first off, WP8.1 has the Word Flow. Cortana has the music identifier before Siri had one. Multitasking, I think WP8 has that ability already. onedrive has better sync between PC and windows phone. also the integration of PC and phone is also evident with Windows 8.1 and WP 8.1 so I dunno how IOS8 was able to let say "beat" WP8.1 of course that is considering that Windows Phone 8 was only out for like 2 to 3 years I think. yeah let's admit that Windows Phone OS is playing catch up with IOS and Android but knowing how fast they were able to improve their system is impressive. Of course its easy to base things on sales and stuff. but the thing is, other people are not well informed when it comes to what WP and Nokia can offer that they think its still the Nokia of old days or the "boring" Microsoft. and other just won't admit that a new OS or hardware is looking pretty slick and probably better than what they have in their hands or pockets because that will invalidate their claims that they are the superior OS and hardware. then there's the issue of apps, well how many years did Apple and Android took to reach as many as millions of apps compared to the number of apps that WP has and continue to increase each day? just my two cents. of course everyone's entitled to their opinions.
    06-03-2014 06:05 AM
  14. Chregu's Avatar
    hmm no I don't think so. first off, WP8.1 has the Word Flow. Cortana has the music identifier before Siri had one. Multitasking, I think WP8 has that ability already. onedrive has better sync between PC and windows phone. also the integration of PC and phone is also evident with Windows 8.1 and WP 8.1 so I dunno how IOS8 was able to let say "beat" WP8.1 of course that is considering that Windows Phone 8 was only out for like 2 to 3 years I think. yeah let's admit that Windows Phone OS is playing catch up with IOS and Android but knowing how fast they were able to improve their system is impressive. Of course its easy to base things on sales and stuff. but the thing is, other people are not well informed when it comes to what WP and Nokia can offer that they think its still the Nokia of old days or the "boring" Microsoft. and other just won't admit that a new OS or hardware is looking pretty slick and probably better than what they have in their hands or pockets because that will invalidate their claims that they are the superior OS and hardware. then there's the issue of apps, well how many years did Apple and Android took to reach as many as millions of apps compared to the number of apps that WP has and continue to increase each day? just my two cents. of course everyone's entitled to their opinions.
    Regardless of the fact that I always thought the "Microsoft is just new to the game" argument is not valid, as we should measure the quality of a product based on the competition, and Microsoft actually isn't new to the game, as they released a phone OS when nobody knew an iPhone would ever exist (Windows Mobile), I kept on buying Windows Phone devices after using Windows Mobile for years.

    But the time Microsoft needs to catch up is just enormous. Of course, Windows Phone 8.1 is much of an improvement, but Windows Phone 8 didn't offer more than Windows Phone 7 two years before feature-wise.

    Personally i have reached the point I'm just tired of waiting. And being behind won't make people switch to this platform either.
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    06-03-2014 06:13 AM
  15. Jan Tomsic's Avatar
    Now I want to have macbook and iphone now... :(

    Macbook now can using phone calling, texting, continue typing an unfinished email,... from iphone/ipad.
    Technically... If you're working on macbook and need an iphone/ipad feature, you just use it on macbook!!!
    You don't even need to connect your iphone/ipad to macbook via USB cable...
    OSX now have an Aero-like UI and Widget support. Those features that windows used to have...
    Messenger on OSX now support all skype-like features and even more...

    Meanwhile, my Lumia520 can't do anything with my Surface pro 2...
    And Windows8.1 don't even have a Notification Center!
    Skype can't even show preview of sending photos and I can't even make a group call on WP8.1 !!!!!!!!!


    Microsoft are too slow again!
    I guess it is convenient to be able to answer your phone trough computer, otherwise I use a computer for 99 other things then just checking notifications (which are extremely distracting on my phone and tablet already, and I still get email notifications in W8), so I'd never check that. Aero-like transparency
    is nice, but distracting at best, and there's more to the computer then transparency and mail. Snapping windows is extremely important to me, and navigating OS with keyboard, rather then gestures, which are usually inconsistent on different devices, unlike keyboard shortcuts that have been more or less unchanged since I can remember (Windows 95)
    Cloud integration is great, something that windows 8 had and 8.1 made even better (if not perfect). You can continue writing an unfinished mail from your phone on your pc, because it gets saved in drafts.
    To me OSX is very unappealing, with poor window management, menu bars on top of the screen instead of on top of the window they belong to, maximize works in a weird way, there's no windows snapping, icons on the desktop are scattered randomly, dock is horrible, especially once you have more things there, it looks cluttered and ugly, at least with new icons it will probably look better, but that's the problem, it's all about how it looks then functionality.

    Recently I had to create a simple shell script on OSX, it took me way longer then it should because:
    - right clicking on desktop doesn't give me an option to create new text document
    - once I finally found an app used as a notepad (I had to google it), I had hard time figuring out where the special characters are $ / ! @... because keyboards are unmarked and keyboard layout is not standard (I know Slovene keyboard layout by heart, and even though that mac was set to slovene keyboard, I was still lost)
    - I think I didn't even find a way to save the file as .sh, so in the end I used terminal to 'touch script.sh' to create a new file that I edited later somehow.

    In the end it worked, but I was googling how to perform simplest tasks half the time. I started with Windows 3.1 and moved my way up to 8.1 and things were always logical to me and were where they should be, even when I upgraded to W8. And I find Ubuntu just as simple to use, yet I had problems with OSX. I guess if I were using macs for last 10 years I'd be used to it, but if someone gave me a choice between a macbook and a nice sleek windows laptop, I'd take windows in a heartbeat.
    I don't think M$ is slow with it's desktop OS, especially since they made it so you can run pretty much the same app on PC, tablet and phone with minimal change in the code required, I think that's very advanced, people are just too afraid to give W8(.1) a chance.
    With WP they are slow a little, but what's there, works great. Cortana came very late to the party, yet from what I've read, it's better and more useful than Siri, for example.
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    06-03-2014 06:54 AM
  16. Jan Tomsic's Avatar
    Boom! I don't see why we have to wait for another year to have a "dev preview" of what came out this year on other devices.
    MS has to step up and deliver in the GDRs rather than saving everything for a big announcement in a year to come.
    I'll give the WP team some credit though; they've really been listening to users(files app etc) but they just have to be faster with the execution of things. That's my only gripe with them
    I've come to the point in my life when I rather wait for a thing a bit longer, and that thing is higher quality because of that.
    The slide keyboard they made was also late to the (Android) party, but it's near perfect (for supported languages at least).

    It's a good thing that you can buy iPhone, Android based phone or WP phone, all in the same store, all there so you have more choice. No one is forcing us to buy anything really, it's all our choice in the end, and if you're not happy, you can get the other one.
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    06-03-2014 07:01 AM
  17. DaT Franchise's Avatar
    LMFAO!!! I love how people think IOS is on the cutting edge of os features hahahaha, IOS is behind Android by a ways, the whole lift phone to face to go directly to listen to messages, my note 2 would do that years ago, you could be in a text thread and all you had to do is put your phone to your ear and it would call that person.
    Android has had scrollable notifications for over a year, smart video and smart screen, screen tap codes and gestures!! Apple = copy then sue. But but IOS has a fingerprint scanner, umm so did a laptop I had 8 years ago, but but it has a blood pressure monitor, umm theres been apps that do the same thing for years.

    As far as MS goes you cant beat it for overall performance (battery life and smoothness) but is light years behind on what the os has to offer as far as features (not talking about apps) look at what LG and Sammy are doing with android, yes some things are a joke/ gimmick but some of the things are really nice to have and do make for a nice user experience.

    Ms does need to step it up asap because once LG and Sammy get there hands on the 805 or 811 snapdragon combined with 4k if Microsoft hasn't closed the gap some its going to be game over.
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    06-03-2014 07:37 AM
  18. Chregu's Avatar
    LMFAO!!! I love how people think IOS is on the cutting edge of os features hahahaha, IOS is behind Android by a ways, the whole lift phone to face to go directly to listen to messages, my note 2 would do that years ago, you could be in a text thread and all you had to do is put your phone to your ear and it would call that person.
    Android has had scrollable notifications for over a year, smart video and smart screen, screen tap codes and gestures!! Apple = copy then sue. But but IOS has a fingerprint scanner, umm so did a laptop I had 8 years ago, but but it has a blood pressure monitor, umm theres been apps that do the same thing for years.

    As far as MS goes you cant beat it for overall performance (battery life and smoothness) but is light years behind on what the os has to offer as far as features (not talking about apps) look at what LG and Sammy are doing with android, yes some things are a joke/ gimmick but some of the things are really nice to have and do make for a nice user experience.

    Ms does need to step it up asap because once LG and Sammy get there hands on the 805 or 811 snapdragon combined with 4k if Microsoft hasn't closed the gap some its going to be game over.
    Even my local newspaper was writing an article about the fact that Apple introduced only features that are already available on Android. And I agree.

    iOS still feels much more elegant to me, and much less fragmented than Android. Also, in comparison to Windows Phone it might just have this edge.

    On a personal note, beginning a thread with "LMFAO!!!" doesn't make people take you more seriously, it's rather the opposite effect.
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    06-03-2014 07:48 AM
  19. A895's Avatar
    Not overkill, but a damn good update. The continuity in iOS 8 and OS X is what should have been in Windows Phone and Windows from the get go.
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    06-03-2014 07:57 AM
  20. Donny James's Avatar
    IOS 8 makes tha already pefect apple os More perfect and is now leading and many steps ahead of Android WP and other mobile os as they give u now almost most simplest and fastest way to use a Phone.
    A Perfect OS doesn't need improvements. Perfect is an absolute. There's no such thing as more perfect. My point is the OS was not perfect. It's good but not perfect. No software is perfect.
    06-03-2014 08:15 AM
  21. Donny James's Avatar
    Boom! I don't see why we have to wait for another year to have a "dev preview" of what came out this year on other devices.
    MS has to step up and deliver in the GDRs rather than saving everything for a big announcement in a year to come.
    I'll give the WP team some credit though; they've really been listening to users(files app etc) but they just have to be faster with the execution of things. That's my only gripe with them
    I think they need to hire more developers and testers. I get the feeling the Nokia dev team will not help speed things up.
    06-03-2014 08:18 AM
  22. Jazmac's Avatar
    Oh god, I didn't say any thing about WP, I thought asked what features do you find so great in IOS 8 ?
    Siri/Shazaam, Family Share, Notification Center, Health kit, Quick type and support for 3rd party keyboards like Swype, Messaging, Phone calls that show up on your Mac, answering messages in your lock screen but that is a lot of Yosemite, but mostly, this thing called "Continuity". That is going to bring a lot of folks to Apple IMHO. My wife has already signaled her impatience with WP 8 and is looking in that direction. You don't have to agree, but I'm telling you nothing draws a sharper distinction than seeing a demo of what the phone can do vs. a discussion of what may "eventually" show up on the platform. Android IMHO will feel this. If Apple drops a larger phone as expected as supported by its new SDK, Sammy will return to making TV's and refrigerators full time.
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    06-03-2014 08:55 AM
  23. DaT Franchise's Avatar
    even my local newspaper was writing an article about the fact that apple introduced only features that are already available on android. And i agree.

    Ios still feels much more elegant to me, and much less fragmented than android. Also, in comparison to windows phone it might just have this edge.

    On a personal note, beginning a thread with "lmfao!!!" doesn't make people take you more seriously, it's rather the opposite effect.
    lmfao
    06-03-2014 09:10 AM
  24. Ivin Laney's Avatar
    Sammy will return to making TV's and refrigerators full time.
    One can only hope :)
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    06-03-2014 09:24 AM
  25. hidayat225's Avatar
    iOS really does have that premium aura for a regular customers and developers. Their presentation from what I've seen from the Verge short cut out looks fun though.
    06-03-2014 09:28 AM
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