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  1. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I'm considering it myself tbh. Either iPhone 6 or 5s....
    09-18-2014 06:51 PM
  2. kencaz's Avatar
    You evidently don't take reading very seriously either: I never said my company is running on all Macs, I simply said that we support iPads for our travelling users and corporate staff and have been doing so since before Office was available for the iPad.

    In fact, we're largely a Microsoft shop. We have three VMWare hosts with a shared SAN running 15 (I think, I might be off) WIndows servers in VMs. We have an additional three hardware-based servers and 1 hardware-based Linux server. Our desktops are all running Windows 7 with a few (mine included) running Windows 8, and they're all running Office 2010 (we haven't yet made the jump to Office 2013). We host our own Exchange server and our own SharePoint servers.

    This all goes well beyond my point in criticizing your comment, which was that even in an all Microsoft shop, had Microsoft not ported Office to the iPad, it would not have been a deal breaker. There are enough Office-compatible options on the iPad to keep enterprise users happy on an iPad without it. Especially if the enterprise users are creating content on their Windows-based desktop/laptop, and using the tablet for presentations and minor edits.
    Well, your free to do what ever you like with whatever hardware you see fit if it fits your needs. I just don't get why people suffer with an OS that does not support most of their needs and try so hard to make something work that is inadequate, simply because of a brand name status symbol.

    I tend to choose hardware and software that get work done not try to fit my work around my hardware. Does not make sense and with that I am done with this conversation...
    09-18-2014 07:24 PM
  3. a5cent's Avatar
    Those two you mentioned are a small percent of the world population. No average consumer walks into a phone store and starts asking about ghz and megapixels. Screen size? Yes, type of screen? No. Resolution? As long as it looks good to them they don't care about numbers. Here on wpc, who's asking for more megapixels? I don't see anyone, besides, wpc is a VERY SMALL percentage of the phone market. I could name 10 family members and friends off the top of my head, that couldn't tell me anything about the specs of their smart phone. They're average consumers.
    You're still missing the point. I never said the average consumer walks into a store asking about specs. They walk into a store asking for advice, and what kind of advice they get will depend on the person behind the counter... who is likely to care about specs.

    It also doesn't matter how small that group of tech enthusiasts is. You might as well count 100 friends and family members off the top of your head, who have no interest in specs. Again, it doesn't matter. As long as those 100 people know one tech enthusiast they consider knowledgeable and worthy of asking for advice (maybe you), then specs do matter for all of those 100 people, not directly, but indirectly. I'd say almost everyone here at WPC is that one person for at least some folks. That doesn't mean everyone at WPC is solely specs driven, but almost anyone at WPC will consider specs more important than the average consumer does, and that is how specs come to play a role in almost everyone's purchasing decisions.

    I hope that is now clear.

    In regard to the MP craze, you need only look at the threads where the 830's camera is compared to other phones (iPhone, L920, etc). MP count is still the primary criteria through which people conclude which camera is better and which is worse. I won't pick out anyone's post specifically, but it's not hard to find them.

    Anyway, for me the iPhone has become a lot more interesting than it was previously, primarily due to screen size. If WP8.1 hadn't come out, then I'd probably be switching, but as it is, WP has me for a while longer. I'm looking forward to seeing how both OSes develop going forward.
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    09-18-2014 10:33 PM
  4. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Well, your free to do what ever you like with whatever hardware you see fit if it fits your needs. I just don't get why people suffer with an OS that does not support most of their needs and try so hard to make something work that is inadequate, simply because of a brand name status symbol.

    I tend to choose hardware and software that get work done not try to fit my work around my hardware. Does not make sense and with that I am done with this conversation...
    Because it does meet their needs and they don't use their tablets for the same things they use their laptops/desktops for would be my guess.
    heat 33330 likes this.
    09-19-2014 07:37 AM
  5. paulxxwall's Avatar
    Specs or no specs....apple will probably more this year than ms last three ! So what ever it is that apples doing .....must be doing it right! Check every news,tech site! Apple has lines outside for there new phones! .....no line at ms stores I guarantee no matter what comes out!
    09-19-2014 07:45 AM
  6. salmanahmad's Avatar
    I myself would always use an Android device over Windows Phone or iOS.

    However my honest opinion if I had enough money to choose between an iPhone 6 Plus or Lumia 1520.

    I would've gone for the iPhone 6 Plus, and I'll explain why.

    iOS hands down has some of the best applications and is the most well optimized and best performing operating system out there.

    Plus iPhone 5S beat the Lumia 1520 in benchmarks, so obviously the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus will also be faster.

    The iPhone 6 Plus may not have 4K like the 1520 will have soon however for most purposes, apart from megapixel count, the 6 Plus absolutely crushes the 1520's camera. Especially in focusing speed, panoramas, time-lapse, filters, and overall speed.

    I find features like 60 FPS 1080p and 240 FPS more useful than a few minutes of 4K.

    Add to that the fact that 5.5 inches provides a balance between a 6 inch monster or a regular 5 inch flagship, which IMO is great.

    You'll also have access to a lot of accessories apart from the Apple Watch.

    Nokia/Microsoft really need to step up their game.
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    09-19-2014 08:05 AM
  7. iamtim's Avatar
    Because it does meet their needs and they don't use their tablets for the same things they use their laptops/desktops for would be my guess.
    Exactly. You get it.

    The need is: "a tablet on which I can open Office documents for light editing and presenting." The need is not "a table that runs Microsoft Office specifically and only Microsoft Office."
    09-19-2014 08:30 AM
  8. carlos12001's Avatar
    Well, your free to do what ever you like with whatever hardware you see fit if it fits your needs. I just don't get why people suffer with an OS that does not support most of their needs and try so hard to make something work that is inadequate, simply because of a brand name status symbol.

    I tend to choose hardware and software that get work done not try to fit my work around my hardware. Does not make sense and with that I am done with this conversation...
    Did you ever stop to think that maybe osx does support there needs, and not all Mac/ios users are looking for a status symbol? I certainly don't use the two for that reason.

    I myself would always use an Android device over Windows Phone or iOS.

    However my honest opinion if I had enough money to choose between an iPhone 6 Plus or Lumia 1520.

    I would've gone for the iPhone 6 Plus, and I'll explain why.

    iOS hands down has some of the best applications and is the most well optimized and best performing operating system out there.

    Plus iPhone 5S beat the Lumia 1520 in benchmarks, so obviously the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus will also be faster.

    The iPhone 6 Plus may not have 4K like the 1520 will have soon however for most purposes, apart from megapixel count, the 6 Plus absolutely crushes the 1520's camera. Especially in focusing speed, panoramas, time-lapse, filters, and overall speed.

    I find features like 60 FPS 1080p and 240 FPS more useful than a few minutes of 4K.

    Add to that the fact that 5.5 inches provides a balance between a 6 inch monster or a regular 5 inch flagship, which IMO is great.

    You'll also have access to a lot of accessories apart from the Apple Watch.

    Nokia/Microsoft really need to step up their game.
    Damn right. My wife is off to get her 6 right now, she traded in her 5 for $252 at the sprint store, and it immediately paid for the 6 and some extras.
    Last edited by Guytronic; 09-22-2014 at 02:07 PM.
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    09-19-2014 08:48 AM
  9. Lee Hayes's Avatar
    I never understand why people keep mentioning stupid things like speed, faster shutter, more ram etc, go buy a fast car or expensive camera if that is what is important or get ripped off buying apple rubbish and yes god forbid I said rubbish as it really is.

    It seems to me its more about small minded affordable look at me tech with apple, just keep up with the jones's and get sucked into the apple lemmings game.

    I know I will be hated for speaking my mind but at least im not stupid to follow someone else's!

    And when you spend all that money just think in 6 months time you will be following like sheepy lemmings again for something that will never make a difference.

    Good luck appleites...long live basic over hyped and under spec value for money (NOT)...
    09-19-2014 09:35 AM
  10. salmanahmad's Avatar
    Damn right. My wife is off to get her 6 right now, she traded in her 5 for $252 at the sprint store, and it immediately paid for the 6 and some extras.
    If she had sold her iPhone 5 at Ebay, she could've gotten over $300/$400. Just saying. :)

    I never understand why people keep mentioning stupid things like speed, faster shutter, more ram etc, go buy a fast car or expensive camera if that is what is important or get ripped off buying apple rubbish and yes god forbid I said rubbish as it really is.

    It seems to me its more about small minded affordable look at me tech with apple, just keep up with the jones's and get sucked into the apple lemmings game.

    I know I will be hated for speaking my mind but at least im not stupid to follow someone else's!

    And when you spend all that money just think in 6 months time you will be following like sheepy lemmings again for something that will never make a difference.

    Good luck appleites...long live basic over hyped and under spec value for money (NOT)...
    I don't understand what you mean, when we say that the iPhone is faster we don't refer to speed of say a car, but general fluidity and app performance.

    A faster shutter speed, I assure you, isn't stupid. Smartphones with cameras are designed to get a quick amazing photo, and the iPhone will probably go a better job at it compared to the 1520(except maybe in RAW detail).

    And what do you mean by under spec value for money? The iPhone 5S despite having worse specifications than a Lumia 1520 still beat in benchmarks, I am sure the iPhone 6 will as well.
    carlos12001 likes this.
    09-19-2014 09:42 AM
  11. kencaz's Avatar
    I never understand why people keep mentioning stupid things like speed, faster shutter, more ram etc, go buy a fast car or expensive camera if that is what is important or get ripped off buying apple rubbish and yes god forbid I said rubbish as it really is.

    It seems to me its more about small minded affordable look at me tech with apple, just keep up with the jones's and get sucked into the apple lemmings game.

    I know I will be hated for speaking my mind but at least im not stupid to follow someone else's!

    And when you spend all that money just think in 6 months time you will be following like sheepy lemmings again for something that will never make a difference.

    Good luck appleites...long live basic over hyped and under spec value for money (NOT)...
    Funny but true... Apple religion is a powerful cult. People will by Apple products even though it does not meet there needs. I see them as consumption devices not productivity There are hundreds of things PC's can do that Mac's cannot, but there is nothing a Mac can do that the PC can't as well. As far as phones are concerned WP OS is logical choice if your on the PC platform. There is a lot of Integration that you wont even find in the Apple universe. Sure there are not as many Apps on WP but really how many apps do people really use on a daily basis; maybe 10 the rest is just games and stuff to waste time with...
    09-19-2014 11:50 AM
  12. imeobong's Avatar
    I am. I'm not gonna wait 2 more years for windows phone to be the best for what I want to do with a smartphone. Maybe in two years if windows phone is like dang near irresistible I will switch back to windows phone but that iPhone 6 hardware and ios8 apps and features are like too much to pass up for the sake of loyalty.
    09-19-2014 12:01 PM
  13. iamtim's Avatar
    As far as phones are concerned WP OS is logical choice if your on the PC platform.
    You would think - even expect - for that to be the case, but I don't know that I agree. OneDrive is roughly equivalent between iOS and WP, but Office? OneNote? Lync? Microsoft's iOS offerings for those are heads and tails above the equivalent WP offerings. Even Skype is better on iOS than on WP.

    Microsoft's offerings are more competitive on the Surface, but your comment was specifically about phones.
    09-19-2014 12:04 PM
  14. ricbon's Avatar
    I never understand why people keep mentioning stupid things like speed, faster shutter, more ram etc, go buy a fast car or expensive camera if that is what is important or get ripped off buying apple rubbish and yes god forbid I said rubbish as it really is.

    It seems to me its more about small minded affordable look at me tech with apple, just keep up with the jones's and get sucked into the apple lemmings game.

    I know I will be hated for speaking my mind but at least im not stupid to follow someone else's!

    And when you spend all that money just think in 6 months time you will be following like sheepy lemmings again for something that will never make a difference.

    Good luck appleites...long live basic over hyped and under spec value for money (NOT)...
    I am doing it for the apps and app support and tbh the iphone has never been a spec monster
    09-19-2014 12:08 PM
  15. kencaz's Avatar
    You would think - even expect - for that to be the case, but I don't know that I agree. OneDrive is roughly equivalent between iOS and WP, but Office? OneNote? Lync? Microsoft's iOS offerings for those are heads and tails above the equivalent WP offerings. Even Skype is better on iOS than on WP.

    Microsoft's offerings are more competitive on the Surface, but your comment was specifically about phones.
    That's what I was saying in Post #61... If MS wants Windows Phone and Surface Sales to increase they have to stop providing killer apps for rival platforms. I don't see Apple giving that kind of consideration towards MS or Google. Releasing Office for the Ipad was good business choice on MS's part, however, they inadvertently killed their own tablet sales in the process. I know that MS, however, still cares more about it's eco system then it's hardware offerings. If they offered really good apps and programs exclusive to Surface and WP People would by them. I just don't think Nadela is even concerned with the hardware side of MS.
    09-19-2014 12:33 PM
  16. iamtim's Avatar
    If MS wants Windows Phone and Surface Sales to increase they have to stop providing killer apps for rival platforms
    No, they just have to make the apps on Windows Phone and Surface equally killer. Or more killer. Application exclusivity will not drive people away from iPads and iPhones to Surfaces and Windows Phones when, as I said, there are other apps on the iPad and iPhone which provide the same functionality. Not for ubiquitous apps like Office.

    I just don't think Nadela is even concerned with the hardware side of MS
    Nadela is concerned with making money for the shareholders, which is - as the CEO of a for-profit corporation - what he should be concerned with. Application exclusivity on Surface and Windows Phone won't make money for the shareholders.
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    09-19-2014 12:50 PM
  17. Rick_Air's Avatar
    The only thing stopping me buying an iPhone 6 is the same thing that's always stopped me buying an iPhone. The price.
    Liked them since the 4s, never been the top of the spec war but the whole package, design, camera, ecosystem has always been strong.
    But not strong enough to justify the price increase over the other manufacturers flagships.
    09-19-2014 12:54 PM
  18. WDavis4692's Avatar
    I chose my 1520 because it takes an SD Card. I aim to one day have an even larger SD card (128 GB) filled to the rafters with music, maybe even some movies for plane flights or long train/car rides. Because smartphone > Those horrible screens on the planes.

    No SD card on iPhone... NO go.
    Small batteries on iPhones. NO go. The 6+ may compete with the 1520 in the large phone (or phablet as some call it) territory, but not only does it lack the SD expandability; it has a substantially smaller battery too. What's the point in having such a wonderfully large screen - making the ideal portable media experience - if you're not going to augment it with a battery colossal enough to last those long journeys?

    And that 0.5" difference means everything when you're watching videos in HD and even in SD.
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    09-19-2014 01:16 PM
  19. winboy's Avatar
    Tuttie fruity will never get a single penny out of me. I'm very content with my 1520.
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    09-19-2014 01:32 PM
  20. TenTwelve's Avatar
    With heavy heart I packed up my 1520 and sent it along to it's next owner.The call of the 6+ grabbed me and I'm thoroughly smitten with the Apple Watch. I only left iPhone because the size of the 5 pissed me off after they claimed they were going larger (longer didn't cut it lol). If I am ever unhappy with iOS or iPhones again I'll be back to Windows. I don't ever see myself going Android.
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    09-19-2014 01:37 PM
  21. Dare2Blink's Avatar
    With heavy heart I packed up my 1520 and sent it along to it's next owner.The call of the 6+ grabbed me and I'm thoroughly smitten with the Apple Watch. I only left iPhone because the size of the 5 pissed me off after they claimed they were going larger (longer didn't cut it lol). If I am ever unhappy with iOS or iPhones again I'll be back to Windows. I don't ever see myself going Android.
    Are you serious? Why in the world would you change from an awesome 1520 to an average iphone? There is literally nothing better on the iphone. Worse camera, no sd card expansion, no wireless charging, worse screen (in sunlight), no glance screen, not to mention still boring icons.
    09-19-2014 01:45 PM
  22. Jeannuel's Avatar
    Are you serious? Why in the world would you change from an awesome 1520 to an average iphone? There is literally nothing better on the iphone. Worse camera, no sd card expansion, no wireless charging, worse screen (in sunlight), no glance screen, not to mention still boring icons.
    Also,did you see the drop tests? The iPhone 6 and 6+ are so worthless. One drop = screen shattered

    Almost 1000 $ for this? and no expansion (for me, the most important)

    This new iPhone is crap
    09-19-2014 01:50 PM
  23. Dare2Blink's Avatar
    hmmm for a tech nut the iphone 6 if far from appealing, since there is nothing new in it tech wise... apart from the processor its pretty much 2012 tech. Even if the tech in it was more advanced I would probably never switch to an iphone while they maintein those boring *** useless icons.
    09-19-2014 01:51 PM
  24. trekgraham's Avatar
    My Lumia 521 is enough, if I want a new phone I'm waiting for a true replacement for the Lumia 1020. All Windows Phone needs is better and more apps. Why pay so much money for a fruity phone?
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    09-19-2014 01:55 PM
  25. AvatarEW's Avatar
    Am I purchasing a first generation hardware model and initial release operating system?

    For me, the answer is a resounding NO which applies to any technology hardware and software. If you want me to "discover" a.k.a. test your hardware/software, pay me for my time and inconvenience. I'll wait for the iPhone 6s Plus or the Galaxy Note 5 next year for consideration.

    From a social viewpoint (important for the majority of iPhone users), my desired social perception does not align with Apple. The best in anything is uncommon otherwise it would not be the best.
    09-19-2014 02:10 PM
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