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  1. Zulfigar's Avatar
    Yes, but you bought something you know that was launched in 2013 and will be outdated in some ways.
    If a new version of the 1020 was to be launched in 3 months with a SD810, would you buy it? Many people won't because of bad reputation of the SoC.
    That's really a doubtful statement, considering there's still phones that haven't been released yet that is still taking advantage of the SD810, and one phone comes to mind - OnePlus Two.

    If Microsoft can handle the heating issues right (the HTC One M9 got better after a firmware update), then awesome, but if not (Sony Z4), then it'll be heartbreaking and the press will eat it up, and I doubt nobody wants that.

    In light of all this though, the phones haven't been officially announced, so lets find out what happens in a couple months, then go from there.

    Now, the SD810 vs SD820 has to wait, because the SD820 hasn't made any official benchmarks yet (there is an unofficial one out there, and yes, there's promise, but not enough to really merit anything innovative). Sorry, but at this time and age, it's no longer a specs war, but a feature and look war (which right now, I like the LG G4 over anything else, so much eye candy in that leather back).
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    07-18-2015 09:12 AM
  2. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The specs debate aren't fun because it is about the improvements of the new processors over their predecessors and new processors bring new features that never existed before . Think, how 2k and 4k display came and are going to come & be used, the evolution and usage of 3G and LTE occurred, the increase in battery size and it's efficiency, power usage management, the smoothness and fluidity of smartphones usage,voice activation support( Cortana, Google Now, Siri) l, how the new chips are going to support Continuum, and many more. If you think these are funny, not a result of development of ARM PROCESSORS, then you are right.
    There's a measurable difference between 3G and LTE. The human eye can't tell the difference between a 2k or 4k display. Well it can, when reading a spec sheet that means nothing.

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    07-18-2015 10:34 AM
  3. anon(5969054)'s Avatar
    Who says the 820 doesn't have heat issues?

    I think the best we can wish for is a custom chip made by their partnership. One that has zero problems and is fast enough. I don't care from what original date the original chip is. Its all about the way you use it in your device. I think MS can do that well. HTC just takes latest chip without any modding and puts it in a flagship as fast as possible. When MS is busy with modding and releasing a modded 808 it is actually new again because it is modified! It is a new chip! It might actually perform better than a 820 without any modding.
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    07-18-2015 11:08 AM
  4. trivishal's Avatar
    Who says the 820 doesn't have heat issues?

    I think the best we can wish for is a custom chip made by their partnership. One that has zero problems and is fast enough. I don't care from what original date the original chip is. Its all about the way you use it in your device. I think MS can do that well. HTC just takes latest chip without any modding and puts it in a flagship as fast as possible. When MS is busy with modding and releasing a modded 808 it is actually new again because it is modified! It is a new chip! It might actually perform better than a 820 without any modding.
    Snapdragon 820 processor based on rumours is a quad core custom Kyro SOC chip with next generation Adreno GPU. I suppose that it would be nice for Microsoft to leave Snapdragon 810 processor in Lumia 940XL and Snapdragon 615 processor in upcoming Lumia 850 which are only gimmick Octa core processors that have really much heating issues.
    Last edited by trivishal; 09-26-2015 at 05:24 AM.
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    07-18-2015 11:53 AM
  5. Jazmac's Avatar
    The specs debate aren't fun because it is about the improvements of the new processors over their predecessors and new processors bring new features that never existed before . Think, how 2k and 4k display came and are going to come & be used, the evolution and usage of 3G and LTE occurred, the increase in battery size and it's efficiency, power usage management, the smoothness and fluidity of smartphones usage,voice activation support( Cortana, Google Now, Siri) l, how the new chips are going to support Continuum, and many more. If you think these are funny, not a result of development of ARM PROCESSORS, then you are right.
    Don't get it twisted for the sake of proving a negative. I'm not at all saying evolution doesn't have its place. My point is simply these threads that speak to the masses as if the smart phone community are all computer scientists. They are not. Most are not. The majority is not. People want good features, usable features at a reasonable price point. Period. Do they want faster downloads? Sure. That is made possible with LTE. Longer battery life? Of course. Voice activation like Hey Cortana,(something I happen to be a fan of). Yo google, or whatever you say to an android, absolutely! People want that. 4k screens are gorgeous. But leaving 4k screens to the side, can you get all of what you're talking about right now in exiting Windows Phone hardware, damn Skippy. On top of all the hardware talk is the software that rides above it.

    The Lumia 900 did what it did smoothly, efficiently and quickly that comparable android software could not do at the time could not do without stronger and more robust hardware. I discovered this myself at a T-Mobile back in the day. So again, I'm not against new hardware but I do find it in threads such as this one amusing. Because it always begin like an innocent discussion about rumor to what's been announced to what some blogger surmised from some tweet they read to articles to message board hardware heads which culminate in an all out Sir Galahad level swashbuckling sword fight. I've seen it play out over and over again and I am immensely amused by it.
    07-18-2015 12:08 PM
  6. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Don't get it twisted for the sake of proving a negative. I'm not at all saying evolution doesn't have its place. My point is simply these threads that speak to the masses as if the smart phone community are all computer scientists. They are not. Most are not. The majority is not. People want good features, usable features at a reasonable price point. Period. Do they want faster downloads? Sure. That is made possible with LTE. Longer battery life? Of course. Voice activation like Hey Cortana,(something I happen to be a fan of). Yo google, or whatever you say to an android, absolutely! People want that. 4k screens are gorgeous. But leaving 4k screens to the side, can you get all of what you're talking about right now in exiting Windows Phone hardware, damn Skippy. On top of all the hardware talk is the software that rides above it.

    The Lumia 900 did what it did smoothly, efficiently and quickly that comparable android software could not do at the time could not do without stronger and more robust hardware. I discovered this myself at a T-Mobile back in the day. So again, I'm not against new hardware but I do find it in threads such as this one amusing. Because it always begin like an innocent discussion about rumor to what's been announced to what some blogger surmised from some tweet they read to articles to message board hardware heads which culminate in an all out Sir Galahad level swashbuckling sword fight. I've seen it play out over and over again and I am immensely amused by it.
    About as much fun as watching a one-legged man in a booty-kicking contest.

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    07-18-2015 04:34 PM
  7. Steve Adams's Avatar
    I have said this before, and I will say it again, stop spec shopping. Specs are not everything. Its about user experience. If the User Experience is awesome, who the flipping fudge cares whats under the hood! I am anxiously waiting in line now for 2 950 xl phones. They will complement our 2 128gb surface 3s perfectly.
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    07-23-2015 02:21 PM
  8. Steve Adams's Avatar
    The spec thing is not as scary as the Lack of apps thing! just to put that out there. I hope MS gets the dev's on board with their new programming.
    07-23-2015 02:27 PM
  9. Big Papa Smurf's Avatar
    Tomorrow's flagship will be yesterday's news the minute you buy it. If you absolutely must have the latest and greatest, I hope your last name is Rockefeller so you can afford to buy a new phone every 3-4 months. Buy what suits you now and stop worrying about the future, you might get hit by a bus this afternoon.
    Thank you!!!

    Average Joe Schmo doesn't know one processor from the other. Specs only matter if you are looking for them.
    If I was to tell my grandparents( iPhone users) and my wife (Note4) that they had the exact same processor in them, but simply ran different OSes, they would believe me. They don't know the difference. They do know they prefer their respective OSes and the FEATURES of the phone.
    I actually had to talk my wife OUT of a M8 to the Note... Because it had a pen.

    Now if i could just get them to try WP...
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    07-23-2015 02:49 PM
  10. iBandar's Avatar
    I have been with Windows Phone since 2009, I don't think people who buys Windows Phone cares about spec that much.
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    07-23-2015 03:00 PM
  11. neo158's Avatar
    I have been with Windows Phone since 2009, I don't think people who buys Windows Phone cares about spec that much.
    Same here, specs are only good to look at on paper and WP clearly shows that if the software is properly optimised for the hardware, then you don't NEED the latest and greatest hardware to run it.
    07-23-2015 04:05 PM
  12. Steve Adams's Avatar
    Same here, specs are only good to look at on paper and WP clearly shows that if the software is properly optimised for the hardware, then you don't NEED the latest and greatest hardware to run it.
    Apple proves the same thing. If the hardware is optimized then it does not matter if its the fastest processor or whatever. That only matters with android where the OS is so power hungry you need mental processors and umpteen gigs of ram to make it smooth.
    07-23-2015 05:40 PM
  13. maverick786us's Avatar
    It has to be a note 5 killer, where the benchmark of the CPU & GPU has to be similar to that of note 5 and Camera BETTER. If MS opt for SD 808, then SCREW!!!! MS and Qualcomm too, who is unable to fix the heating issue with SD 810 and 820, because of which MS had to opt for a low end hardware.

    I know that WP phones are not power hog like Android and a WP doesn't need such a high hardware configuration as Android. But when we go for a flagship device, specs does matter, we all are specs hungry. For a camera to perform better, we always need a better CPU.
    07-23-2015 11:37 PM
  14. Steve Adams's Avatar
    No, for the camera to perform better it needs to be optimized with software. CPU is only part of the overall equation. Ram speed is another part of the equation and the biggest piece is software related.
    07-24-2015 05:28 AM
  15. maverick786us's Avatar
    You need a better processor for fast processing of high quality images at more than 20MP. A fast processor is also good for burst mode.
    Last edited by maverick786us; 07-24-2015 at 06:59 AM.
    07-24-2015 06:04 AM
  16. Steve Adams's Avatar
    Its not as important as software. I have been involved with professional DSLRs for many years. And how the software processes is much more important than the processor itself.
    07-24-2015 06:19 AM
  17. a5cent's Avatar
    You need a better process for fast processing of high quality images at more than 20MP. A fast processor is also required in burst mode.
    No you really don't.

    Spec geeks that understand nothing about technology (except bigger spec numbers = better) will tell you the iPhone sports what is basically a low end SoC (dual core, 1.3GHz clock, etc), yet it's one of the fastest shooters around. How does it do that despite completely contradicting your point about specs?

    The proof is everywhere that 99% of people have zero understanding how specs do or do not translate into perceivable performance benefits. That's just not what people are interested in learning. It's too complicated, because it involves the intangibilities of software.

    MS would be wise to order a custom SoC from Qualcomm and then rebrand it as the X10 SoC, release a few benchmarks showing how capable it is at running directX or processing large images, but not publish any of the traditional specs like cores or clocks. That would take them out of the specs contest, just like Apple.

    It's high time.
    Last edited by a5cent; 07-25-2015 at 06:27 AM. Reason: formatting only
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    07-24-2015 06:43 AM
  18. Mikegwald's Avatar
    My 640xl performance is the same as my nexus 6 . Specs are nothing but wool for the sheeps.
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    07-24-2015 07:06 AM
  19. maverick786us's Avatar
    No you really don't.

    Spec geeks that understand nothing about technology (except bigger spec numbers = better) will tell you the iPhone sports what is basically a low end SoC (dual core, 1.3GHz clock, etc), yet it's one of the fastest shooters around. How does it do that despite completely contradicting your point about specs?
    iPhone shoots 8MP images at burst mode. Can it shoot 20MP images with the same speed maintaining the same quality and details? Nokia 808 has a separate image processor, that's why it is able made even current generation Galaxy S6 and Optimus G4 a run for money.

    Yes software matters for the optimization. iOS is very much optimized compared to Android, therefore at low SoC it outperforms in benchmark as well as image quality. Android is developed in JAVA therefore it requires more memory for garbage collection, thus requires higher specs and RAM. iOS is purely LINUX and the overall OS is very much optimized.

    But if you have better software, that doesn't mean that you should ignore the specs have use low specs with the flagship devices, compared to its competitors.
    07-24-2015 07:10 AM
  20. a5cent's Avatar
    But if you have better software, that doesn't mean that you should ignore the specs have use low specs with the flagship devices, compared to its competitors.
    No. You can almost always safely ignore the specs. What you should not ignore is performance. Those just aren't the same things...

    My whole point is that specs rarely translate directly into performance. 90% of the time you're not getting the performance listed on high-end SoC's spec sheets anyway, since clocks are throttled down to less than half of their paper based specs.

    iPhone shoots 8MP images at burst mode. Can it shoot 20MP images with the same speed maintaining the same quality?
    It's obvious that Apple's current SoC can't handle a 20MP image just as quickly as an 8MP image. More work at the same speed means longer processing times. That's just completely missing the point.

    The better question is if a future SoC from Apple with the same dual-core 1.3GHz specs could handle a 20MP image just as fast as their current SoC can handle 8MP images? To that question the answer is definitely YES! Why? Because it's NOT the CPU that does that image processing, but other parts of the SoC for which nobody lists specs. Nothing on the spec sheet tells you anything about DSP and GPU based image processing performance.

    That's actually a great example of how consumers don't understand how specs do or do not translate into perceivable performance gains.
    Last edited by a5cent; 07-25-2015 at 06:25 AM. Reason: formatting only
    07-24-2015 07:29 AM
  21. kokola's Avatar
    MS should just use Snapdragon S4 for all their future devices...apparently spec does not matter with wp.
    Oh...and be prepared to pay the same price as other flagship phone.
    07-24-2015 09:04 AM
  22. a5cent's Avatar
    MS should just use Snapdragon S4 for all their future devices...apparently spec does not matter with wp.
    Oh...and be prepared to pay the same price as other flagship phone.
    It really shouldn't be that hard of a concept to grasp:

    Specs don't matter... performance does... not the same thing.
    Last edited by a5cent; 07-25-2015 at 06:26 AM. Reason: formatting only
    07-24-2015 09:20 AM
  23. fatclue_98's Avatar
    It really shouldn't be that hard of a concept to grasp:



    Specs don't matter... performance does... not the same thing.
    There's an old adage a former racer taught me when I was getting in the game - Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.
    07-24-2015 09:50 AM
  24. camstreet1's Avatar
    It's pretty hard to get excited about the upcoming 'flagships'. Nokia/MS hasn't made a phone with genuinely impressive hardware since the Pureview/1030, and it sounds like the camera on these phones is even inferior to those sensors. 6-12 months late to the party, once more...
    07-26-2015 01:21 PM
  25. Steve Adams's Avatar
    The 20mp pureview is an amazing sensor. Being optimized it will be better than any camera on a phone that is built at that time. I can assure you. apple, LG , samesong, and HTC will all be behind the 950 in image quality.
    07-27-2015 04:28 AM
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