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  1. Richard Culverhouse's Avatar
    ...i am going to sell black turtle necks with apple logos on them for 150 a piece because they have a built in new revolutionary neck warmer.
    lol!!!
    09-18-2014 06:40 AM
  2. j666w's Avatar
    have my iphone 6+ ordered going to take 3 - 4 weeks but I am not bailing still going to be using my 1020 and will definetly be buying the next wp8 device that exites me :)

    i am a happy wp8 user !!
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    09-18-2014 07:00 AM
  3. paulxxwall's Avatar
    64 bit has nothing to do with speed. It has to do with memory support. Since the phone has 1GB of memory the 64 bit architecture means absolutely nothing. In fact, 64 bit programs will use more memory than their 32 bit counterparts to account for the additional memory registers.

    When individual apps can use over 3GB of memory on a phone or when the phone ships with over 3.5GB, then it will be worth moving to a 64 bit CPU. If you think any different you have no idea what you're talking about.
    ok that being said ... If the same game runs smoother on the new iPhones with " 64 bit" than our 1gb windowsphones guess what customers are going to want ...smoother running apps regardless of gigabytes or bits the phone has. So if games and apps are running smoother on iPhones that's what's going to sell hence record breaking preorders!!
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    09-18-2014 07:21 AM
  4. carlos12001's Avatar
    Why are people still talking about specs? Regular people don't care about specs, at all. They care about a friendly UI, and good apps. Maybe apple hasn't put out anything groundbreaking for awhile, (that's fine by most), but they have consistently put out an excellent phone, which is more than I can say for any other company. As for price, most top end phones are about the same price, at least with iphone you're paying for unparalleled design and build quality.
    09-18-2014 08:21 AM
  5. a5cent's Avatar
    Why are people still talking about specs? Regular people don't care about specs, at all.
    Because the non-techy crowd has no idea what they want or should care about, so they ALWAYS consult others for advice. People like shop sales staff, the tech press, or the tech geek friend or family member. These are a minority group, but they have a huge influence on what sells and what doesn't. With the exception of the Apple faithful, this group cares very much about specs (unfortunately). Their influence makes them a very important marketing target, and spec sheets are directed precisely at that group (again, except for Apple).
    Last edited by a5cent; 09-18-2014 at 10:38 PM. Reason: formatting
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    09-18-2014 10:49 AM
  6. carlos12001's Avatar
    Because the non-techy crowd has no idea what they want or should care about, so they ALWAYS consult others for advice. People like shop sales staff, the tech press, or the tech geek friend or family member. These are a minority group, but they have a huge influence on what sells and what doesn't. With the exception of the Apple faithful, this group cares very much about specs (unfortunately). Their influence makes them a very important marketing target, and spec sheets are directed precisely at that group (again, except for Apple).
    I guess, but I rarely find someone I can talk to about specs in person. Besides my wife, but I know she really doesn't listen. Ha.
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    09-18-2014 11:48 AM
  7. a5cent's Avatar
    I guess, but I rarely find someone I can talk to about specs in person. Besides my wife, but I know she really doesn't listen. Ha.
    Any Android enthusiast or PC gamer will generally engage in specs-discussions. Those are large groups. Millions of people.

    The entire Android marketing industry is built around spec sheet optimization. That wouldn't be the case if it wasn't effective. Even here at WPC you can see, on a daily basis, how the continual drive for higher camera MP counts, despite having long surpassed the point where they matter (for smartphones) has a strong influence on buying decisions.

    Specs are not the only way to market hardware, but they are the prefered choice for most hardware companies.
    Last edited by a5cent; 09-18-2014 at 01:27 PM.
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    09-18-2014 12:22 PM
  8. CSJr1's Avatar
    Specs do matter. Whether you measure screen size, screen dpi, RAM size, storage space, CPU architecture, MP or benchmark metrics; someone is looking at at-least one of those to make their decision. Even Apple die hards. Even the OS and software features depend on specs. With latter OS's and features requiring faster processors, RAM, and even dedicated image chips

    I can guarantee you that 2.5 years from now, flagships of today will not be desirable due to old specs.

    To original question, the first reason I will not bail is because I like the Microsoft/UI ecosystem over Apple/UI. Other reasons deal with specs:)
    iPhone 6 has an inferior camera, smaller screen, less memory, less storage, and cost more than a fully decked 1520.

    But that fingerprint scanner is sweet. Give me that and IR blaster from M8 Windows and 64 bit/2K for future proof in my next WP device and you can color me pink!
    09-18-2014 12:52 PM
  9. kencaz's Avatar
    I'm really hoping that Microsoft will announce a few game changers soon as well. Otherwise, their market share will drop and people will lose interest. The 830 and 735 are great, but not what I would call "game changers". Still waiting for Microsoft's smart watch too...
    Microsoft Keeps shooting itself in the foot. Releasing all their apps on IOS kinda gives people maybe on the fence for getting iPhone or WP would not have any insensitive to come to WP. First they released Office for the Ipad which really hurt WP and Surface sales. I wont be surprised if they have Cortana for Iphone in the coming months. MS is just killing itself. Your right they need some killer apps but keep them on WP.
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    09-18-2014 12:59 PM
  10. CSJr1's Avatar
    Microsoft Keeps shooting itself in the foot. Releasing all their apps on IOS kinda gives people maybe on the fence for getting iPhone or WP would not have any insensitive to come to WP. First they released Office for the Ipad which really hurt WP and Surface sales. I wont be surprised if they have Cortana for Iphone in the coming months. MS is just killing itself. Your right they need some killer apps but keep them on WP.
    I disagree with this. I try to be pragmatic sometimes:) Microsoft knows they will not stop sales of iPad, just too many people jumping over the cliff after another follower. So if iPad sales will not stop, then those people will need something for presentations/documentations. If Office wasn't ported, then Apple would make their own software or those users on Google Docs would grow. Either case, it would eliminate the need for Office and dry up a lucrative Microsoft revenue generator.

    So Microsoft is smart by porting Office to iPad. It shuts down Apple's plan of getting into document creation and mitigates Google Docs while at the same time increases user base for Office. Now on the flip side, I've thought about Cortana and I don't see any revenue protecting reason to give up Cortana.
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    09-18-2014 01:11 PM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    I disagree with this. I try to be pragmatic sometimes:) Microsoft knows they will not stop sales of iPad, just too many people jumping over the cliff after another follower. So if iPad sales will not stop, then those people will need something for presentations/documentations. If Office wasn't ported, then Apple would make their own software or those users on Google Docs would grow. Either case, it would eliminate the need for Office and dry up a lucrative Microsoft revenue generator.

    So Microsoft is smart by porting Office to iPad. It shuts down Apple's plan of getting into document creation and mitigates Google Docs while at the same time increases user base for Office. Now on the flip side, I've thought about Cortana and I don't see any revenue protecting reason to give up Cortana.
    I agree. I know that we sometimes question Microsoft's decisions, but I think they are correct in providing Office for iOS & Android. They probably calculated that not providing it would tend to pull users away from Office more than bring them to WP/Windows tablets. There are alternatives to Office. They're not nearly as functional, but they would suffice in a lot of cases.
    09-18-2014 01:20 PM
  12. kencaz's Avatar
    I disagree with this. I try to be pragmatic sometimes:) Microsoft knows they will not stop sales of iPad, just too many people jumping over the cliff after another follower. So if iPad sales will not stop, then those people will need something for presentations/documentations. If Office wasn't ported, then Apple would make their own software or those users on Google Docs would grow. Either case, it would eliminate the need for Office and dry up a lucrative Microsoft revenue generator.

    So Microsoft is smart by porting Office to iPad. It shuts down Apple's plan of getting into document creation and mitigates Google Docs while at the same time increases user base for Office. Now on the flip side, I've thought about Cortana and I don't see any revenue protecting reason to give up Cortana.
    For personal use yes, however, in the Enterprise Market (Which Apple is wanting a piece of with the Ipad). Not having Office ported to Ipad would be a deal breaker for business and they would most certainly opt for a Surface 2 or Pro which has office pre installed which still most every business is using. I really don't see apple coming up with anything comparable to Office. But I know that it makes more business sense for MS...
    09-18-2014 01:48 PM
  13. theetommyt's Avatar
    I'm bailing. I'll be keeping an eye on WP still but it doesn't offer what I fully need. Upside of trying WP is that I went in 100% with MS services instead of Google and prefer MS. Happy that MS supports other OS.
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    09-18-2014 01:50 PM
  14. carlos12001's Avatar
    Any Android enthusiast or PC gamer will generally engage in specs-discussions. Those are large groups. Millions of people.

    The entire Android marketing industry is built around spec sheet optimization. That wouldn't be the case if it wasn't effective. Even here at WPC you can see, on a daily basis, how the continual drive for higher camera MP counts, despite having long surpassed the point where they matter (for smartphones) has a strong influence on buying decisions.

    Specs are not the only way to market hardware, but they are the prefered choice for most hardware companies.
    Those two you mentioned are a small percent of the world population. No average consumer walks into a phone store and starts asking about ghz and megapixels. Screen size? Yes, type of screen? No. Resolution? As long as it looks good to them they don't care about numbers. Here on wpc, who's asking for more megapixels? I don't see anyone, besides, wpc is a VERY SMALL percentage of the phone market. I could name 10 family members and friends off the top of my head, that couldn't tell me anything about the specs of their smart phone. They're average consumers.
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    09-18-2014 02:02 PM
  15. agentmikeyd99's Avatar
    In gonna wait to see what MS offers with "big screen". If nothing good, then off to the 6plus for my four phones (family plan)
    09-18-2014 02:03 PM
  16. kencaz's Avatar
    I'm bailing. I'll be keeping an eye on WP still but it doesn't offer what I fully need. Upside of trying WP is that I went in 100% with MS services instead of Google and prefer MS. Happy that MS supports other OS.
    Curious what made you switch back? Is it the App Gap? Hardware? What WP do you currently have and what service?
    09-18-2014 02:04 PM
  17. carlos12001's Avatar
    I disagree with this. I try to be pragmatic sometimes:) Microsoft knows they will not stop sales of iPad, just too many people jumping over the cliff after another follower. So if iPad sales will not stop, then those people will need something for presentations/documentations. If Office wasn't ported, then Apple would make their own software or those users on Google Docs would grow. Either case, it would eliminate the need for Office and dry up a lucrative Microsoft revenue generator.

    So Microsoft is smart by porting Office to iPad. It shuts down Apple's plan of getting into document creation and mitigates Google Docs while at the same time increases user base for Office. Now on the flip side, I've thought about Cortana and I don't see any revenue protecting reason to give up Cortana.
    Apple has they're own software-iWork suite.
    09-18-2014 02:07 PM
  18. iamtim's Avatar
    Not having Office ported to Ipad would be a deal breaker for business and they would most certainly opt for a Surface 2 or Pro which has office pre installed which still most every business is using.
    That's one of the most incorrect and baseless statements I think I've ever heard.
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    09-18-2014 02:27 PM
  19. kencaz's Avatar
    That's one of the most incorrect and baseless statements I think I've ever heard.
    How so?

    How many companies run strictly apple hardware? Apple is still way behind in software. The program gap is reversed for OS-10 vs. Windows. compared to the app gap from WP and iOS. Apple is way behind in Enterprise...

    Why Most Businesses Will Keep Buying Microsoft - Forbes
    09-18-2014 02:56 PM
  20. iamtim's Avatar
    How so?
    Because: "Wow, I really need Office on my iPad and it's not available, I'd better go buy a Surface!" said no one, ever.

    Long before Office was available on the iPad there were many, many apps which offered Office file compatibility (including Apple's own iWork suite). If someone needed a tablet prior to Office on the iPad, they'd just use an iPad and one of those apps.
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    09-18-2014 03:51 PM
  21. kencaz's Avatar
    Because: "Wow, I really need Office on my iPad and it's not available, I'd better go buy a Surface!" said no one, ever.

    Long before Office was available on the iPad there were many, many apps which offered Office file compatibility (including Apple's own iWork suite). If someone needed a tablet prior to Office on the iPad, they'd just use an iPad and one of those apps.
    Yep, I feel the same way running windows and Windows Phone, but I don't need a knock off app because it's the original. You can say that with anything... And I was referring to Enterprise. I don't know of to many businesses using Open source Office or iWork.
    09-18-2014 04:06 PM
  22. carlson03's Avatar
    Not giving up on Windows phone...os just runs way too well, could care less about the "lack of apps" argument....if I did bail, would be for Android, hate how restricted you are with iphone
    09-18-2014 04:13 PM
  23. iamtim's Avatar
    And I was referring to Enterprise. I don't know of to many businesses using Open source Office or iWork.
    I'm referring to enterprise as well. Like the one in which I work, where we've been supporting iPads for use by our corporate management and sales forces - with and without Office for iPad - for years.
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    09-18-2014 04:29 PM
  24. kencaz's Avatar
    I'm referring to enterprise as well. Like the one in which I work, where we've been supporting iPads for use by our corporate management and sales forces - with and without Office for iPad - for years.
    Sure you can have a company running all Macs, but certainly not the norm. And if it were not for MS providing Office on that platform communication and data sharing would be painful with most companies that are all Windows based. In Engineering Macs non existent. Accounting, most all PC based. Even movie CGI is mostly PC or Linux based. Apple is just a Mobile platform company for the everyday consumer. I would not take Apple seriously for my business...
    09-18-2014 05:58 PM
  25. iamtim's Avatar
    Sure you can have a company running all Macs, but certainly not the norm ... I would not take Apple seriously for my business...
    You evidently don't take reading very seriously either: I never said my company is running on all Macs, I simply said that we support iPads for our travelling users and corporate staff and have been doing so since before Office was available for the iPad.

    In fact, we're largely a Microsoft shop. We have three VMWare hosts with a shared SAN running 15 (I think, I might be off) WIndows servers in VMs. We have an additional three hardware-based servers and 1 hardware-based Linux server. Our desktops are all running Windows 7 with a few (mine included) running Windows 8, and they're all running Office 2010 (we haven't yet made the jump to Office 2013). We host our own Exchange server and our own SharePoint servers.

    This all goes well beyond my point in criticizing your comment, which was that even in an all Microsoft shop, had Microsoft not ported Office to the iPad, it would not have been a deal breaker. There are enough Office-compatible options on the iPad to keep enterprise users happy on an iPad without it. Especially if the enterprise users are creating content on their Windows-based desktop/laptop, and using the tablet for presentations and minor edits.
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    09-18-2014 07:45 PM
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