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  1. monkeysaintfun's Avatar
    This is shaping up to be a massively disappointing Windows 10 Mobile launch for me. Everything's just so heavily sitting in the bare-minimum realm. This alleged device is basically just a 1520 with a removable back and a moronic iris scanner. I'm sitting here wondering if the presence of an iris scanner isn't not only a non-beneficial feature, but something detrimental enough to keep me away from the device. How does iris recognition go over when you want to let someone borrow your phone for a bit? How's it go for when a kid wants to use a parent's phone for games? It just seems like a moronic piece of fluff, like fingerprint readers (I had one of those on a laptop years ago, and it was much more trouble than it was worth for the unlocking novelty).
    How does the inclusion of an IRIS scanner even affect you? It doesn't stop you letting a friend use your phone, nor does it hinder kids playing with their parents phone. You're acting like Windows Hello is Biometric login only and no other way of getting into your device.

    The original passcode method will still apply AND it wouldn't surprise me if you could add more then one set of user data for the IRIS scanner.

    An IRIS scanner doesn't hinder your usage at all, if you don't want to use something that will only make your phone easier to use and more secure at the same time just DON'T USE IT! I hate people who moan about a feature that many will use just because they are seemingly incapable of turning the damn feature off or just not using it..
    06-02-2015 06:27 PM
  2. ccsnet's Avatar
    Hi all - been a lurker here for a bit and as a Android fan since the early days I can only say I'm excited for Windows 10 ( been on Linix for a while ) and these new phones.

    I'm hoping they are as good as they sound.

    On the 'what do you need front' slower processors and lower res screens which work just as well save battery life. As a Note 3 user this would be a bonus :)

    One question - Native Pen Support..... I've seen this mentioned in a number of places including here - Is there any details of what this is ?

    Will the Pen come with the device ( ie Note style ) or buy separatly ( ie HTC style )... ?

    Thanks

    Terran
    06-02-2015 07:15 PM
  3. Yazen's Avatar
    I hope Windows Hello is fast enough so that one could avoid the lockscreen altogether. One of my little nitpicks is the mandatory lockscreen.

    On phones that have glance I'd much rather go straight into the start screen...
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    06-02-2015 07:29 PM
  4. macgyverated's Avatar
    Being an IT professional means nothing, many of us here are in IT. Almost any run of mill mid-level phone will accomplish most IT needs, as your 1020 demonstrates. The reasons many people need removable storage, better battery life, etc. is because of things like watching movies or taking lots of high res pictures and videos can use the space. Yes you can stream stuff, but that requires a good wifi or mobile connection and can quickly eat away your monthly data cap.

    "In short, none of us really have anything at all to complain about." - Just because the phone is plenty good enough for you doesn't mean that the other people 'complaining' don't have valid arguments. There are tons of non-MS phones out there that provide all the things people are asking for, and it's a shame MS is content to give up that segment of the market with little fight.
    So you have 1 post, but make the statement that "many of us here are in IT." How would you know? And if you have been "lurking" long enough to glean that info, I'm curious why you chose my posts to pop your head up and say something.
    Yes, I'm in IT. But I also have Media Browser, Plex, several IP camera apps, home security and surveillance apps, Spotify, Hulu Plus, Netflix, Kindle, Insteon home automation, My Media Center (to work with my HTPC), and TeamViewer on my phone. I'm a very heavy data and media user, yet astonishingly, I never go over 1.5GB per month on data. I may use 20 GB on Wi-Fi, however. I guess my point is that if you are the kind of person that demands having a top-tier phone with bleeding edge specs, it's likely you also have Wi-fi at home, and most likely at work. And If not, you may be better served by scaling back a tad on the phone and buying a home wi-fi router.
    Being in IT, I often am stuck at the office late or on the weekends doing updates. I have hundreds of MP3's and over 200 Kindle books on my phone, as well as (currently) 4 feature-length movies stored on there (compressed by Handbrake), and I still have 6GB of data left. I swap the movies out periodically. I don't feel a need to have my entire collection on there at all times.

    And I never said others didn't have valid arguments or criticisms. In fact, I explicitly said it was okay to constructively offer suggestions and critiques. But that in no way negates the pervasive attitude of entitlement that many users have adopted, especially in the context of how much they have already received (often thanklessly) by those that work their butts off to create that technology.
    Last edited by Guytronic; 06-02-2015 at 07:50 PM.
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    06-02-2015 07:34 PM
  5. michail71's Avatar
    How does the inclusion of an IRIS scanner even affect you? It doesn't stop you letting a friend use your phone, nor does it hinder kids playing with their parents phone. You're acting like Windows Hello is Biometric login only and no other way of getting into your device.

    The original passcode method will still apply AND it wouldn't surprise me if you could add more then one set of user data for the IRIS scanner.

    An IRIS scanner doesn't hinder your usage at all, if you don't want to use something that will only make your phone easier to use and more secure at the same time just DON'T USE IT! I hate people who moan about a feature that many will use just because they are seemingly incapable of turning the damn feature off or just not using it..
    Actually, I wonder if phones under a policy restriction will be able to use the retina scanner over the passcode?
    06-02-2015 08:57 PM
  6. Al4video's Avatar
    I do a lot of video with my phone and there is no storage like internal storage. It works far better than sd cards. I hope they make 128 gigs an option.
    06-02-2015 09:09 PM
  7. chmun77's Avatar
    Until I see the real thing, I'm taking all these rumors a pinch of salt. I'm more concern about if apps availability is going to pick up its speed after W10 for phone is released. Don't need powerful hardware where there is nothing to install on the phone.
    06-02-2015 09:58 PM
  8. Ntropy99's Avatar
    Not sure why it is a "fad", but I lay my phone on the charger every night. I would call it convenient and a must have feature.
    06-02-2015 11:01 PM
  9. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I think the iris scanner sounds great.
    Windows hello demoed on Intel's real sense looked really nice, and if you don't want to use it then you fortunately won't have to use it, and also windows hello, like Apple's fingerpint scanning doesn't takeover the lockscreen alone.
    If you set up Windows Hello, then when powering up your phone, just like demoed at the event, you will be prompted for a password like normal, but if you are the human Windows Hello was set up to recognize then the device will recognize you, unlock, and you will say "Hello Windows 10 for Phones". Happily ever After!

    Also I'm not sure what laptop you used or how old it was, but I assure you that fingerprint tech has evolved and whatever laptop you used, must not have used fingerprint tech to it's best ability, as Apple's fingerprint sensor works flawless in my experience.

    Also I agree with you about them not seeming to be preparing an astounding phone. It just seems like they just want to make a Lumia styled version of the android flagships running Windows 10. I honestly wish they would just make their own special processors for Lumia's, instead of using what Qualcomm whips up each year. That just keeps their flagship phone right on par with other OEM's, when they should be instead thriving to exceed the other OEM's in power/features.

    I honestly expected/wanted the specs to be something more like...

    Lumia Pro ( Sounds better than a three digit number so whatever, gonna stick with this moniker for now )\

    • 5-5.2inch 1080p display, IPS LCD with great improvements to achieve the colors and blacks of AMOLED ( nothing wrong with 2k, but on 5inch, it is unnecessary)

      An aluminum rim similar to the 830 (love the 1520/925/830 corners) with a back similar to the 930. Colored backs should be swappable, but not as easy and flimsy to plop off like the 830. Should be like the 925/930 back. Colors should include White, Black, Red, Yellow, Cyan, Orange, and Green.. If making this many back is a problem, they can sell the colored ones separately

      Camera should be 41 megapixels with xenon flash or triple LED as said in rumors, improved lowlight, and greatly decreased graininess.. 4k recording of course

      Front camera should be 5-8 megapixel

      Processor should just IMO be powerful enough to run the phone smoothly for years to come, and run continuum with ease

      Battery should be around 3000mah

      I like AMOLED but due to the possibility of screen burn, worse sunlight readability, and less crispness. I think it would be simpler just to make an LCD with improved blacks and punchier colors.

      All this while keeping the device at 8.5mm would be perfect

      32gigs of built in storage with 64, and 128 size options would be nice. With the rise, promotion and beauty of the cloud, they should just not worry about micros and try and push OneDrive to keep files together

    Lumia Pro XL
    • All the same specs as above except with a 6inch 2k display (2k is still unnecessary at this size, but the bigger display needs to be somewhat sharper)

      Also a bigger battery

      And both Pro and Pro XL should have n trig open support

    OneNote would be so great on phones with pen support!

    I kinda went off tack and just gave my dream phone specs, but whatever
    A lot of what you said at the start is kind of my point, though. Unless you're dying to unlock your phone with your eye (and how reliable will the tech even be, to know when you want the device open, vs. using Glance?), there's just not that much going on with this device. Fingerprint tech's improved, but it's still something where if you don't line the finger up properly, it's going to be problematic. I'm not one to use a password on my phone because I don't hand my phone out to people or leave it on a random table. The iris scanner just sounds like another potential means of gathering personal data (I'm 100% a paranoid person with this stuff, no lies), and it sounds like more of a meaningless gimmick than something to offer meaningful functionality to the OS and its handsets.

    For SoCs, I'm fine with Qualcomm's stuff, partially because the alternatives are somewhat lacking (Samsung doesn't push its chips to other OEMs, and Intel's not shown that Atom chips can power phones well),. The problem is that Microsoft wants to use the Apple release schedule when it's 6 months AFTER the hardware launches. They could get away with on-par SoCs to Galaxy and One devices if they were launching phones in the spring, but they're not. They're using on-par hardware 6 months late, which means the fresh Lumia chips are about to get replaced, and the improved stuff's already been at least somewhat announced, making the new Lumia stuff nearly dead.

    As for your ideal specs, I don't care for most of it. It's just whatever on a page. I'd take anything from 4.5-6.0" and any display resolution of 1080p higher, as resolution on the display just doesn't get me excited. I'd take 32 GB of storage base with microSD, I get by fine with the 32 GB in my 920. Honestly, the ho-hum upgrades would be fine if they launched alongside the Android competition, but the fact it is 6 months late makes me want more because the SoC's about to get replaced/improved upon. That's why I ask for things like the improved camera from the 930/1520 and more storage.
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    06-02-2015 11:26 PM
  10. michail71's Avatar
    If you are that paranoid you are at much grater risk having yourself compromised by a stolen phone or snooper than anything else.

    Now the stuff Microsoft "could" do with something like Kinect can be a source of paranoia. :) That can tech can identify individuals, their moods and listen in on conversations.
    06-02-2015 11:41 PM
  11. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    I have to say that I find myself a bit surprised at all the negative reaction to the specs.

    Folks, the only way Windows Phone is going to survive and eventually thrive is if we stand behind it and support it. If we remain committed fans. If we continue to root for the underdog and not be led away by another device with better specs (especially when, overwhelmingly, most of you don't really even need the improvement). It's okay to constructively point out flaws and shortcomings, and make suggestions. But this "It's just not good enough for my inflated ego" attitude that has become so prevalent is off-putting. That's the kind of attitude I'd expect from hipster iSheep, not people that are open-minded and technically savvy enough to explore other options.
    Um.
    We're discussing consumer products, from Multi Billion Dollar corporations, that strive to get our hard earned money and attention.
    The hell I won't be comparing Lumia devices with others.
    This isn't a religion or a political idealogy; we don't know owe Microsoft anything other than the MSRP on the side of the box.
    Keith Wallace likes this.
    06-03-2015 12:23 AM
  12. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    Until I see the real thing, I'm taking all these rumors a pinch of salt. I'm more concern about if apps availability is going to pick up its speed after W10 for phone is released. Don't need powerful hardware where there is nothing to install on the phone.
    Ding ding ding.

    All the hardware in the world, inside a Lumia, won't do much good, if Microsoft can't deliver a functional music player, or you're unable to post a photo for your social network to Instagram or stream an event to Periscope, or able to participate in a multi person chat, or video conference on the phone without Skype crashing.
    chmun77 likes this.
    06-03-2015 12:28 AM
  13. Gregory Newman's Avatar
    If Verizon sells this smart phone i will upgrade from my Nokia Lumia 928 that I now OWN after finishing a 2 year contract. but then again why go through that again since the Nokia Lumia 928 can be upgraded to Windows 10 and seem like a brand new smart phone. HMM that is something to ponder about.
    06-03-2015 01:13 AM
  14. johnson_patrickw's Avatar
    Having data on an SD card isn't relying on a single set of data...
    06-03-2015 02:02 AM
  15. raycpl's Avatar
    I agree, also removable batteries take away from the design being premium. The gaping tab at the bottom of the 830 ( and the fact that the back apparently flies off when dropped) just detracts from the design and screams "HEY IM A CHEAP BUDGET PHONE!!", while the front/sides of the device is busy screaming "HEY IM NOT CHEAP, LOOK AT MY METAL & MY BEAUTIFUL FRONT GLASS!!"
    I wont care if its removable or not as long as it last 1days on regular use and 12hrs on heavy usage. Neither is it a big deal if it pops off or not. It should be solidly built to escapes unscathed after being dropped.
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    06-03-2015 02:26 AM
  16. djeire84's Avatar
    Omg that all sounds tech crazy!! I would of loved if it was made by Nokia as they are indestructible. But yes I'm loving the spec sheet so far!!
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    06-03-2015 02:28 AM
  17. maverick786us's Avatar
    Metallic unibody frame would mean no removable battery
    I happened to criticize non removable battery, but now I realized, that a uni-body device with non removable battery is the most stable design of all. How many times do we change the battery, unless the battery is damaged, where company will replace it under warranty. Nokia 7610 was my first smartphone, Lumia 900 was my first Windows phone, later followed by Lumia 920 and now 930, there isn't a single occasion, where I have to change the battery
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    06-03-2015 03:35 AM
  18. maverick786us's Avatar
    Im pretty sure i will not stream my Pictures, Videos and Songs which cover 90% of my storage. Micro SD it is then. I just hope the Card-Storage integrates well in Windows 10 Mobile.
    Hell no!!, its a high end premium flagship device, which need premium material, not some cheap rubber or plastic
    06-03-2015 03:40 AM
  19. Ickis99's Avatar
    Hell no!!, its a high end premium flagship device, which need premium material, not some cheap rubber or plastic
    Why does a Card Slot mean, that is has to be some cheap material?
    06-03-2015 05:41 AM
  20. maverick786us's Avatar
    Why does a Card Slot mean, that is has to be some cheap material?
    Damm , slight mistake, my thread was in context to this post

    Instead of metallic I would suggest a rubberize phone  so if one drop it, it would not break but bounce.
    06-03-2015 07:35 AM
  21. nubbikins's Avatar
    Warning: Dissertation incoming.....

    If these leaks are true, it has some pretty good specs and Continuum/Windows Hello/USB-C are awesome. In my opinion, I still wouldn't count this as a flagship. In order to be one, it will have to have premium branding and set itself apart from the Lumia line which sadly enough has a reputation (at least in the US) of just being another cheap phone. Sad but true. The only way they will break that cycle is to create a Surface Phone or something along those lines, just as Apple did with iPhone and Samsung did with the Galaxy/Note lines.

    They need to break out of this numbering scheme as well. Average consumers don't understand it, just as if you were to tell them it's "an Octa-core 810 processor with clock speeds of up to 2.6 GHz". They will simply look at you with a WTF look on their face.

    I may be wrong one day, but for now, I just don't see these features being enough to really get consumers to switch from what they already have. I can only say this for the US market though. Here, people are always looking for the next greatest thing and it has to have a premium look and feel to it. Most people don't even know what the specs mean, but they look at the style of it and think "This must be the best phone ever!".

    When people see my 1520, they say that it is a cool phone but they also always tell me "There is just nothing exciting enough about Windows Phone to make me switch." and "Isn't it lacking a bunch of apps?" Hopefully Windows 10, Continuum and Windows Hello will be able to start turning this around.

    In order to get people to switch, they really need to come out with something ground-breaking, not "just another windows phone." Plus, unless developers start picking up with Windows 10, then we will still be stuck in the whole chicken and the egg loop.
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    06-03-2015 09:16 AM
  22. Tempest790's Avatar
    Are they married to the 32GB limit?

    "No one will ever need more than 32GB on a phone. Ever!"

    Apple sells 128gb versions of the iPhone. I don't want the XL but the regular 940. If it doesn't have an SD option, forget it. Maybe 2016. Or 2017.

    The new Lumia 990+ XL with 32GB of storage in the year 2021. :-/
    06-03-2015 09:37 AM
  23. michail71's Avatar
    I know a few iPhone people that have problems managing the 128 GB storage. Mostly from selfies though, lol.
    06-03-2015 09:59 AM
  24. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    Slim design with Metallic unibody frame ( Mo matter what Lumia Build Quality is good !!! )
    5.7 inch, 2560 x 1440 resolution display ( This just became the Phone I need, over a 640 XL or 1320 )
    Octa-Core Snapdragon 810 with Adreno 430 GPU ( This would make me happy to Upgrade from Lumia 1020, as it's time to retire the 1020)
    3 GB RAM Very Happy !!)
    32 GB internal storage ( More then enough space, would be super awesome with MiniSD card)
    MicroSD card slot(GSM arena- no sd card) ( hope there is a spot for MiniSD card !!!!)
    5 MP FFC ( Good but not really important to me)
    20 MP PureView camera ( More then enough Camera)
    Short Pulse variable-tone LED Flash
    Continuum for Phones support ( Yes !!!!! Awesome)
    Iris Scanner ( Not important, just added bonus)
    Native Pen support ( Yes !! Yes !! Yes!! I want to buy it now......Someone at Microsoft Please take my Money NOW!!!!!!! )
    USB Type-C & Dual-Role support ( This is a nice Upgrade !!!!!)

    Now just need 2 things to happen for me to jump as quick as I can onto this.......A Microsoft Smart Watch, and a listing of what radio frequency's , with luck I can use it on WIND !!!!
    06-03-2015 11:09 AM
  25. bo_woods's Avatar
    Slim design with Metallic unibody frame ( Mo matter what Lumia Build Quality is good !!! )
    5.7 inch, 2560 x 1440 resolution display ( This just became the Phone I need, over a 640 XL or 1320 )
    Octa-Core Snapdragon 810 with Adreno 430 GPU ( This would make me happy to Upgrade from Lumia 1020, as it's time to retire the 1020)
    3 GB RAM Very Happy !!)
    32 GB internal storage ( More then enough space, would be super awesome with MiniSD card)
    MicroSD card slot(GSM arena- no sd card) ( hope there is a spot for MiniSD card !!!!)
    5 MP FFC ( Good but not really important to me)
    20 MP PureView camera ( More then enough Camera)
    Short Pulse variable-tone LED Flash
    Continuum for Phones support ( Yes !!!!! Awesome)
    Iris Scanner ( Not important, just added bonus)
    Native Pen support ( Yes !! Yes !! Yes!! I want to buy it now......Someone at Microsoft Please take my Money NOW!!!!!!! )
    USB Type-C & Dual-Role support ( This is a nice Upgrade !!!!!)

    Now just need 2 things to happen for me to jump as quick as I can onto this.......A Microsoft Smart Watch, and a listing of what radio frequency's , with luck I can use it on WIND !!!!
    You literally just listed the exact same specs/features that are already rumored to come lol
    taymur likes this.
    06-03-2015 11:22 AM
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