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11-24-2014 06:48 PM
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  1. jonesyvoor's Avatar
    I bought the Band Thursday night and ever since I have worn both the Band and my Fitbit Flex to determine if there was going to be a discrepancy regarding step count. Yesterday I had the following totals:

    MS Band - 4,114
    Fitbit - 5,207

    (I know it's not a lot. I'm not lazy. I just had to put in a 12 hour day at work) :)

    Today thus far:

    MS Band - 1,630
    Fitbit - 2,261:

    While this doesn't necessarily indicate there's a problem with the Band, I did find Fitbit's step counts to be pretty accurate for the length of time I've had it so my suspicion is that the Band isn't clocking all of my steps.

    Furthermore, I've done small experiments in which I've taken a reading and then simply paced off 20 steps and several times my Band count hasn't moved at all. Everything else seems to work.

    Do I have a bum Band? Anyone else seeing the trends I'm describing above?
    11-01-2014 11:59 AM
  2. Codeworks's Avatar
    I posted a similar thread a couple days ago... The step count seems to be pretty inaccurate... I was comparing with my iPhone and there is about a 20% discrepancy in the count. I also agree that I can take 20 steps and it will not even move.
    11-01-2014 12:42 PM
  3. wizll's Avatar
    I personally have +-25steps between the band and fitbit one, so it has been mostly the same so far for me.
    11-01-2014 03:57 PM
  4. jonesyvoor's Avatar
    Maybe I have a defective band. I'll try a few more tests and see what happens.
    11-01-2014 07:03 PM
  5. greyskytheory's Avatar
    I compared the band and its ability to track an actual workout. You can see the results at the link below. I think it's pretty accurate for the most part http://forums.windowscentral.com/mic...soft-band.html
    11-01-2014 08:03 PM
  6. Michael McCune's Avatar
    Steps so far seem to be accurate for me - when comparing to iphone (which is not super reliable). My only issue is that when doing elliptical or treadmill - If I make my hands stationary on the rail or holders., it doesn't count the steps.
    11-02-2014 07:05 AM
  7. taymur's Avatar
    I think a better assessment would be both the MS Band and Fitbit Flex against the Fitbit One, as it is more accurate IMO.
    11-03-2014 01:14 AM
  8. tbsteph's Avatar
    I've been comparing the Band to my Fitbit One for the last couple of days. Thus far the Band records fewer steps than the One by about 25%. The descrepency seems to occur on movements of less than 20-25 steps. The Band seems to not record these sorts of movements. However, when walking a longer distance both the One and Band are within a couple of steps.
    11-03-2014 06:41 AM
  9. Richard Servello's Avatar
    Fitbit giving you more steps doesn't mean its more accurate. Simple bounced based pedometers count any bump as a step. I've noticed the band doesn't count random bumps somehow. I'm guessing it's using other sensors to determine steps. I've found it to be very accurate.
    11-03-2014 07:19 AM
  10. Jazmac's Avatar
    I bought the Band Thursday night and ever since I have worn both the Band and my Fitbit Flex to determine if there was going to be a discrepancy regarding step count. Yesterday I had the following totals:

    MS Band - 4,114
    Fitbit - 5,207

    (I know it's not a lot. I'm not lazy. I just had to put in a 12 hour day at work) :)

    Today thus far:

    MS Band - 1,630
    Fitbit - 2,261:

    While this doesn't necessarily indicate there's a problem with the Band, I did find Fitbit's step counts to be pretty accurate for the length of time I've had it so my suspicion is that the Band isn't clocking all of my steps.

    Furthermore, I've done small experiments in which I've taken a reading and then simply paced off 20 steps and several times my Band count hasn't moved at all. Everything else seems to work.

    Do I have a bum Band? Anyone else seeing the trends I'm describing above?
    Seems defective as what often happens with products rushed to the market. I would return it and wait. It has to get better, just not today.
    11-03-2014 07:57 AM
  11. tbsteph's Avatar
    I understand what you are saying but, I have physically counted my steps to compare the One to the Band. My Band does not capture walks of about 20 - 25 steps or less whereas the One does. Obviously this leads to a significant discrepancy between the two on a daily basis. I'm not trying to tout the One or anything else - just an observation. Overall, I am very happy with the Band.
    Last edited by tbsteph; 11-03-2014 at 08:27 AM.
    11-03-2014 08:14 AM
  12. tk-093's Avatar
    I understand what you are saying but, I have physically counted my steps to compare the One to the Band. My Band does not capture walks of about 20 - 25 steps or less whereas the One does. Obviously this leads to a significant discrepancy between the two on a daily basis. I'm not trying to tout the One or anything else - just an observation. Overall, I am very happy with the Band.
    I wonder what kind of software is involved? Like maybe the sensor is counting the steps but there is some sort of software algorithm that tries to filter out "false steps" and maybe it is still being tweaked? Or maybe the hardware that counts steps is in some type of power saving mode and the band isn't waking it up quick enough so it misses the first 25 steps or so?

    It will be interesting to see how soon the traditional first firmware update comes out and what it addresses.
    11-03-2014 09:47 AM
  13. Upstate Dunadan's Avatar
    I didn't think it "counted" steps. It used GPS and stride length to figure it out.
    11-03-2014 09:52 AM
  14. HTA Studio's Avatar
    Really want one Band !
    11-03-2014 10:08 AM
  15. valadon's Avatar
    I didn't think it "counted" steps. It used GPS and stride length to figure it out.
    It only uses the GPS when you activate the running mode on the watch. The GPS does not run all day, the steps are taken from the accelerometers built into the Band. If it relied on GPS for steps the battery would only last a few hours and it wouldn't work indoors.
    11-03-2014 10:13 AM
  16. Upstate Dunadan's Avatar
    It only uses the GPS when you activate the running mode on the watch. The GPS does not run all day, the steps are taken from the accelerometers built into the Band. If it relied on GPS for steps the battery would only last a few hours and it wouldn't work indoors.
    Good to know and makes sense I was worried about how it would work indoors. I work from home and go up and down the stairs all day to get coffee, etc.
    11-03-2014 10:17 AM
  17. tk-093's Avatar
    Good to know and makes sense I was worried about how it would work indoors. I work from home and go up and down the stairs all day to get coffee, etc.
    Even between bands like the Fitbit, Vivofit, Nike, etc, there were always discrepancies between how accurate they were. When you wear something on your wrist, doing things like typing can count false steps and things like the FitBit One (I think that was the one you put in your pocket/clip on your belt) were always more accurate because it eliminated it.

    I finally settled on the Vivofit because of the year long battery and it was waterproof and it was pretty accurate on the steps. (And the FitBit Force had been recalled!) I assume the steps stuff is all some algorithm/formula so maybe it can be tweaked to be more accurate.. I don't know?

    I love seeing the side by side reports though. I wish I had ordered one before they went out of stock. :(
    11-03-2014 12:19 PM
  18. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    Fitbit giving you more steps doesn't mean its more accurate. Simple bounced based pedometers count any bump as a step. I've noticed the band doesn't count random bumps somehow. I'm guessing it's using other sensors to determine steps. I've found it to be very accurate.
    This is my experience thus far too when comparing Band to Force. In general, I get fewer steps with the Band, but as you mention, this does not mean it is less accurate.
    11-03-2014 01:20 PM
  19. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    I assume the steps stuff is all some algorithm/formula so maybe it can be tweaked to be more accurate.. I don't know?
    Correct. Things like firmware updates can be used to adjust those and presumably that will happen (even Fitbit updates their firmware on occasion for such thigns).
    11-03-2014 01:21 PM
  20. tmark86's Avatar
    I'm currently wearing the Fitbit Ultra on my waist daily and also using the Microsoft Band. I haven't worn any wrist trackers but I always assumed they would be slightly less inaccurate than the waist ones. Here are my steps counts for the past three days that I have been wearing both devices.

    I had a lazy Saturday and Sunday where I played hockey instead of running but this afternoon I went for a 3.5 mile run/walk.

    Saturday -
    Fitbit: 993
    Band: 890
    Sunday -
    Fitbit: 1557
    Band: 1732
    Monday -
    Fitbit: 7557
    Band: 7310

    So far they seem to be pretty similar although I'm still very leary of the Band only because I feel like I am constantly moving my wrist and have no idea how the step counting magic works!

    I'm going to continue wearing both devices for a while to compare but so far I am definitely leaning toward the Band.
    11-03-2014 01:36 PM
  21. MikeSo's Avatar
    What these devices are meant for is not to track absolutes, but progress. Anything worn on the wrist is bound to be somewhat inaccurate, as my Flex is compared to the pedometer in the Lumia 635 in my tests. But as long as you use the same device over a period of time, out doesn't really matter. It's internal consistency that matters more, so you can track and measure progress.
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    11-03-2014 01:39 PM
  22. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    It's internal consistency that matters more, so you can track and measure progress.
    Amen!

    That's how I explain those scales that measure your % body fat. They will never match water displacement/calipers/body scan, but so long as it is consistent, it is about measuring progress over time.

    I mean sure, we hope that these things are in the ballpark for steps, but I don't think we need to use them as absolutes. It is more about getting the idea of how many steps you did today compared to yesterday and hitting those goals.
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    11-03-2014 01:45 PM
  23. tk-093's Avatar
    It's internal consistency that matters more, so you can track and measure progress.
    It is more about getting the idea of how many steps you did today compared to yesterday and hitting those goals.
    Those are great points, actually. I don't have the Band yet, but I have a Garmin Vivofit and the new Moto X. (Don't hate! I have to use it for work, I'm still a MS Fanboy.) On Saturday my Vivofit said I had 13,650 steps, and the Google Fit app they just released said I had 12,281. I don't know which one was more accurate but the end result is I took a lot of fricken steps. I'm guessing the Band would have been right around there too.
    11-03-2014 01:57 PM
  24. CoZmicShReddeR's Avatar
    Funny I just bought my Microsoft Band yesterday and have a Fitbit One and noticed
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    I keep my Fitbit in my pocket but you would think if the Microsoft Band wasn't accurate it would show more steps from the wrist swinging... I do wear my MS Band with watch face on top of my wrist. I am hoping something is wrong with it and they do fix it with a software update!

    I am using it with my iPhone 6 Plus 128GB... I might wipe out my Nokia Lumia 920 see if it works better with it. I would like to see a Weather Temp on the Default watch face like my Samsung Galaxy Gear 2 had!

    I only bought mine to get me through until the Apple Watch comes out...
    11-24-2014 06:04 AM
  25. realwarder's Avatar
    Funny I just bought my Microsoft Band yesterday and have a Fitbit One and noticed
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    I keep my Fitbit in my pocket but you would think if the Microsoft Band wasn't accurate it would show more steps from the wrist swinging... I do wear my MS Band with watch face on top of my wrist. I am hoping something is wrong with it and they do fix it with a software update!

    I am using it with my iPhone 6 Plus 128GB... I might wipe out my Nokia Lumia 920 see if it works better with it. I would like to see a Weather Temp on the Default watch face like my Samsung Galaxy Gear 2 had!

    I only bought mine to get me through until the Apple Watch comes out...
    I'm curious why you suggest something is wrong with your Band. How do you know the FitBit in your pocket is not the "inaccurate" device? I say inaccurate because it is impossible for a single accelerometer to accurately determine if you are walking over other activities and may count high or low. They all never catch every step but are tuned to try and catch the most common motions. An example is pushing a shopping cart - our FitBit Flex counts 0 steps while doing that because the hand is not moving when the body is.

    The pocket is arguably a better location for step tracking so may appear more "accurate", but then you loose the other benefits of notification access etc. I really think a remote ankle sensor tied to a Band is the best solution as that will be great for cycling and walking. But most people find one add-on enough trouble without adding several to improve accuracy!

    Note that performance will be no different with an iPhone to L920 other than you gain Cortana on the Band, but steps/calorie data will be identical.
    11-24-2014 08:34 AM
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