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  1. EC Translating Services's Avatar
    Key *NEW* Features!
    -Bigger Display (like everyone else)
    -NFC (like everyone else)
    -Optical Image Stabilization (like everyone else)
    -Best Shot (like everyone else)
    -Swipey Keyboard (like everyone else)
    -Available in 16GB, skips 32GB and gouges for 64GB (unlike everyone else)

    But seriously, it does seem like they got some things right, simply because they have such a huge following. The catching up to tech available on other platforms is a huge thing for iPhone users, and the press there is practically wetting their pants. Notable things was the phase detection focus on the camera, the video modes with 240fps, and the pretty secure sounding ePayment system.

    What did you think?
    I think in terms of specs (except the 64-bit) it'll make it just barely enough to be on par with devices that are already getting old. By the time it's out you'll have octacores widespread, Android L coming out, W Threshold etc. (with the cameras that are second to none) and still subpar displays in terms of size, which won't fit phablet users. I don't expect significant market share gains outside the US and a few other English speaking countries where the hype of the US has an impact.
    09-11-2014 12:16 AM
  2. StephanW's Avatar
    I was referring to your because of the iPhone there is a Windows Phone statement. I was simply stating that the smartphone did not begin with Apple.
    Disagree: The smart phone was indeed not Apple's invention but we can't really say that phone's pre-iPhone era are smart, can we? So in some way Apple invented the smart phone we know today, right?

    Yup. The lack of apps for this platform has been bemoaned ad nauseum. It's not a new problem and I'm not sure it will ever be resolved - thank heavens I'm old as dirt and don't really care about apps as much as the younger set.

    Apple's pay system is Google wallet redux. And the iPhone 6 is wholly unimpressive - it's a Nexus 4 with iOS. Yipee.

    And as far as the watch goes - I don't see the point - not just Apple's offering; anyone else's for that matter. The concept is ridiculous at best - it's just trying to manufacture a need at this point. Just like Google Glass.

    And the "law" in Canada I was talking about? I was just messin' with ya.
    I can't see the need of a watch as well. Because I don't wear one now, and I haven't got an iPhone anyway. There must be people who will start wearing that Apple Watch because of the first word in the products name. Still no issue with that. Google Glass, got no idea where that goes to except for the professional industry.

    Apple's Pay system is Google Wallet + major companies behind it. That's the difference in my eyes. And I can't think of an other company "trying" to change the way we pay. It's not that Apple wants to change the way you pay. You're not forced to do anything - I see that in comments here, people think when Apple comes with something you have to use it - I've used my iPhone and never used some services. I like the idea that Apple wants to help you to stop carrying your credidcard with you. Which is a nice first step. Together with the competition it will lead to an improvement in the way we pay, I believe.

    Oh and about hardware: You can't compare. The device is running iOS. Windows Phones have Windows, and Samsung's have Android. It's wrong to think that an iPhone with 1GB RAM + iOS would be less good than a Nokia 1520 with 2GB RAM + Windows Phone 8.1. It's how the OS works with the available hardware. Same with NFC, yes it has only now arrived. My girlfriend has NFC on her phone and I've never ever seen her do something with it. Apple only uses NFC now for Apple Pay. Future may say NFC is really needed ....
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    09-11-2014 04:18 AM
  3. AG VK's Avatar
    Aside from the fact we have had NFC and larger screens for a while now - yeah - we are still playing catch up to Apple. Good observation
    Please name some useful things you can do with the NFC function on WP. Please also elucidate how one may use WP with tap-to-pay NFC terminals. Once you do so, you can continue on your daily FUD trip.
    09-11-2014 06:16 AM
  4. Witness's Avatar

    Well, he's no longer around to stop Tim from doing it.
    Just talked to my friend from Apple yesterday. It's interesting you mention that. We all know the late Steve have a very specific design in mind, and yes it did hold back many innovations that could have been on the iPhone that we see in other hardware such as Samsung specifically. I said to him, "the iPhone 5 was the last of Job's design, and I can really see that this is now Cook's gig." He agreed pretty enthused, and said a lot of his peers are happy about the change - "he gets it," referring to Tim.

    The funny thing about this is that he is seeing it pretty differently from the way I do. Up until this announcement, his opinion was that the iPhone 5 was the ****. He even brushed off comments about the lack of NFC (I've brought up NFC before to him) saying they didn't need it. Yet, he describes this collective sigh of relief that they are now shipping a new phone... no TWO new phones of different sizes, and with a bunch of new hardware (a bunch comparative to what they've done in the past), and also a new watch... no, it's going to be like FIFTEEN watches very soon! A **** ton of SKUs. This, Jobs never would have done. And so, this is the new flavor of Kool Aid the iPhone guys drink. The employees drink it pure with more sugar, and less water mixed in. They would never allow themselves to be caught dead using anything other than an iPhone of no less than one generation behind on the Cupertino campus, and even the stores not because of choice, but their employment or promotion depends on it.

    Anyways, end rant. I know they bought quite a few Windows Phones when Cortana launched. They're playing with her. Expect them to rip off what Cortana does soon.
    09-12-2014 12:00 PM
  5. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Please name some useful things you can do with the NFC function on WP. Please also elucidate how one may use WP with tap-to-pay NFC terminals. Once you do so, you can continue on your daily FUD trip.
    A lot of things:
    1) Efficient bluetooth handshakes for seamless & code less pairing (i.e instant audio play when using a jbl speaker)
    2) Tap & send data (documents, files) from on device to another which has NFC & Bluetooth
    3) Pay with your phone
    4) Use your phone as a travel card (points 3 & 4 Japan had this tech in use for over a decade, the only reason WP and any other implementation that uses secure sims can't use it is because of the Carriers.. who are too damn slow)


    WP still does not have NFC payment, which is the major feature of Apple's NFC. WP's NFC is still quite limited in function.
    Actually it does (see screenshot), Apple's implementation includes the secure element inside the phone therefore by passing the carrier and the way MS implemented it relies on the secure element in a sim - (secure sim, MS calls it a payment sim) which only orange rolled it out in 2011 and only the big carriers in the UK started trialling from feb 2014. NFC payment tech has been out for years but it was not mainstream, the so called contactless payment system (the irony, you still need to touch the reader for it to work :P) is becoming mainstream now since you can find it majority of the retail shops like tesco, sainsburys etc.

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    09-12-2014 12:13 PM
  6. Witness's Avatar
    Starting a post like this on a forum like this makes me say: You're jealous that you can't afford (well, let's say simply won't buy) the iPhone 6. And don't be shy because I'm also banging my head on every single stone for leaving iOS and Apple's hardware because it's better, every second I use the 1320 it just doesn't do the trick.

    Yes, it may have the same hardware but it's simple: A car is a car. But a Rolls isn't a Dacia ;-) and that's just it. They make it in such a way that people want it, including me and many many more people here on this forum.
    Can't afford? (Looks at Surface Pro 3 256GB to the right, thinks for a moment about the XBOX One, thinks a moment more about that PS4 that might get bought) You're right, maybe I just won't buy, and maybe I would buy. If you read my thread, I'm not just knocking the new iPhone. Now, since you're not really a WP guy, in a WPC Forum, you would probably laugh at a similar announcement from MS if it was something that has long been available on iPhones-so don't even. I do think it's got some good things to offer, and it's the first time I'm even considering to buy it. Not as much primary phone. As the phone I have to buy simply because there are a few apps that are not on WP, and this might be a good time because they finally put some tech into it to be current with the times. As a daily driver, my L920 is waaaay more efficient. If you really know how to use your 1320, try doing the same tasks on the iPhone - it is much more fiddly. Now, I'm not insulting you here, it's just that sometimes I hear complaints that come from folks not know how to use their phone effectively. MS needs to do better in demonstrating this to the customers actually.

    Their ePayment strategy is quite devious. They haven't even launched the iP6, yet they already have merchants that are ready to take payments from their unreleased phones. Do you know how? They're using Google's NFC terminals that are already there. Well, that must **** them off. They're also taking 0.5% in fees for each transaction. Pretty good idea. Knowing how Apple does what it does, do you really want them to be a dominate player in the payment space?
    09-12-2014 12:19 PM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    Actually it does (see screenshot), Apple's implementation includes the secure element inside the phone therefore by passing the carrier and the way MS implemented it relies on the secure element in a sim - (secure sim, MS calls it a payment sim) which only orange rolled it out in 2011 and only the big carriers in the UK started trialling from feb 2014.
    Maybe WP technically has it, but you can't use it. Not every required component is in place. Microsoft will either need to work around the secure element issue like Google did and Apple is doing, or get whatever app is missing.

    the so called contactless payment system (the irony, you still need to touch the reader for it to work :P)
    I just returned from lunch at McDonald's, where I paid for my meal with NFC. My phone did not touch the reader. You do need to be very close, but it's not technically necessary to touch. It usually does touch though because of how close you need to be.
    09-12-2014 12:44 PM
  8. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Maybe WP technically has it, but you can't use it. Not every required component is in place. Microsoft will either need to work around the secure element issue like Google did and Apple is doing, or get whatever app is missing.
    You did not even read what I said. jeez, I said it needs a Secure Sim for it to work, everything else is in place, Apple's method places the secure element inside the phone for the provisioning therefore you do not such a sim thereby negating the need to even involve the carriers.

    I just returned from lunch at McDonald's, where I paid for my meal with NFC. My phone did not touch the reader. You do need to be very close, but it's not technically necessary to touch. It usually does touch though because of how close you need to be.
    I know how contactless works and most implementations (If not all, use Visa's implementation) I have seen require the user to touch the reader & hold their card or phone onto the reader for it to work.

    Here is a snippet from their website:

    Just touch your Visa contactless card to the contactless reader and hold until you hear the beep and the display confirms your transaction has been successful.

    Contactless payments
    09-12-2014 01:28 PM
  9. tgp's Avatar
    You did not even read what I said. jeez, I said it needs a Secure Sim for it to work, everything else is in place, Apple's method places the secure element inside the phone for the provisioning therefore you do not such a sim thereby negating the need to even involve the carriers.
    Yes I read what you wrote! I believe what's missing in WP is the ISIS (now Softcard) app. I do not understand how this all works, but I do know that as of now you cannot use a WP for NFC payment. Apple & Google completely bypass ISIS. Apple worked around the carriers' blocking with hardware, and Google did it with software. WP has not yet done it.

    Again, it is currently impossible to use a WP for NFC payment.

    I know how contactless works and most implementations (If not all, use Visa's implementation) I have seen require the user to touch the reader & hold their card or phone onto the reader for it to work.
    Well maybe certain readers require actual touching, but I do know that McDonald's readers don't. I have to get my phone very close, like within 1/4" or so, but touching is not required.

    But hey, I wouldn't expect you to be familiar with the little details if you're not yet using it. I've been using it since early 2013. Believe me, I've been there and done that when it comes to NFC tap to pay! When I first started using it, it was very unreliable. I quickly learned to have my credit card out and handy in case tap to pay didn't work.
    09-12-2014 01:52 PM
  10. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Yes I read what you wrote! I believe what's missing in WP is the ISIS (now Softcard) app. I do not understand how this all works, but I do know that as of now you cannot use a WP for NFC payment. Apple & Google completely bypass ISIS. Apple worked around the carriers' blocking with hardware, and Google did it with software. WP has not yet done it.

    Again, it is currently impossible to use a WP for NFC payment.
    Fair enough , however you are incorrect in saying it is impossible for WP to make NFC Payments and is solely dependent on AT&T, Verizon & T-mobile's collaborative group. That is only true for the US not the rest of the world otherwise Orange wouldn't have been able to roll this out back in 2011, if you don't believe me watch Joe belfiore's key note (20:00 to 26:00).

    Windows Phone Summit | Channel 9

    Contactless Technology for your Mobile with Orange | Store-Orange

    Well maybe certain readers require actual touching, but I do know that McDonald's readers don't. I have to get my phone very close, like within 1/4" or so, but touching is not required.

    But hey, I wouldn't expect you to be familiar with the little details if you're not yet using it. I've been using it since early 2013. Believe me, I've been there and done that when it comes to NFC tap to pay! When I first started using it, it was very unreliable. I quickly learned to have my credit card out and handy in case tap to pay didn't work.
    Fair enough as you have first hand experience in regards to NFC tap to pay, however like I said it varies from implementation to implementation hence some require physical contact others need to be very close but not touching. The current implementation that is widely in use in the UK is Visa's "contactless" payment system. Which requires you to touch the reader & hold until authentication completes.

    Also I have been following this since I heard rumours of the citi bank trial, as I said previously NFC payment tech has been around 4+ years and the adoption rate has been very slow.

    Citi launches NFC payments pilot in India - Mobile Commerce Daily - Payments
    09-12-2014 04:51 PM
  11. carlos12001's Avatar
    Fair enough , however you are incorrect in saying it is impossible for WP to make NFC Payments and is solely dependent on AT&T, Verizon & T-mobile's collaborative group. That is only true for the US not the rest of the world otherwise Orange wouldn't have been able to roll this out back in 2011, if you don't believe me watch Joe belfiore's key note (20:00 to 26:00).

    Windows Phone Summit | Channel 9

    Contactless Technology for your Mobile with Orange | Store-Orange



    Fair enough as you have first hand experience in regards to NFC tap to pay, however like I said it varies from implementation to implementation hence some require physical contact others need to be very close but not touching. The current implementation that is widely in use in the UK is Visa's "contactless" payment system. Which requires you to touch the reader & hold until authentication completes.

    Also I have been following this since I heard rumours of the citi bank trial, as I said previously NFC payment tech has been around 4+ years and the adoption rate has been very slow.

    Citi launches NFC payments pilot in India - Mobile Commerce Daily - Payments
    It won't be anymore thanks to Apple.
    09-13-2014 04:52 PM
  12. tgp's Avatar
    Fair enough , however you are incorrect in saying it is impossible for WP to make NFC Payments
    Has it ever actually happened?
    09-13-2014 05:06 PM
  13. TechFreak1's Avatar
    It won't be anymore thanks to Apple.
    If anything it would be speed up the adoption rate from carriers, as they wouldn't risk alienating customers that don't use iphones. The only thing that carriers care about is their bottom line. The easiest way to see your profits plummet is to alienate a section of users whilst pandering to another segment of users.

    Has it ever actually happened?
    Yeah, I had an inkling you'd disregard everything I said and respond back with a obscure response hah .
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    09-13-2014 10:37 PM
  14. StephanW's Avatar
    Anyone willing to buy my 1320? I don't want it anymore. I've started a hate against it because apps are slow and not what they are on the iPad and iPhone.
    09-15-2014 08:39 AM
  15. Witness's Avatar
    Anyone willing to buy my 1320? I don't want it anymore. I've started a hate against it because apps are slow and not what they are on the iPad and iPhone.
    I'll give you $60 for it, or $100 in iTunes credit since you love that eco so much. Also, this isn't the right forum to post things for sale.
    09-23-2014 03:50 PM
  16. Steve Adams's Avatar
    Guys, you are leaving out the most revolutionary feature of the iPhone. Its the worlds first flexable phone. Well, it flexes one way, when you have it in your front pocket, when you sit. Then magically does NOT bend back. great engineering! But hey, it just works.
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    09-26-2014 06:12 AM
  17. Witness's Avatar
    It's a shame that the lazy media won't point out that those features are just playing catch up to what other phones already have. They are too scared of causing the stock price to dip so they continue to make up all of this crap about how great Apple is.
    Yeah, I believe part of the Kool-Aid a ton of tech reporters are drinking involves ownership of APPL shares.
    09-26-2014 01:06 PM
  18. Witness's Avatar
    It's a shame that the lazy media won't point out that those features are just playing catch up to what other phones already have. They are too scared of causing the stock price to dip so they continue to make up all of this crap about how great Apple is.
    Yeah, I believe part of the Kool-Aid a ton of tech reporters are drinking involves ownership of APPL shares.

    Guys, you are leaving out the most revolutionary feature of the iPhone. Its the worlds first flexable phone. Well, it flexes one way, when you have it in your front pocket, when you sit. Then magically does NOT bend back. great engineering! But hey, it just works.
    Take that, Samsung! Samsung tipped to reveal Galaxy Note 4 with curved screen and Gear Glass at IFA 2014 | Android Central samsung-galaxy-round-02.jpg
    09-26-2014 01:15 PM
  19. LEHUY's Avatar
    It's a shame that the lazy media won't point out that those features are just playing catch up to what other phones already have. They are too scared of causing the stock price to dip so they continue to make up all of this crap about how great Apple is.
    10-09-2014 11:28 PM
  20. Steve Adams's Avatar
    It's a shame that the lazy media won't point out that those features are just playing catch up to what other phones already have. They are too scared of causing the stock price to dip so they continue to make up all of this crap about how great Apple is.
    No, they won't slam apple because apple pays off the media for hype and exposure. How come CNN and other major news outlets have so much coverage of such a petty thing like an iPhone when there are such more important things happening. Why? because the apple corporations pay them off. That is the reason there are not half hour segments on the new offerings from Nokia/Windows or other companies. Just use your head and think. Its all media and propaganda with apple. Next year on iPhone release day all anchors on the news channels will be required to wear black turtle necks and jeans, with glasses.
    10-10-2014 05:55 AM
  21. Witness's Avatar
    It's a shame that the lazy media won't point out that those features are just playing catch up to what other phones already have. They are too scared of causing the stock price to dip so they continue to make up all of this crap about how great Apple is.
    Even though I don't use many Apple things, I should have bought in at $92. It's trading at $104 today and as long as the media et al continue to hype the brand, you may as well cash in on it and buy the next flagship Lumia.

    On a side note, I caught Good Morning America the other day on TV and they show the performing artist's album cover by way of an iPhone's music app. It's hilarious smh, but I completely understand why they do it. The iPhone is for casuals like the Wii was, and although some more advanced users who want more out of their phones slam it, it did bring in a mass of new (filthy casuals-lol) gamers for the industry.
    10-24-2014 02:30 PM
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