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  1. Timbre70's Avatar
    Not asking MS to put in the latest and fastest, but MS downgrading of hardware is really.....
    03-08-2016 04:38 AM
  2. WalrusTangerine's Avatar
    I have no idea why everyone keeps saying it's a downgrade. Processor, screen, design are all better than on the 640. The battery is really the only thing I can see to complain about.
    03-08-2016 08:59 PM
  3. xandros9's Avatar
    Not asking MS to put in the latest and fastest, but MS downgrading of hardware is really.....
    The chips aren't a downgrade, a sidegrade. Similar performance, more efficient.
    If the name was all the mattered, maybe Microsoft should've added an extra zero to their Lumia's and watched them fly.

    The Lumia 9500. 10.215 times better than the previous model!

    I'm kidding of course, but actually it isn't a downgrade. It sounds bad, but it isn't. A Core i3 is better than a Pentium 4 you know! :)

    I have no idea why everyone keeps saying it's a downgrade. Processor, screen, design are all better than on the 640. The battery is really the only thing I can see to complain about.
    ^
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    03-08-2016 09:30 PM
  4. Narathan's Avatar
    Basically MS don't know or care how to run a mobile business.
    What bothers me a bit is the way people look at this phone. From a consumer perspective, this phone is not a good deal. But this phone is meant for business use. Why is 90% of the people in this thread comparing this phone with consumer devices? Thats an entirely different market. Business phones aren't meant to game on for example.

    A device like this has to be durable, cheap and just "work". The 640 is EOL and its cheaper/easier to just get a new device that has support for another few years. Upgrading every phone is a PITA as a business and very time consuming.

    We run Lumia's ranging from 630 to 930's here and all we do is make phone calls, use our agenda/calendar for meetings and some texting. Why would you need unnecessary buffed specs for high gaming performance (seriously guys? seriously?) that ramps up the price if you need the phone for basic tasks?

    And if thats not good enough for your business? Well, there's other option out there. MS doesn't want to cannibalize it's OEMS like it did during the Nokia days (even though that was unavoidable). They said they make a 950 line for the Fans, a 550 for the budget minded and a 650 for the business users.

    So please stop complaining that this device is not worth the money - because if you're a consumer, you're absolutely right. As a business user, this phone ticks all the needed boxes.

    Just my 2 cents.
    03-09-2016 02:55 AM
  5. Paul1266's Avatar
    I picked up this handset yesterday. I own a 950XL as my daily driver. My ten cents: It is definitely NOT a downgrade from the 640 (yep,had one of those). Performance is...well I can't tell any difference. The higher clock speed of the 212 keeps things ticking along nicely. Microsoft have done a good job optimising the experience. Everything is nice and smooth with minimal stutter. The camera is just plain better than the 640s and the display is much better. 16gb storage...yep better and the in hand feel and build quality is also superior. I paid 150 for mine and consider it much better value than my 950XL which cost three times as much. Colour me impressed, this is a classy little handset and will please anyone who doesn't require a mega powerful chipset for gaming.
    03-09-2016 11:58 AM
  6. greedo_greedy's Avatar
    It could have at least matched the Lumia 640 on the gaming end.
    03-09-2016 12:12 PM
  7. Paul1266's Avatar
    It could have at least matched the Lumia 640 on the gaming end.
    It beats out the 640 on virtually every level but price. Some of us don't give a rats arse about gaming (by the way) but I'm not convinced it's significantly less capable on that front. The SD 212 is a step up from the SD 200. A lot of people here (many who haven't even tried the device) just do some slightly daft math a think...well a 400 must be better than a 212. That's just not the case. I repeat, this is a tidy little handset and a BIG step up from the 640 in many areas (previously outlined). The diamond cut aluminium edge is just sheer class. The back fits tight as a drum too. Best 'in hand' feel of any Lumia imho. I am now looking at my creaky plasticky feeling 950XL thinking, WHY??
    Last edited by Paul1266; 03-09-2016 at 12:39 PM.
    03-09-2016 12:26 PM
  8. DrSARANG MALI's Avatar
    It beats out the 640 on virtually every level but price. Some of us don't give a rats arse about gaming (by the way) but I'm not convinced it's significantly less capable on that front. The SD 212 is a step up from the SD 200. A lot of people here (many who haven't even tried the device) just do some slightly daft math a think...well a 400 must be better than a 212. That's just not the case. I repeat, this is a tidy little handset and a BIG step up from the 640 in many areas (previously outlined). The diamond cut aluminium edge is just sheer class. The back fits tight as a drum too. Best 'in hand' feel of any Lumia imho. I am now looking at my creaky plasticky feeling 950XL thinking, WHY??
    Very nicely said. I need this phone, eagerly wainting, all soecifications are ok to me becoz i m not a gaming guy, currently using L1320 but never use for gaming. So Definitely I will buy 650 whenever its available in India.
    Thanks Paul for your tips.
    03-10-2016 01:15 AM
  9. Paul1266's Avatar
    I would also add that the battery life is pretty good too. Feels on a par with my 735 despite the smaller size. This could be down to the newer generation chip or some good optimisation. In any event it should get most users comfortably through the day.
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    03-10-2016 02:28 AM
  10. M7H's Avatar
    I also bought the 650 (White) for my wife.
    I set it up yesterday, and while it was on the charger, and updating 40+ apps, after it was finished, the device DID NOT heat up, at all!

    Well, i've seen that different on my 930!

    To be honest, I was thinking of giving her my 930, and take the 650 myself!

    Also you can see the 650 is a W10 device, and there are a few contradicting settings I have on my 930 (like being able to turn notification for alarms of at 2 locations) not present in the 650, thankfully.

    After the device was set-up, I checked for updates and it went from 10586.11 to 10586.164.
    03-11-2016 04:30 AM
  11. shenandoah's Avatar
    Folks,

    These comments are for the dual sim versions of the 650 compared against the 640:

    I like the 650 dual sim because:
    • metal frame, supposedly more durable
    • slightly more efficient processor
    • more internal memory

    I like the 640 dual sim because:
    • More HSDPA bands (better chance of getting coverage)
    • More LTE bands (the only phone that have more are the 950 and the unlocked iPhone 6)
    • Larger battery
    • Cheaper

    Screen resolution is pretty much the same for both (294 ppi vs 297 ppi); size of the phone is the same. Windows 10 comes installed on the 650. It's not a problem to upgrade the 640 to Windows 10 insider.

    I would still choose the 640 over the 650 because it has more coverage (HSDPA/LTE bands), larger battery, and is cheaper. Just my opinion.

    Eric
    03-16-2016 07:31 AM
  12. Paul1266's Avatar
    You didn't mention the display. 650's screen is a cut above the 640...and the front facing camera. Performance is not noticeably different. In hand feel...no competition, 650 all the way. The 640 feels clunky after handling a 650. Finally, the battery life is surprisingly good for the size. In a video playback test it outlasted the latest gen Moto g with nearly 12hrs stamina.
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    03-16-2016 03:41 PM
  13. lazybum131's Avatar
    What bothers me a bit is the way people look at this phone. From a consumer perspective, this phone is not a good deal. But this phone is meant for business use. Why is 90% of the people in this thread comparing this phone with consumer devices? Thats an entirely different market. Business phones aren't meant to game on for example.

    A device like this has to be durable, cheap and just "work". The 640 is EOL and its cheaper/easier to just get a new device that has support for another few years. Upgrading every phone is a PITA as a business and very time consuming.

    We run Lumia's ranging from 630 to 930's here and all we do is make phone calls, use our agenda/calendar for meetings and some texting. Why would you need unnecessary buffed specs for high gaming performance (seriously guys? seriously?) that ramps up the price if you need the phone for basic tasks?

    And if thats not good enough for your business? Well, there's other option out there. MS doesn't want to cannibalize it's OEMS like it did during the Nokia days (even though that was unavoidable). They said they make a 950 line for the Fans, a 550 for the budget minded and a 650 for the business users.

    So please stop complaining that this device is not worth the money - because if you're a consumer, you're absolutely right. As a business user, this phone ticks all the needed boxes.

    Just my 2 cents.
    Sorry your post has no merit, the 650 is a business phone just because Microsoft says it is? What business features does it have over the Lumia 550? Why would a business choose the 650 over the cheaper 550? All your points would apply for the 650 vs 550 on a cost-benefit analysis: no need for an extra 0.3" of screen real estate), no need for OLED, no need for extra 200MHz CPU, no need for better cameras, no need for 20g less weight or 3mm less thickness. The ONLY difference that I can see that a business would choose the 650 instead is its' user will /need/ the 8GB extra storage and well that's entirely dependent on the use case for that business (and that's assuming they are unwilling to use microSD cards).

    The Lumia 650 is stagnation, period. The design may be great but that doesn't excuse Microsoft for releasing it at $199 US with the specs it has. And in a rarity for Canada, Microsoft Canada has already recognized that and is listing it for a more reasonable $199 CDN, which with current exchange rate is ~$150 US.
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    03-16-2016 07:40 PM
  14. trivishal's Avatar
    Folks,

    These comments are for the dual sim versions of the 650 compared against the 640:

    I like the 650 dual sim because:
    • metal frame, supposedly more durable
    • slightly more efficient processor
    • more internal memory

    I like the 640 dual sim because:
    • More HSDPA bands (better chance of getting coverage)
    • More LTE bands (the only phone that have more are the 950 and the unlocked iPhone 6)
    • Larger battery
    • Cheaper

    Screen resolution is pretty much the same for both (294 ppi vs 297 ppi); size of the phone is the same. Windows 10 comes installed on the 650. It's not a problem to upgrade the 640 to Windows 10 insider.

    I would still choose the 640 over the 650 because it has more coverage (HSDPA/LTE bands), larger battery, and is cheaper. Just my opinion.

    Eric
    And also Lumia 640 has magnetometer (e-compass) and motion core sensor, which Lumia 650 doesn't have.
    Lumia 640 can record Full HD video but Lumia 650 can record only HD video. And, the camera of Lumia 640 is with Backside Illumination(BSI) Sensor and the quality of camera photos taken by Lumia 640 is actually better than that camera photos taken by Lumia 650, as shown by many tech-sites reviews.
    Display of Lumia 640 is better than that of Lumia 650 due to full sRGB screen in Lumia 640 vs the Pentile Amoled display of Lumia 650. The brightness level of Lumia 640 screen is very much significantly higher than the brightness level of Lumia 650 screen.
    Last edited by trivishal; 03-17-2016 at 01:56 AM.
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    03-16-2016 10:19 PM
  15. Paul1266's Avatar
    Do you want to point me to one of the 'many' tech site camera comparisons. You only have to put them side by side to see the 650s screen is better. I know there is s degree of subjectivity here but c'mon it's not even close. I own a 650, and recently sold a 640 so I can actually compare experiences. I suspect many on here comparing the 2 haven't even seen the 650 in the flesh... How about people stop moaning about specs and actually comment on how the phone handles. The staffers on here (Dan etc) have already given their verdict. I kinda agree - it's a pretty decent handset and yes, it's better than the 640 overall in spite of a few omissions. Blurting out spec differences is pointless, it's how it is experienced. Check out the comparisons at Allaboutwindowsphone and Neowin.
    Last edited by Paul1266; 03-17-2016 at 04:55 AM.
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    03-17-2016 04:28 AM
  16. christos michalopoulos's Avatar
    Definitely NOT a downgrade. This phone is super cool!!!
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    03-17-2016 10:35 AM
  17. Elitewolf's Avatar
    If I had to choose all over again I'd take the 650 over the 640 every time. If you need more performance for games than I'd say you need to be looking at a Lumia 950, the new acer phone ect.
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    03-20-2016 02:35 PM
  18. Terrigno's Avatar
    I own the 650 and 640. By no way is it a downgrade. The hardware and lightness if this 650 is all the reason to upgrade. Performance to me is the same. Better selfie camera too.
    03-23-2016 07:33 PM
  19. CL4P-TP-007's Avatar
    If I had to choose all over again I'd take the 650 over the 640 every time.
    I wouldn't. I think the 650 is slightly better overall, but when comparing its price against 640... it's such a huge difference (at the moment) that you could buy 2 or even more 640's depending where you're from.
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    03-24-2016 10:35 AM
  20. Elitewolf's Avatar
    I wouldn't. I think the 650 is slightly better overall, but when comparing its price against 640... it's such a huge difference (at the moment) that you could buy 2 or even more 640's depending where you're from.
    Of course if your in the U.S. at this time you can get the att branded for almost nothing. But back when I bought mine I payed way more almost as much as a 650 costs now. If they're priced similarly like in the rest of the world I'd choose the 650.
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    03-26-2016 02:14 AM
  21. dubor99's Avatar
    The design is better though and the it's the thinest windows phone with 6.9mm and also comes with 16gb rom which unfortunately is the only significant upgrade ober 640/xl

    Sent from windows 10 mobile
    03-27-2016 08:21 AM
  22. Johnny Digital's Avatar
    Can an owner confirm the existence of a magnetometer/compass, or if it's truly missing? IE if you open map app, does the icon that represents you change direction when you rotate the phone?
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    03-29-2016 09:52 PM
  23. Timbre70's Avatar
    It's a "cheap" phone with many missing features and is touted for business users. I am speechless. What do you think?
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    03-30-2016 08:30 AM
  24. HSolo's Avatar
    My observations indicate that the direction of the icon that represents you changes based off forward motion, and not any compass. Based off GPS movement and not compass at all. Every smart phone I have had that has a compass built in, only rotates the map once it figures out the direction I am moving in.....
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    03-30-2016 12:35 PM
  25. trivishal's Avatar
    Lumia 650 has no Magnetometer( Compass), Sensor core which the Lumia 640 has.
    04-01-2016 09:28 PM
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