1. Furt's Avatar
    So I was expecting to be upgrading my 640 to a 650 on release day, but the current info coming out are showing a MSM8909 210 processor with 1GB RAM. the CPU is clock 100MHz slower and uses an Adreno 304 GPU vs the 305 on the 640.

    I don't doubt the accuracy of the info, but I can't understand how this is going to be considered an upgrade... I have W10M on the 640 and it seems to be running perfectly fine, so I'm starting to really consider keeping it...
    01-13-2016 04:16 PM
  2. Sedp23's Avatar
    I wouldn't get it if anything I would get the 640 xl or the new Alcatel fierce xl

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    01-13-2016 04:20 PM
  3. Furt's Avatar
    I wouldn't get it if anything I would get the 640 xl or the new Alcatel fierce xl

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    I actually do have the 640XL, but the size is too much for me. I'm really pretty bummed out that the windows 10 scene is going full budget or full high-end. I would love to have a 5 inch or smaller screen windows phone with a 410 or 412....
    01-13-2016 04:35 PM
  4. _Emi_'s Avatar
    640 is the best phone you can get for the price, GoPhone is cheap and ATT allowing to unlock the phone for free with no requirement it's good. international version while not as cheap, you can get it like $80-90. so how is that not being the best device?

    Now, talking about 650, yes, it seems it will have a 210. that's what the prototype said, but you have to think about this, the construction will be with some metal on it, not only plastic. so that would give a more expensive look by sacrificing few of the specs.

    640XL is obviously better about the camera. but if you want a 5" phone, 640 should be better than 650, don't think 210 vs 400 is too much difference, but 550 has a 210 and last time I saw a comparison and 640 opened faster all the time, even if Windows 10 is not officially launched for 640.

    So the point of the 650 I think it's to give a more "premium" (yuck word) feeling by sacrificing some specs. but for the price you can get a 640/XL you can't go wrong with it. better wait for some time until you change phones. 640 is still the best phone for the price, and it will need some months to change that.
    01-13-2016 05:56 PM
  5. ElChozoLoco's Avatar
    also, the 650 has a 2000MahH battery, while 640 has 2500. It's a downgrade. Im keeping my 640 for another year or so.
    01-13-2016 06:16 PM
  6. libra89's Avatar
    Regardless, I'm still curious about it.
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    01-14-2016 07:56 AM
  7. mewcatchew's Avatar
    You would assume the next logical step would've been the SD 410... I mean the 635 had the SD 400, then the 640 also had the same SD 400 (although a much improved experience) but now were getting the SD 210 with the 650? I think that is going to turn a lot of people off, no matter how nice it looks or performs. It seems to me they don't want to make these entry level phones so good that it hurts sales of future/current higher end - more expensive windows mobile devices.
    01-14-2016 08:27 AM
  8. fdalbor's Avatar
    With Microsoft you cannot assume anything. Is a metal frame going to make the phone work any better. Even a 410 would have kept alot of the negative away from this phone. As it is, this phone is being set up to FAIL. Plus with the smaller battery, someone needs to have their behind kicked for calling this a upgrade to a reallly good effort with the 640.
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    01-14-2016 08:53 AM
  9. xandros9's Avatar
    This might be a 520 > 530 or 620 > 630 type of situation where they decided to just mix up the compromises made.
    01-14-2016 01:30 PM
  10. aybarrap1's Avatar
    This might be a 520 > 530 or 620 > 630 type of situation where they decided to just mix up the compromises made.

    Possible. But I am put off by the processor. I actually think the 640 has overall decent build quality... Great quality with price factored in. I think upgrading hardware would be more of a seller than a "premium feel". To me personally, a downgrade on processing power is not a compromise I'm willing to make
    01-14-2016 04:18 PM
  11. Jakoh's Avatar
    The 210 and the 400 have the same cores A7, just little slower clock.
    But i agree, i am not about to get another A7 core processor, i need atleast A53 cores or A72 cores or Kyro. I love everything about the 640 XL except having to stare at the screen while it opens things.
    I would ONLY buy the 650 XL if it has a 415 or above. Prefer 650.
    01-14-2016 07:24 PM
  12. DEATH INC's Avatar
    from everything I've seen there is no reason to "Upgrade" to a 650 if your 640 is currently working just fine. While I prefer the look of the 650, the smaller battery and slightly worse specs don't give me any reason to consider it an option unless my 640 dies and there is no replacement on shelves.
    01-14-2016 09:12 PM
  13. theefman's Avatar
    For some reason, the geniuses at Microsoft seem to think a successor device should have inferior or near identical specs to the device its replacing, with minimal other upgrades to warrant buying it. The logical order for their new phones should have been, 5x series with SD210, 6x w 410, 8x w 617 and flagships with the current 808 and 810. With Microsofts thinking thei successor to the 950s would have something like an SD 809/815 (if they existed) instead of the 820. For the 650 it cant be the cost of the CPU as that should be cheap enough now, it just seems Microsoft is trying to cut costs as much as they can and not really thinking about making their devices competitive, and are happy for them to be just good enough rather than excelling. These devices will not be competitive and willl only appeal to the Microsoft faithful, continuing the cycle of low sales for Windows handsets.
    01-14-2016 09:16 PM
  14. Jack Neill's Avatar
    I like my 640. I chose it over my 1020 most of the time.
    01-14-2016 09:27 PM
  15. Jean Claude Lopez's Avatar
    So I was expecting to be upgrading my 640 to a 650 on release day, but the current info coming out are showing a MSM8909 210 processor with 1GB RAM. the CPU is clock 100MHz slower and uses an Adreno 304 GPU vs the 305 on the 640.

    I don't doubt the accuracy of the info, but I can't understand how this is going to be considered an upgrade... I have W10M on the 640 and it seems to be running perfectly fine, so I'm starting to really consider keeping it...
    The only reason you'd buy a 650 is to get W10, which you already have.
    01-15-2016 03:13 AM
  16. TechFreak1's Avatar
    On the plus side when the 650 is released, it might push the price of the 640 down.

    But on the flip side since many it seems would prefer the 640 over the 650 (if it does turn out to have the 210) might push the price back up again :P.
    01-15-2016 04:21 AM
  17. Francisco_dAn's Avatar
    For some reason, the geniuses at Microsoft seem to think a successor device should have inferior or near identical specs to the device its replacing, with minimal other upgrades to warrant buying it. The logical order for their new phones should have been, 5x series with SD210, 6x w 410, 8x w 617 and flagships with the current 808 and 810. With Microsofts thinking thei successor to the 950s would have something like an SD 809/815 (if they existed) instead of the 820. For the 650 it cant be the cost of the CPU as that should be cheap enough now, it just seems Microsoft is trying to cut costs as much as they can and not really thinking about making their devices competitive, and are happy for them to be just good enough rather than excelling. These devices will not be competitive and willl only appeal to the Microsoft faithful, continuing the cycle of low sales for Windows handsets.
    Understand that the 640 (edit:650) is for the business market which differs from the customer side. It needed functionality for business communications in the enterprise first and foremost. You don't need a ton of power when plugging into a MS based enterprise, you just need good connections to key entry points. Other than that, a little flair to say, "this isn't my kids phone I bought at WalMart.". Oh, and the price needs to be reasonable to procurement departments without seeming cheap while being easily supported by IT.
    Last edited by Francisco_dAn; 01-15-2016 at 12:38 PM.
    01-15-2016 04:32 AM
  18. theefman's Avatar
    Understand that the 640 is for the business market which differs from the customer side. It needed functionality for business communications in the enterprise first and foremost. You don't need a ton of power when plugging into a MS based enterprise, you just need good connections to key entry points. Other than that, a little flair to say, "this isn't my kids phone I bought at WalMart.". Oh, and the price needs to be reasonable to procurement departments without seeming cheap while being easily supported by IT.
    Sorry, what? Please define what makes the 640 "for the business market" and what "functionality for business communications in the enterprise" it has over other WP devices.
    01-15-2016 05:53 AM
  19. trivishal's Avatar
    For some reason, the geniuses at Microsoft seem to think a successor device should have inferior or near identical specs to the device its replacing, with minimal other upgrades to warrant buying it. The logical order for their new phones should have been, 5x series with SD210, 6x w 410, 8x w 617 and flagships with the current 808 and 810. With Microsofts thinking thei successor to the 950s would have something like an SD 809/815 (if they existed) instead of the 820. For the 650 it cant be the cost of the CPU as that should be cheap enough now, it just seems Microsoft is trying to cut costs as much as they can and not really thinking about making their devices competitive, and are happy for them to be just good enough rather than excelling. These devices will not be competitive and willl only appeal to the Microsoft faithful, continuing the cycle of low sales for Windows handsets.
    You can get Snapdragon 410 chip as low as 10$, and by this Snapdragon 412 will be around 14$, Snapdragon 415 around 24$ and even Snapdragon 425 would be around 30$ (Totally my assumption except that a Snapdragon 410 chip costs exactly about 10$).
    And, Snapdragon 425 seems to be rebranded Snapdragon 616, and that would to be top of SOC choice for a budget end device, wish if Lumia 650 came with Snapdragon 425 out of the trends.
    01-15-2016 06:06 AM
  20. libra89's Avatar
    The only reason you'd buy a 650 is to get W10, which you already have.
    And also that it will be available unlocked, and ready for updates without carrier interference. Also looking forward to the improved camera.
    01-15-2016 07:39 AM
  21. xandros9's Avatar
    I think I want to point out that the point of phones in this lower part of the lineup is to be "good enough."

    So I'm thinking it's best to not pass down judgement quite yet because although it may not be "faster" it may perform "good enough" just like how the other 400 phones perform "good enough" despite the existence of fancier chips like Apple's A9 or the Snapdragon 600 or 800 series. Could've just decided that the monotony of plastic slabs needs to be broken up or that a premium build needn't cost the earth. (like how the 620 and 520 showed that a nice display and "good enough" performance and features needn't cost the earth respectively.)
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    01-15-2016 11:43 AM
  22. Francisco_dAn's Avatar
    Sorry, what? Please define what makes the 640 "for the business market" and what "functionality for business communications in the enterprise" it has over other WP devices.
    Whoa, big mistake on my part, I meant the 650.
    01-15-2016 12:35 PM
  23. editguy's Avatar
    I'm not sure that anyone can legitimately answer this question until the phone has been released. It might surprise, or it might be exactly what many seem to think it's going to be.
    01-16-2016 12:25 AM

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