10-01-2015 11:26 PM
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  1. peachy001's Avatar
    ^really? the SGS6 is frequently dinged for having worse battery life than previous phones.

    really hope they use the same pen tech as Surface so that I can just use one pen for multiple devices. don't want to buy more pens.
    To be honest, I am basing that statement on my friend's experience. He is always using it, but after 30 hours, he was still at 45%.
    06-02-2015 01:51 AM
  2. Krystianpants's Avatar
    I was hoping they had some revolutionary intel chip they could showcase. Ahh Well. Specs seem nice but if it looks anything like the 640XL or any of those ugly phones, I'll stay away. Fisher Price phones just aren't my thing.
    06-02-2015 08:18 AM
  3. macgyverated's Avatar
    I have to say that I find myself a bit surprised at all the negative reaction to the specs.
    I'm an IT professional and I use my phone A LOT. For A LOT of different things. It's a 1020.
    Not that I would turn down a micro SD slot, but I've never hit the limit of the phone's built-in memory. The phone's 768 screen is plenty sharp and vibrant, and the device response and app load times are great. There is almost nothing that I need it to do that I won't do, and I'd venture to say that as an IT professional, my actual needs surpass those of many.

    So here we have specs leaked that blow those of my 1020 out of the water (with perhaps the exception of the camera) and so many of you are just like, "Whatever".
    Have we become so jaded that we are no longer impressed for more than 10 minutes at the AMAZING amount of technology packed into these small devices?
    I feel that evaluating phones is not unlike evaluating cars. The specs are only part of the story. The combination of all the specs in to the experince of using it, much like the experince of driving a car, can at times become more than the sum of their parts. A Mazda Miata/MX-5 is not going to win in ANY objective measure of performance against a Corvette or Lamborghini. But it is a BLAST to drive, and one of the most rewarding driving experiences one can have.
    And as we should all know, Windows Phone has always run better (or just as well) on lesser hardware than iOS or Android.

    In short, none of us really have anything at all to complain about. And if you think you do, I'd suggest its rooted more in bragging rights than actual need.

    I'm not saying we shouldn't strive to make ever better devices. I'm not saying that the progress of technology should stop. But more and more as I read these forums, I leave with the feeling that all I've done is listen to a bunch of whiny, spoiled, petulant children moan and complain because the device in question isn't sufficiently "shiny" enough to warrant their time and break through their short attention span.
    I'm not a sports fan, but how many of you would immediately ditch your favorite team just because they lost a few games in a row, or had a bad season?
    Folks, the only way Windows Phone is going to survive and eventually thrive is if we stand behind it and support it. If we remain committed fans. If we continue to root for the underdog and not be led away by another device with better specs (especially when, overwhelmingly, most of you don't really even need the improvement). It's okay to constructively point out flaws and shortcomings, and make suggestions. But this "It's just not good enough for my inflated ego" attitude that has become so prevalent is off-putting. That's the kind of attitude I'd expect from hipster iSheep, not people that are open-minded and technically savvy enough to explore other options.
    06-02-2015 10:18 AM
  4. NMCynthia's Avatar
    A HUGE thank you for that well thought out post!!
    06-02-2015 10:57 AM
  5. Brent Starnes's Avatar
    Being an IT professional means nothing, many of us here are in IT. Almost any run of mill mid-level phone will accomplish most IT needs, as your 1020 demonstrates. The reasons many people need removable storage, better battery life, etc. is because of things like watching movies or taking lots of high res pictures and videos can use the space. Yes you can stream stuff, but that requires a good wifi or mobile connection and can quickly eat away your monthly data cap.

    "In short, none of us really have anything at all to complain about." - Just because the phone is plenty good enough for you doesn't mean that the other people 'complaining' don't have valid arguments. There are tons of non-MS phones out there that provide all the things people are asking for, and it's a shame MS is content to give up that segment of the market with little fight.
    06-02-2015 11:03 AM
  6. Jakoh's Avatar
    Metallic unibody frame would mean no removable battery
    And no wireless charging.
    Neither of the things most dont care about. Wireless charging is a fad.
    06-02-2015 11:27 AM
  7. Jakoh's Avatar
    Then its not exactly "unibody" lol.

    Wrong. WC posted an article, where the source claims that the design is similar to that of the 830, and the back is removable, so is the battery and SD card.

    Read the article: Microsoft's two Windows 10 flagship phones may support USB Type-C | Windows Central
    06-02-2015 11:30 AM
  8. gizzzmo's Avatar
    I believe that there is a difference between a metallic unibody (McLaren) and metallic unibody frame (e.g. Lumia 925, Lumia 930). Hoping for wireless charging, still one of my favourite Lumia features!
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    06-02-2015 11:32 AM
  9. peachy001's Avatar
    @Jakoh. I have to disagree. Wireless charging was something I didn't bother with for months, I even posted my charging plate for sale. But, I noticed several people mention how convenient it was, which gave me the nudge to try it. So glad I did, if only for the fact that my usb port gets a rest. I wouldn't buy a phone without it now.
    06-02-2015 11:32 AM
  10. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Neither of the things most dont care about. Wireless charging is a fad.
    My house is awash in wireless chargers, and I have one in my car mount. I got them all for sale for pretty cheap. What looks better a plate or a cord hanging off a wall? When it's time to charge up you don't have to play hunt for the cord, orient the plug, then plug in. Is it necessary? No. But we do a lot of things that aren't necessary, but are still convenient and better than the "old way". When Ikea releases its furniture with built in QI you can bet I'll be buying several pieces.
    06-02-2015 12:04 PM
  11. DalekSnare's Avatar
    x40 was the early 2015 line of WP 8.1 phones. I'd expect it to be called the Lumia 950 XL; that way it seems like the top of a new generation of Lumias and not a belated flagship from the last generation.
    06-02-2015 12:36 PM
  12. smoheath's Avatar
    x40 was the early 2015 line of WP 8.1 phones. I'd expect it to be called the Lumia 950 XL; that way it seems like the top of a new generation of Lumias and not a belated flagship from the last generation.
    You've got a really good point. If they do give it the Lumia moniker, I hope they go with 950. However, I think they should use the Surface name for flagship phones. It has a more premium vibe to it.
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    06-02-2015 12:53 PM
  13. EspHack's Avatar
    im more worried about losing my 928's xenon flash... and hoping its a proper AMOLED with glance, the iris scanner sounds very interesting really, having to type in a pin every time its annoying as hell on a computer let alone a phone..
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    06-02-2015 01:02 PM
  14. gizzzmo's Avatar
    The build-up for a new flagship has been really something else and Microsoft simply can't afford not to get it PERFECT this time round. The expectations are high and let's hope that our prayers for a top-notch device will be answered. I am after a beautifully designed device with a top-quality screen and no overheating issues (looking at you Snapdragon 810). As long as that's delivered I will be delighted with everything else included in the handset and welcome it as a bonus.

    Microsoft and old-Nokia folks - get it right, please!
    06-02-2015 01:24 PM
  15. YanivC's Avatar
    Thats what One Drive is for ;)
    06-02-2015 01:43 PM
  16. peachy001's Avatar
    im more worried about losing my 928's xenon flash... and hoping its a proper AMOLED with glance, the iris scanner sounds very interesting really, having to type in a pin every time its annoying as hell on a computer let alone a phone..
    I'm favouring an IPS LCD display, I think that is what my 920 has, and I love it.
    06-02-2015 02:04 PM
  17. egonomist's Avatar
    not necessarily, unibody frame is a a frame of one peace, which does not mean body out of one piece, I am afraid it will be the square frame with back cover that the 830, 925, 930 etc already had. I would really prefer a rounded bottom providing more comfort to the hands.
    06-02-2015 02:21 PM
  18. Muessig's Avatar
    I don't think these are bad features and I'm sure we don't *need* anything more than this, but at this stage any new flagship device for WP is good. However WP has to be at least comparable to the best of the other platforms to get any sort of mindshare going among consumers. It certainly helps if it innovates in a few areas to make it desirable.

    Put it this way - if I can go out and spent XXX on a phone with a certain spec for android or iOS, I'll expect something more to make me consider a platform that's unfamiliar. You could say that the single-experience that MS is going for across all devices is enough of a differentiator but I'd say you need something specific in the hardware to make people want to research the benefits of the ecosystem itself.

    I just hope there is something like a really big battery or further innovation or even the value for money that sets the new flagship devices apart.
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    06-02-2015 02:29 PM
  19. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    This is shaping up to be a massively disappointing Windows 10 Mobile launch for me. Everything's just so heavily sitting in the bare-minimum realm. This alleged device is basically just a 1520 with a removable back and a moronic iris scanner. I'm sitting here wondering if the presence of an iris scanner isn't not only a non-beneficial feature, but something detrimental enough to keep me away from the device. How does iris recognition go over when you want to let someone borrow your phone for a bit? How's it go for when a kid wants to use a parent's phone for games? It just seems like a moronic piece of fluff, like fingerprint readers (I had one of those on a laptop years ago, and it was much more trouble than it was worth for the unlocking novelty).

    Meanwhile, the rest just reeks of doing the absolute minimum to get by. A 20-MP camera matches the 2-year-old 1520, as does the 32-GB + microSD option. The SD 810 means you are back into the problematic territory of W8's launch, where the fall release put Lumia flagships in the awkward transition from the current chips and the new ones. Basically, this device will launch with an SoC that's 7-8 months-old, and the competition will put out 820-packing devices about 4-6 months later (in that typical spring windows for Android devices, which is when SD SoCs get refreshed).

    I'd have to hear about some insane OIS/image algorithm improvements to be accepting of this device. I honestly don't mind the 810's presence, but the fact everything seems to check the "what do we HAVE to have?" boxes is so disappointing. I'd like to see a base of 64 GB of storage. I'd like to see a 1080p display over QHD because it's such a waste of battery life. I'd like to see even a small resolution bump on the camera, to maybe 25 MP (something to distinguish the optics from the base 940, and issue I felt would have been present between the 930 and 1520, if not for their spaced-out releases). Don't know optics well enough to understand what this flash will mean, but I don't even use the flash on my 920 because the low-light performance is already beyond good enough.

    All of my whining, it's my way of saying I'd rather W10 launch with something amazing, not something on-par with the competition that already has the love of most consumers. It's the same issue of W8, where the hardware was pretty much what the competition was already offering to folks for 6-8 months with the Samsung Galaxy S III and HTC One X. I want Microsoft's flagship to be good, and I want it to succeed. The impressive existence of Continuum will be sweet, but on the hardware side, I want something other than that dumb iris scanner. Give me an IR blaster for TV control.
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    06-02-2015 03:11 PM
  20. bo_woods's Avatar
    This is shaping up to be a massively disappointing Windows 10 Mobile launch for me. Everything's just so heavily sitting in the bare-minimum realm. This alleged device is basically just a 1520 with a removable back and a moronic iris scanner. I'm sitting here wondering if the presence of an iris scanner isn't not only a non-beneficial feature, but something detrimental enough to keep me away from the device. How does iris recognition go over when you want to let someone borrow your phone for a bit? How's it go for when a kid wants to use a parent's phone for games? It just seems like a moronic piece of fluff, like fingerprint readers (I had one of those on a laptop years ago, and it was much more trouble than it was worth for the unlocking novelty).

    Meanwhile, the rest just reeks of doing the absolute minimum to get by. A 20-MP camera matches the 2-year-old 1520, as does the 32-GB + microSD option. The SD 810 means you are back into the problematic territory of W8's launch, where the fall release put Lumia flagships in the awkward transition from the current chips and the new ones. Basically, this device will launch with an SoC that's 7-8 months-old, and the competition will put out 820-packing devices about 4-6 months later (in that typical spring windows for Android devices, which is when SD SoCs get refreshed).

    I'd have to hear about some insane OIS/image algorithm improvements to be accepting of this device. I honestly don't mind the 810's presence, but the fact everything seems to check the "what do we HAVE to have?" boxes is so disappointing. I'd like to see a base of 64 GB of storage. I'd like to see a 1080p display over QHD because it's such a waste of battery life. I'd like to see even a small resolution bump on the camera, to maybe 25 MP (something to distinguish the optics from the base 940, and issue I felt would have been present between the 930 and 1520, if not for their spaced-out releases). Don't know optics well enough to understand what this flash will mean, but I don't even use the flash on my 920 because the low-light performance is already beyond good enough.

    All of my whining, it's my way of saying I'd rather W10 launch with something amazing, not something on-par with the competition that already has the love of most consumers. It's the same issue of W8, where the hardware was pretty much what the competition was already offering to folks for 6-8 months with the Samsung Galaxy S III and HTC One X. I want Microsoft's flagship to be good, and I want it to succeed. The impressive existence of Continuum will be sweet, but on the hardware side, I want something other than that dumb iris scanner. Give me an IR blaster for TV control.
    I think the iris scanner sounds great.
    Windows hello demoed on Intel's real sense looked really nice, and if you don't want to use it then you fortunately won't have to use it, and also windows hello, like Apple's fingerpint scanning doesn't takeover the lockscreen alone.
    If you set up Windows Hello, then when powering up your phone, just like demoed at the event, you will be prompted for a password like normal, but if you are the human Windows Hello was set up to recognize then the device will recognize you, unlock, and you will say "Hello Windows 10 for Phones". Happily ever After!

    Also I'm not sure what laptop you used or how old it was, but I assure you that fingerprint tech has evolved and whatever laptop you used, must not have used fingerprint tech to it's best ability, as Apple's fingerprint sensor works flawless in my experience.

    Also I agree with you about them not seeming to be preparing an astounding phone. It just seems like they just want to make a Lumia styled version of the android flagships running Windows 10. I honestly wish they would just make their own special processors for Lumia's, instead of using what Qualcomm whips up each year. That just keeps their flagship phone right on par with other OEM's, when they should be instead thriving to exceed the other OEM's in power/features.

    I honestly expected/wanted the specs to be something more like...

    Lumia Pro ( Sounds better than a three digit number so whatever, gonna stick with this moniker for now )\

    • 5-5.2inch 1080p display, IPS LCD with great improvements to achieve the colors and blacks of AMOLED ( nothing wrong with 2k, but on 5inch, it is unnecessary)

      An aluminum rim similar to the 830 (love the 1520/925/830 corners) with a back similar to the 930. Colored backs should be swappable, but not as easy and flimsy to plop off like the 830. Should be like the 925/930 back. Colors should include White, Black, Red, Yellow, Cyan, Orange, and Green.. If making this many back is a problem, they can sell the colored ones separately

      Camera should be 41 megapixels with xenon flash or triple LED as said in rumors, improved lowlight, and greatly decreased graininess.. 4k recording of course

      Front camera should be 5-8 megapixel

      Processor should just IMO be powerful enough to run the phone smoothly for years to come, and run continuum with ease

      Battery should be around 3000mah

      I like AMOLED but due to the possibility of screen burn, worse sunlight readability, and less crispness. I think it would be simpler just to make an LCD with improved blacks and punchier colors.

      All this while keeping the device at 8.5mm would be perfect

      32gigs of built in storage with 64, and 128 size options would be nice. With the rise, promotion and beauty of the cloud, they should just not worry about micros and try and push OneDrive to keep files together

    Lumia Pro XL
    • All the same specs as above except with a 6inch 2k display (2k is still unnecessary at this size, but the bigger display needs to be somewhat sharper)

      Also a bigger battery

      And both Pro and Pro XL should have n trig open support

    OneNote would be so great on phones with pen support!

    I kinda went off tack and just gave my dream phone specs, but whatever
    Last edited by bo_woods; 06-02-2015 at 03:58 PM.
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    06-02-2015 03:16 PM
  21. mikepalma's Avatar
    All sounds great except the stupid numbering scheme. Dump 940. Call it Lumia XL. Joe blow consumer doesn't care about this absurd set of #'s. I love WP and want it to succeed - keep the names simple and memorable
    06-02-2015 03:23 PM
  22. bo_woods's Avatar
    I don't care about a removable battery myself. Just make it big enough and I'm happy to keep the phone sealed up. Same with storage. 32 gig or more is plenty for me. To the cloud with everything else.
    I agree, also removable batteries take away from the design being premium. The gaping tab at the bottom of the 830 ( and the fact that the back apparently flies off when dropped) just detracts from the design and screams "HEY IM A CHEAP BUDGET PHONE!!", while the front/sides of the device is busy screaming "HEY IM NOT CHEAP, LOOK AT MY METAL & MY BEAUTIFUL FRONT GLASS!!"
    06-02-2015 03:24 PM
  23. esackbauer's Avatar
    use 128GB microsd cards, or upload to cloud
    06-02-2015 04:01 PM
  24. Al4video's Avatar
    I do a lot of video with my phone and there is no storage like internal storage. It works far better than sd cards. I hope they make 128 gigs an option.
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    06-02-2015 04:16 PM
  25. peachy001's Avatar
    @ Keith & Bo...Between you, I think you nailed it. IPS screen. But, I would ditch 32gb memory, and just start at 64gb. A real differentiator, not some spec match to early 2015 flagships. And lets not forget that Apple launch around September time. So our devices need to look the part too. If only the Snapdragon 820 was launching a little earlier, we would be in a much better place.
    Last edited by peachy001; 06-02-2015 at 05:20 PM.
    06-02-2015 05:05 PM
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