05-01-2015 10:52 AM
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  1. DancingDave's Avatar
    Hi

    Apple has started to ban apps from their AppStore because of mentioning competing wearables in the description. For example Apple has banned the SeaNavUS app for mentioning the Pebble Watch.

    Apple wrote to the developer:

    We noticed that your app or its metadata contains irrelevant platform information in the app. Providing future platform compatibility plans, or other platform references, is not appropriate for the App Store. Specifically, your app and app description declare support for the Pebble Smartwatch. Apple

    So what about the Microsoft Health app? In the description it clearly mentions the Band:

    "Personalize your Microsoft Band and get new features as they roll out."

    Apparently it's forbidden to mention "irrelevant platform information" in the description as well as in the app itself. So how will MS continue to support the Band on iOS if they are not allowed to mention it in the app? They couldn't even write: "Sync Band" or something like that...

    They might have to pull support for iOS I guess.
    prasath1234 likes this.
    04-24-2015 12:10 PM
  2. dKp1977's Avatar
    If Apple starts pulling apps because they're specifically targeting competing accessories, I feel they could be running in some heavy legal antistrust issues.
    04-24-2015 12:37 PM
  3. Thomas Jordan's Avatar
    Yes but because it's Apple nothing will happen with antitrust.
    04-24-2015 12:47 PM
  4. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    Nice guy Microsoft.
    04-24-2015 12:49 PM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    Google has been working on an Android Wear app for iOS, which is reportedly now in jeopardy. What gives, Apple?
    04-24-2015 01:32 PM
  6. sinime's Avatar
    This is the type of thing that makes me hate Apple. I'm surprised they haven't figured out a way to block head phones that aren't made by Beats.

    Edit, it looks like it's just an issue with the app description mentioning a competing product. Still a below the belt move, but not as bad as it sounds. They can just change the description and get it in the store.
    Last edited by sinime; 04-24-2015 at 02:24 PM.
    04-24-2015 02:10 PM
  7. DroidUser42's Avatar
    Hmmm. It appears that in order to run on a Pebble, one must install a app on the Pebble. THAT may be where the problem is. If they simply said "works with Pebble", that's one thing. But if they give a link to the Pebble app, that's another - because now you'r using the Apple store to advertise an app for a competing product. They may have to bury that link in the user guide or perhaps say "see website".
    snowmutt likes this.
    04-24-2015 03:54 PM
  8. DancingDave's Avatar
    Hmmm. It appears that in order to run on a Pebble, one must install a app on the Pebble. THAT may be where the problem is. If they simply said "works with Pebble", that's one thing.
    According to Apple's email that's apparently exactly what the developer did:

    "Specifically, your app and app description declare support for the Pebble Smartwatch."

    So "works with Pebble" is forbidden by Apple's TOC according to that Apple statement.

    BTW: The developer says that he resubmitted the app and it got approved by Apple last night even though the description is still the same and still mentions support for Pebble Watch.

    Edit: Sorry, the BTW-part was not correct. Not the SeaNav USA app was approved but another app that mentions the Pebble. SeaNav is still not approved by Apple.
    Last edited by DancingDave; 04-24-2015 at 04:54 PM.
    04-24-2015 04:31 PM
  9. a5cent's Avatar
    If Apple starts pulling apps because they're specifically targeting competing accessories, I feel they could be running in some heavy legal antistrust issues.
    I have not been keeping up with Apple's app store policies, but two years ago Apple explicitly reserved the right to ban any app for any reason. A developer agrees to those terms by publishing an app.

    A few apps have been removed, and Apple has so far never been taken to court over it. I suspect that would have happened by now if it was easily challenged.
    snowmutt and xandros9 like this.
    04-24-2015 04:37 PM
  10. daredevildan's Avatar
    Pretty misleading. That's not what's going on here. If I create an app and represent it as coming from Pebble then they certainly have the right to complain. That's why we have disclaimers. I don't see anywhere that Apple is banning MS products.
    04-24-2015 06:56 PM
  11. DroidUser42's Avatar
    That's not what's going on here. If I create an app and represent it as coming from Pebble then they certainly have the right to complain.
    I've not seen anything to suggest that's what's happening. "Support" and "from" are two very different things.
    04-24-2015 07:53 PM
  12. hotphil's Avatar
    This is the type of thing that makes me hate Apple. I'm surprised they haven't figured out a way to block head phones that aren't made by Beats.
    I'm sure I read something a while back about Lightning connector and how Apple could well use it for exactly that. Which also frees them from the design considerations imposed by the 3.5mm connection. Won't be long I reckon - once they're reasonably sure the backlash will be no bigger than Dock>Lightning, they'll do it.
    snowmutt likes this.
    04-24-2015 08:12 PM
  13. stephen_az's Avatar
    Even with a question mark at the end, this post is nothing more than misleading click bait. Apple has not banned anything related to Band - just one app for another product that didn't meet the terms of their agreements. So people hate Apple for not having done something vis a vis Band they never said they were doing? People really need to check the paranoia at the door and try living in this world. Getting upset over speculation is just silly. BTW, it is highly unlikely Apple would ever risk their necessary relationship with Microsoft which includes patent sharing and reciprocity agreements, over something so trivial. Believe it or not, the relationship between Microsoft and Apple is stable, productive, and guided by adults. People seem to be confusing Apple with Google on this subject....
    snowmutt, Blu3V3nom07 and Skamath like this.
    04-25-2015 12:41 AM
  14. Intense Soul's Avatar
    I think this is why John Chen CEO of BlackBerry stated about "App Neutrality" previously in an event.

    If Apple starts pulling apps because they're specifically targeting competing accessories, I feel they could be running in some heavy legal antistrust issues.
    04-25-2015 01:46 AM
  15. snowmutt's Avatar
    A part of me understands what kind of objections Apple may have about this. Let's not forget: Apple is the only one of the four major "mobile" competitors (Google, Microsoft, and yes I still count BlackBerry until they quit) whose profits are mostly driven by actual hardware products. The iPhone, iPad, and whatever small but profitable sales they still get from the iPod and Macs are their bread and butter. They look at software (iTunes, their payment system, apps) as a way to drive their consumers loyalty to their hardware. The iWatch or whatever it is has the potential to truly be another billion dollar product. Promoting a rival watch has to be something they are playing a balancing act with. Sure, they want their app store to remain the strongest so apps that support the Band and Pebble help acheive that end, but Apple sure doesn't want to cut off potential smartwatch customers to the Apple Watch, or whatever.

    I would expect some strict rules from Apple on this. It is their app store and their rules, after all. In the end, I am sure the app gets listed.
    a5cent and tgp like this.
    04-25-2015 04:38 AM
  16. wuiyang's Avatar
    well, let them removes it.

    List of Apps that could be removed when apple do it:
    Microsoft Health (for Microsoft Band), Office (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Lens, Lync, 365, Sway, Delve, SharePoint, Power BI), Skype, Skype Kik, OneDrive, Bing, OutLook, XBox SmartGlass (One and 360), XBox Music, Photosynth, Microsoft Tag, MSN (News, Money, Health & Fitness, Sports, Food & Drink), Dynamics (AX, CRM, NAV, Busines), Remote Desktop, and more.

    Most Industries, Company, and Individual Company use Office and Dynamics.
    Most people use Skype, OneDrive, Outlook.
    People might still using Bing and MSN Apps.
    XBox Gamer with apple product use XBox SmartGlass.

    And most importantly, if they removed it, then apple's siri can't use Bing, then siri is BS now.
    realwarder likes this.
    04-25-2015 08:48 AM
  17. Alex Rodriguez Jr.'s Avatar
    Consider Microsoft heavily supports the platform AND Apple Watch, I don't see anything happening. Also, Microsoft Health is a platform, different from Pebble's service. Apple Watch could very well support Microsoft Health.


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    snowmutt and gadgetrants like this.
    04-25-2015 09:32 AM
  18. DancingDave's Avatar
    Good news:

    Pebble has now issued a press release that they reached an agreement with Apple. Developers will still be able to mention the Pebble smartwatch in the app description in the future. The SeaNav update was approved yesterday.

    Also Business Insider quotes sources inside Apple that there was indeed a new rule implemented by Apple within the review process this week to block apps if they mention Pebble or other smartwatches. That rule was now lifted again.
    realwarder and snowmutt like this.
    04-25-2015 10:09 AM
  19. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    Good news:

    Pebble has now issued a press release that they reached an agreement with Apple. Developers will still be able to mention the Pebble smartwatch in the app description in the future. The SeaNav update was approved yesterday.

    Also Business Insider quotes sources inside Apple that there was indeed a new rule implemented by Apple within the review process this week to block apps if they mention Pebble or other smartwatches. That rule was now lifted again.
    So Big company bullied small company into paying them money. That is indeed a happy ending.
    04-25-2015 12:46 PM
  20. realwarder's Avatar
    So Big company bullied small company into paying them money. That is indeed a happy ending.
    Pebble would not have paid money. More likely Pebble sent a nice notice via its legal team if a phone call didn't help.
    04-25-2015 04:01 PM
  21. TechFreak1's Avatar
    You know what, if it played out differently and the two parties couldn't come to an agreement.

    This may have lead Pebble to look for "other" markets .
    04-25-2015 04:23 PM
  22. Wolfjt's Avatar
    I don't think Apple will be banning the health app or anything that has to do with Pebble. I heard it was just a mistake that they banned the SeaNav app. I do believe it's back in the store
    04-25-2015 04:30 PM
  23. Jaredallister's Avatar
    Pebble would not have paid money. More likely Pebble sent a nice notice via its legal team if a phone call didn't help.
    Pebble's legal team vs Apple's legal team? My moneys on Apple's......
    04-25-2015 05:38 PM
  24. DroidUser42's Avatar
    Pebble's legal team vs Apple's legal team? My moneys on Apple's......
    Yeah, but even the best legal team is going to have a difficult time with anti-trust lawsuit. I have a feeling that it was a meeting of the legal teams and Apple decided it was in their best interest. When a dominate player like Apple tries to cut out competitors, lawmakers take note.
    04-26-2015 01:34 AM
  25. a5cent's Avatar
    Pebble would not have paid money. More likely Pebble sent a nice notice via its legal team if a phone call didn't help.
    I don't think Apple did anything wrong, and I see no grounds on which Apple could be legally threatened, so I'm not convinced that is how this went down.
    Last edited by a5cent; 04-26-2015 at 09:49 AM.
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    04-26-2015 08:29 AM
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