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01-20-2015 03:39 PM
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  1. Hockeymac18's Avatar
    I read that the Band can deliver driving/walking directions (vibrate at turns?). But I can't figure out the way to do this. Do you start it from the phone? Is this a feature that will be unlocked later?
    01-12-2015 02:08 AM
  2. realwarder's Avatar
    You are thinking Apple watch. The Band does not currently do this.
    01-12-2015 09:15 AM
  3. Hockeymac18's Avatar
    You are thinking Apple watch. The Band does not currently do this.
    Haha, that is most certainly not true. I have zero interest in the Apple band and have never even read an in-depth article about it.

    I'm definitely talking about the MS band. Many articles about it have mentioned this feature:
    Microsoft Launches 'Band,' Its First Fitness Wearable

    Microsoft?s Band is a competitive, feature-packed fitness tracker

    Microsoft Band: 5 things you need to know | Other Devices News | TechRadar

    Microsoft Band Fitness Tracker and Cross-Platform Health Service Launched | NDTV Gadgets

    Based on the articles, it has something to do with Cortana integration. But I'm not sure how to get it going. Do I start it from my phone?
    Last edited by Hockeymac18; 01-12-2015 at 12:49 PM.
    01-12-2015 12:24 PM
  4. DroidUser42's Avatar
    I don't see anything like that in the first link.

    The second link indicates some added functions are available for "Windows 8.1 users will also get access the company’s Cortana personal digital assistant".
    01-12-2015 03:41 PM
  5. Hockeymac18's Avatar
    I don't see anything like that in the first link.

    The second link indicates some added functions are available for "Windows 8.1 users will also get access the company’s Cortana personal digital assistant".
    I think you might have missed the mention of it in each article. Just CRTL-F "Driving" and you'll see. Each article mentions driving directions being made available for the Band via Cortana integration.

    I'll highlight the postings from each.
    Microsoft Launches 'Band,' Its First Fitness Wearable
    Microsoft phone users who link their smartphones to their Band can use Microsoft's Cortana electronic personal assistant to take notes or set reminders using voice or to get driving directions and updates on traffic, sports, stocks, weather and more. - See more at: Microsoft Launches 'Band,' Its First Fitness Wearable
    Microsoft?s Band is a competitive, feature-packed fitness tracker
    Windows 8.1 users will also get access the company’s Cortana personal digital assistant right on their wrist, providing information on driving directions, stocks and more.
    Microsoft Band: 5 things you need to know | Other Devices News | TechRadar
    You'll also get access to Cortana if paired to a Windows Phone 8.1 - meaning you can take notes or set reminders with your voice. She can also give driving directions and more just like she would from a mobile device.
    Microsoft Band Fitness Tracker and Cross-Platform Health Service Launched | NDTV Gadgets
    Windows Phone 8.1 users can ask Cortana to take notes or set reminders with their voice from the Band. Using built-in GPS on Microsoft Band, Cortana will also be able to provide driving directions, traffic information, sports, stocks, weather, and more.
    Microsoft launches Band, its fitness-focused smartwatch and Microsoft Health app | mobihealthnews
    Through Microsoft Band, Cortana can take notes, set reminders, give driving directions, and provide traffic, sports, stocks, and weather updates.
    There is nothing special about these articles. I found them from a simple Google search (https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...ing+directions). Since they're all using the same terminology, they must be grabbing official info from some MS document.

    And here is an official MS site that mentions this feature:
    Buy Microsoft Band - Microsoft Store
    Cortana
    Use your voice to take notes and set reminders with Cortana.3 Or ask her to give driving directions and keep you on top of news, stocks, weather, and more. She’s ready to help whenever you need it.
    Now that we have this out of the way and that it's obvious that this is a feature that MS has been advertising as part of their Cortana integration with the Band, I'm wondering if anyone knows how to get it going. Has anyone tried it out themselves? Do you start it from the Band itself? Do you start it from the phone and then there's an option to send directions to the band? Neither? I tried saying "Directions to" but didn't see a way to start MS Band navigation...maybe this isn't a feature that is supported yet?

    Or maybe this is just poor wording form MS...? Maybe what they mean is that you say "get directions to" and then you have to go to your phone to get the directions from there. In which case, this would be a pretty pointless feature. I want to believe that is not what they mean by this. Right guys?

    I have a windows phone (Nokia Icon) and have been using Cortana for certain things so far (sending texts has been cool). Just want to know how to do some of these other features.
    01-12-2015 05:29 PM
  6. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    It's all done by Cortana on the phone. You're just using the Band to feed the request to Cortana. So it's really "use the band to trigger Cortana features". As a test case, long-press the Action button and say "I need directions home".
    01-13-2015 06:56 AM
  7. gadgetrants's Avatar
    Maybe not "exactly" the same thing but when I navigate on an Android phone, it apparently sends turn notifications, which show up automagically on the Band.

    ​-Matt
    01-13-2015 10:56 AM
  8. Hockeymac18's Avatar
    It's all done by Cortana on the phone. You're just using the Band to feed the request to Cortana. So it's really "use the band to trigger Cortana features". As a test case, long-press the Action button and say "I need directions home".
    I tried this on the way to work this morning. It loaded up Here Drive on my phone. I then started Here Drive navigation. And it didn't send any notifications to the Band. I thought it might send out a buzz at each turn, or something like that...but nothing. I'm not sure what I'd have to do to get it going.

    Maybe not "exactly" the same thing but when I navigate on an Android phone, it apparently sends turn notifications, which show up automagically on the Band.
    It's really odd that it'd work on an Android phone but not work right away on a Windows Phone...I'd think this would be something that would "just work" with my windows phone. Maybe I'm using the wrong app?
    01-13-2015 01:11 PM
  9. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    Maybe not "exactly" the same thing but when I navigate on an Android phone, it apparently sends turn notifications, which show up automagically on the Band.

    ​-Matt

    Can you tell us which Android app you use for navigation, and exactly how the turn notifications appear on the Band? Is each turn accompanied by a haptic buzz? Does it provide street names, distances or just turn prompts? Pics would be helpful.
    01-13-2015 03:34 PM
  10. gernerttl's Avatar
    I think it is how Google Navigator and Android passes information to Bluetooth devices. When I had my Galaxy Note II and my Pebble watch, Google Navigator sent updates (to include directions) to my Pebble AND would give me a voice prompt via the Bluetooth built into my car.

    However, Here+ Drive and Windows Phone handle it differently. I get voice prompts through my car, but I get all of my notifications on my Band. The exception is texts will go both to my car AND my Band.

    This may change with Denim. I'm not sure on that though.
    01-13-2015 04:51 PM
  11. Hockeymac18's Avatar
    I think it is how Google Navigator and Android passes information to Bluetooth devices. When I had my Galaxy Note II and my Pebble watch, Google Navigator sent updates (to include directions) to my Pebble AND would give me a voice prompt via the Bluetooth built into my car.

    However, Here+ Drive and Windows Phone handle it differently. I get voice prompts through my car, but I get all of my notifications on my Band. The exception is texts will go both to my car AND my Band.

    This may change with Denim. I'm not sure on that though.
    What WP8(.1) phone do you have?

    I have an Icon and I'm in the preview program (so I should have the most up-to-date version of WP8.1, right?). I've tried using Here+ Drive with my band paired to my phone and it is not sending directions notifications to my band. Is there some setting I need to enable for this to occur? I have Cortana working on my band for other stuff (and I checked in the MS Health App, I do have Cortana selected to send notifications to the Band)

    Would appreciate it if you could give a detailed description of how you get navigation started and what you have to do (if anything) to make the Band grab the notifications.
    01-13-2015 05:04 PM
  12. gernerttl's Avatar
    What WP8(.1) phone do you have?

    I have an Icon and I'm in the preview program (so I should have the most up-to-date version of WP8.1, right?). I've tried using Here+ Drive with my band paired to my phone and it is not sending directions notifications to my band. Is there some setting I need to enable for this to occur? I have Cortana working on my band for other stuff (and I checked in the MS Health App, I do have Cortana selected to send notifications to the Band)

    Would appreciate it if you could give a detailed description of how you get navigation started and what you have to do (if anything) to make the Band grab the notifications.
    I also have an Icon running WP8.1.1 DP. I guess I should clarify. I get voice prompts from Here+ Drive through my car's Bluetooth, but I do NOT get any direction prompts on my Band. The ONLY notifications that I get on BOTH my Band and through my car's Bluetooth are text messages. I apologize if I confused anybody.

    Cortana will only send the notifications that based on the interests you've set up. Cortana is not the app doing the navigation, it is Here+ Drive (or whatever app is being used for navigation). Here+ Drive is a separate app and Nokia would have to add that kind of functionality; Here+ Drive is not a Microsoft product.

    Google Navigator is baked into the OS and therefore has tighter integration when it comes to sending out notifications. That was why I got directions on my Pebble when I had an Android phone. I suppose people using iPhones would have a similar experience if they are using Apple Maps; since I don't have an iPhone I wouldn't know about that though.

    I hope that clears things up.
    01-14-2015 01:02 PM
  13. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    Tl;dr the Band does not provide direction alerts
    01-14-2015 02:36 PM
  14. DroidUser42's Avatar
    Google Navigator is baked into the OS and therefore has tighter integration when it comes to sending out notifications. That was why I got directions on my Pebble when I had an Android phone.
    I was wondering if the navigation app was sending notifications and it was just a happy accident that the band reported them (just like it can report any notification).
    01-14-2015 03:25 PM
  15. gadgetrants's Avatar
    I was wondering if the navigation app was sending notifications and it was just a happy accident that the band reported them (just like it can report any notification).
    It's pretty much the case that the Band reports EVERYTHING and anything that shows up on my notification bar. My favorite example (being sarcastic here) is "Ooh, ooh, ooh! There's wifi nearby!!!" Unfortunately on some HTC Verizon phones, that notification is locked on regardless of whether the setting is toggled off on the phone. Pretty annoying.

    So yeah I agree that "deeply embedded" system notifications regularly show up for me on the Band, apparently including driving instructions during navigation (in Google Maps).

    -Matt
    01-14-2015 03:51 PM
  16. Hockeymac18's Avatar
    Tl;dr the Band does not provide direction alerts
    Well that's a frustrating conclusion. I wish they wouldn't advertise this capability.
    01-14-2015 09:02 PM
  17. gernerttl's Avatar
    Well that's a frustrating conclusion. I wish they wouldn't advertise this capability.
    They advertise it because it I true. It will depend upon the OS and/or the navigation app being used. Like I said previously. Here+ Drive is NOT a Microsoft app, it is owned my Nokia (the part that Microsoft didn't buy). It doesn't use Windows Phone notification system, therefore, Here+ Drive won't send turn by turn notifications to the Band. However, Google Navigator is part of Android and is tied to Android's notification system so it can send turn by turn to the Band or Pebble. I can't speak for other navigation apps or smart watches, because I have never used them.

    What they should do is put a caveat in the advertisement saying something along the lines of turn by turn notifications will depend on OS and navigation app use.
    01-14-2015 10:20 PM
  18. Hockeymac18's Avatar
    They advertise it because it I true. It will depend upon the OS and/or the navigation app being used. Like I said previously. Here+ Drive is NOT a Microsoft app, it is owned my Nokia (the part that Microsoft didn't buy). It doesn't use Windows Phone notification system, therefore, Here+ Drive won't send turn by turn notifications to the Band. However, Google Navigator is part of Android and is tied to Android's notification system so it can send turn by turn to the Band or Pebble. I can't speak for other navigation apps or smart watches, because I have never used them.

    What they should do is put a caveat in the advertisement saying something along the lines of turn by turn notifications will depend on OS and navigation app use.
    I'm sorry but I beg to differ with your interpretation. They clearly advertise it as being a feature that is part of Cortana integration with the band, which implies that this should work out-of-the-box on all Windows Phone 8.1 phones. If you read everything that's been reported and even stated by MS, it would be hard to interpret it the way you have.

    For example: this is what an article said about the band (many other articles have said the same thing, too):
    Microsoft launches Band, its fitness-focused smartwatch and Microsoft Health app | mobihealthnews
    The smartwatch’s other features include call notifications, calendar alerts, a timer and alarm, and — if users have Windows 8.1 on their smartphone — access to Microsoft’s intelligent assistant, Cortana. Through Microsoft Band, Cortana can take notes, set reminders, give driving directions, and provide traffic, sports, stocks, and weather updates.
    And here is an official MS site that mentions this feature:
    Buy Microsoft Band - Microsoft Store
    Cortana
    Use your voice to take notes and set reminders with Cortana.3 Or ask her to give driving directions and keep you on top of news, stocks, weather, and more. She’s ready to help whenever you need it.
    Yes, it may in fact be that this works they way you said. But that doesn't change the fact that they say it can do something it can't do. Because if you read what they're advertising, it definitely sounds like they're saying it can do something it can't. The fact that it happens to, by coincidence, work with an android phone is really unrelated since they're clearly talking about Windows Phone users in their advertising documents.

    I'm not that disappointed because this really isn't a big feature for me. But it's still disappointing. I kind of just wish they would never had said it can do these things since it clearly can.t

    I still love my band so far, despite this, though (for everything else that it does).
    01-15-2015 01:26 PM
  19. gernerttl's Avatar
    And here is an official MS site that mentions this feature:
    Buy Microsoft Band - Microsoft Store
    Interesting, because here is the Official Microsoft Band site, and no where does it say ANYTHING about driving directions.

    Microsoft Band | Official Site
    01-15-2015 04:47 PM
  20. Hockeymac18's Avatar
    Interesting, because here is the Official Microsoft Band site, and no where does it say ANYTHING about driving directions.

    Microsoft Band | Official Site
    And? They're both official sites for the band. The one you posted is the official Microsoft.com site, and the one I posted was the official Microsoft store page (which mentions Driving directions). They're both official pages hosted by Microsoft.

    The fact that one you're taken to before you buy it includes mention of driving directions is interesting, too. It'd be like a listing for a product on Amazon including a feature that the product doesn't support. Sure the official page for that product could omit that feature (since it doesn't support it), but that doesn't change the fact that the page to buy the product (and many, many articles written about the product, in the Band's case) lists a feature that isn't supported.

    I'm not sure what you're trying to say with pointing that out. That because it's not there means it's something they're not supporting? I think it's odd that it was ever mentioned if they had no intentions of it being a feature of the band. It's also odd (or ironic?) that it doesn't work on WP 8.1 phones but does work on Android phones.

    As I said before, it isn't that big of a deal to me that this feature is missing. What I am annoyed by is their inclusion of this feature in their advertisements and official documents for reference for journalists (essentially advertising via other sites). It was a feature that sounded cool, and I wanted to try it out. I guess my point is I don't really like false advertising (however minor it is), and I just want to make sure other people know that this feature is missing. Maybe some people really were hoping to use this feature? I know I'd be annoyed pretty heavily if I bought something because of a feature that turned out wasn't included.
    Last edited by Hockeymac18; 01-15-2015 at 06:41 PM.
    01-15-2015 06:24 PM
  21. gernerttl's Avatar
    First, it IS supported and it DOES work. If you have an Android phone running Android 4.2 (Jelly Bean) or higher, the Microsoft Health app, and Google Navigator it will work as advertised. If you think it is truly false advertisement then file a claim with the Better Business Bureau or return it.

    Since there is no built in (i.e. Microsoft owned) navigation system built into Windows Phone it won't work until Nokia (Here+ Drive), Waze, or any other third party app adds that functionality into the app.

    Maybe not "exactly" the same thing but when I navigate on an Android phone, it apparently sends turn notifications, which show up automagically on the Band.

    ​-Matt
    Just like Matt posted previously it DOES work. It will depend on phone make, OS and app being used.

    Second, I was just pointing out a discrepancy in online literature and nothing more. I will also say AGAIN, that Microsoft should caveat the turn by turn directions with something along the lines of it only works if you are using certain apps/OS combination.
    01-15-2015 10:25 PM
  22. Hockeymac18's Avatar
    First, it IS supported and it DOES work. If you have an Android phone running Android 4.2 (Jelly Bean) or higher, the Microsoft Health app, and Google Navigator it will work as advertised. If you think it is truly false advertisement then file a claim with the Better Business Bureau or return it.

    Since there is no built in (i.e. Microsoft owned) navigation system built into Windows Phone it won't work until Nokia (Here+ Drive), Waze, or any other third party app adds that functionality into the app.



    Just like Matt posted previously it DOES work. It will depend on phone make, OS and app being used.

    Second, I was just pointing out a discrepancy in online literature and nothing more. I will also say AGAIN, that Microsoft should caveat the turn by turn directions with something along the lines of it only works if you are using certain apps/OS combination.
    I'm not sure why you're coming off so angry, we're both on the same side (people who really like their Bands).

    At any rate, you wrote a lot of words and simply ignored this simple thing. It's so simple, but yet you keep going on about unrelated things and that keep this thread going. This feature right here is just simply not supported:
    Cortana
    Use your voice to take notes and set reminders with Cortana.3 Or ask her to give driving directions and keep you on top of news, stocks, weather, and more. She’s ready to help whenever you need it.
    Buy Microsoft Band - Microsoft Store

    It's simple: Cortana does not give you directions via the band. At least not in any usable way. I guess if they think saying "Cortana, get me directions to..." and then having me to go to my phone to use it (not the band) for directions as the feature...then that is incredibly misleading.

    You keep bringing up the fact that it works on Android phones. And I'm saying that's great and all...even though I think it's completely coincidental that it "works" there (it just so happens that basically 'everything' is supported on Android phones since it just sends notifications for pretty much everything, it seems). But again, it's super simple. Driving directions when paired with Android devices is just simply not what they're saying is supported. They're talking about Cortana. Windows Phones. You know, like your Icon.

    I love my Band and don't want to return it. I'm not sure why your stance is "if you don't like it, return it". That's kind of a ridiculous stance to take on a product. One can really enjoy a new product, but also see it for what it is (a really cool demonstration product) and also see it's limitations (like the fact that it completely and utterly is destroying my Icon's battery life...I can't even make it half a day now, which is a bit of a let down).

    But the driving directions thing is more of just an annoyance since they're advertising it and it isn't supported at all (again, we're talking about specifically Cortland-delivered Directions). I don't care enough to pursue anything beyond a forum inquiry (BBB inquiry I think is a bit overkill, but if someone wants to go for it, great). At best it is lame, and at worst it is false advertising. I don't care that much because it isn't a big feature for me...but if I were buying a product for a feature that was advertised and wasn't supported, I'd be pretty upset.
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    01-16-2015 02:38 AM
  23. novaprime9's Avatar
    Why do you feel that's misleading? They say "...Or ask her to give driving directions..." Where does it say that you'll receive the driving directions on your wrist? (Who the heck would WANT that anyway? The thing would buzz and you know you're supposed do something, but what? Maybe it's just me, but I think looking at my wrist while driving would be pretty disastrous. lol)

    You can also ask Cortana to give you the current weather. And Cortana will happily fetch it for you. And display it on your phone. Almost any interaction with cortana is just going to fire up the results on your phone, because the band isn't going to be able to show the results.

    Honestly, I read all the same things you pointed to and I never expected driving directions on my band. :\
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    01-16-2015 09:15 AM
  24. gernerttl's Avatar
    Cortana itself is NOT a navigation app. It is nothing more than a personal digital assistant. Just like Siri and Google Now. Neither actually give you turn by turn directions. They answer your query (i.e. "How do I get to the Microsoft Store?") and send the results to whatever default navigation app you use.

    Android/Google Now/Google Navigator = Tight integration (all three are owned and controlled by Google)
    iOS/Siri/Apple Maps = Tight integration (all three are owned and controlled by Apple)
    WP8.1/Cortana/Navigation app of choice = Not quite so tight integration (WP8.1 and Cortana are owned and controlled by Microsoft, but there is no integrated (i.e. Microsoft owned and controlled) navigation app).

    The Band DOES show turn by turn directions... just not on Windows Phone; at least not yet.

    As far as why anybody would want that. I suppose it would come in handy if you are using the pubic transit system and/or walking and you want to keep your hands free for other reasons (like carrying bags or something). Having the haptic vibration would help if you are in a noisy downtown environment where you may or may not hear the voice prompt. It also allows you to walk and focus on what's going on around you while en route to your destination. The haptic vibration will prompt you to look either at the Band or the phone. I've seen so many people walking head down looking at their phones walk into poles and other people because of that.

    So yes, I do see a use for turn by turn notifications on the Band for non-driving situations.
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    01-16-2015 01:32 PM
  25. gadgetrants's Avatar
    I can say for sure that it's pretty annoying in your car when you already have voice prompts from your phone and your wrist keeps vibrating.

    But the "crowded sidewalk" (navigation while walking) scenario is kinda cool. I know I've been in European cities and the last thing I want to do is look like a total tourist by constantly whipping out my cell phone!

    EDIT: I'm sure if everyone sits tight we'll see navigation prompts on the Band with Windows phones sooner or later.

    -Matt
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    01-16-2015 01:49 PM
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