1. Mike Santagata's Avatar
    Every time a new smart phone, or any device nears announcement, leaks begin to surface more and more frequently. Including rumored specs, and images. However, notice everyone's been quiet so far about the 940/xl. Has anyone seen any credible purported images of said devices?
    07-19-2015 11:59 AM
  2. Jas00555's Avatar
    Microsoft has gotten very good with keeping hardware secret (Band, Surface 3/Pro 3), so I wouldn't be surprised if they're also making sure no one can leak these devices either.

    Plus, while none of us has seen it, apparently Daniel Rubino has seen a lot of them.
    07-19-2015 12:16 PM
  3. Mike Santagata's Avatar
    Yeah I guess that's true. Im certainly not doubting its existence, I know Daniel has confirmed them. I just would like to know more. It sounded like Daniel said they were rounded like the 640. I just hope they dont look as ugly ad the 640. It would he nice if they were metal unibody, but Daniel said they're polycarbonate.
    07-19-2015 02:13 PM
  4. bo_woods's Avatar
    I thought they were going to be polycarbonate with a metal chassis like the 830
    07-19-2015 02:40 PM
  5. xandros9's Avatar
    Apple used to be pretty watertight too so leaks aren't necessarily GOING to happen.

    but yea, those photos are probably in the same dungeon as would-be leakers I would guess. Gooantanamo Bay.
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    07-19-2015 02:46 PM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Apple used to be pretty watertight too
    Seems to me Apple always leaked a prototype by having some "dude" leave one "accidentally" in a bar.
    07-19-2015 04:17 PM
  7. Mike Santagata's Avatar
    I would like to see a metal chassis. Like my Lumia 925 was. But after using this m8 for windows, I like the all metal.
    07-19-2015 10:38 PM
  8. to_be_announced's Avatar
    I think the reasoning for polycarbonate is to allow for wireless charging.
    07-20-2015 12:23 PM
  9. bo_woods's Avatar
    I think the reasoning for polycarbonate is to allow for wireless charging.
    Which is why the continuation of a polycarbonate back with a metal rim is a decent combo
    07-20-2015 01:50 PM
  10. maevinj's Avatar
    07-21-2015 09:41 AM
  11. Cody Patterson's Avatar
    It doesn't make sense for a modern dat flagship not to have a 8mo front camera. Even midend devices have high quality front shooter. 5mp is nothing. And knowing current Lumia front shooters like the icon really suck, so it would be great if for once Microsoft would actually release a device with all high-end specs instead of just some. I hope the final announcement proves us wrong and they have a higher quality front camera, as well as possibly 4gigs of ram if for no other reason then to be comparable to the competition. Consumers care about numbers, even if those numbers like 3 vs. 4 gigs of ram on a windows phone aren't important.
    07-21-2015 11:14 PM
  12. to_be_announced's Avatar
    @maevinj

    See this on your link:
    will launch sometime in October or November with a metal design
    I've read so much on these new phones and about half say the phone will be poly and the other half say they'll be metal. Honestly think no one outside of Microsoft has any idea what they'll be like. I sure hope they don't look like the pic in your link. Those top and bottom bezel's are horribly big.
    07-22-2015 09:31 AM
  13. Beijendorf's Avatar
    It doesn't make sense for a modern dat flagship not to have a 8mo front camera. Even midend devices have high quality front shooter. 5mp is nothing. [...] I hope the final announcement proves us wrong and they have a higher quality front camera [...]
    The quality of a camera is not just how many pixels it captures. The sensor size, sensor type, subpixel size and lenses are a lot more important, as well as the processing software behind it all. For a front camera with no ability to incorporate a decent flash, you want fewer but larger pixels, to capture light better (think HTC 'Ultrapixel'). With 'selfie' cameras, the subject is rarely more than 50 cm away, so having 15-20 megapixels to capture detail becomes pointless.

    Let's wait for more information on the cameras before we label them as not being high quality, or we risk looking like dumb consumers stuck in the pixel race.
    07-23-2015 05:37 AM
  14. Cody Patterson's Avatar
    The quality of a camera is not just how many pixels it captures. The sensor size, sensor type, subpixel size and lenses are a lot more important, as well as the processing software behind it all. For a front camera with no ability to incorporate a decent flash, you want fewer but larger pixels, to capture light better (think HTC 'Ultrapixel'). With 'selfie' cameras, the subject is rarely more than 50 cm away, so having 15-20 megapixels to capture detail becomes pointless.

    Let's wait for more information on the cameras before we label them as not being high quality, or we risk looking like dumb consumers stuck in the pixel race.
    We know this, and as a photographer/graphics designer for a living, I definitely know this lol. That's why the back camera I so important to me. But Microsoft has never gotten the front facing camera right on a highend or flagship device before. Front facing camera are what sell. No one is asking for a 15mp+ camera were asking for a great sensor and a 8mp shooter. That isn't a ridiculous request. That seems pretty basic in today's world. If they want to reach young people (which are the people who really get the phones popular), then they need quality selfie cameras.
    Beijendorf likes this.
    07-23-2015 10:25 AM
  15. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Here's a render based on insider info and descriptions from people who have had hands on with the phone.

    cityman-mockup.png

    Full story here:Microsoft's Cityman and Talkman flagship Lumia phones and what you need to know | Windows Central
    Ed Boland likes this.
    07-23-2015 01:52 PM
  16. kklemn's Avatar
    WOW! looking at those renders... screen bezels on the sides are very thin! and the bottom part and the top part are very short... comparing to the L930, is it possible that it will be roughly the same size (screen difference is only .7 inch)?

    If that is the case i'm sooo buying that!!!
    07-23-2015 03:39 PM
  17. Steve Adams's Avatar
    I agree that if its a quality 5mp camera, its fine. I have seen fairly large prints from a Minolta 5d which is a 5mp SLR camera that would put photos from any canon rebel to shame which even the lower model XT is 8mp. We took photos using the t3i which is something like 16mp and the photos from the lowly 5d were way better. SPEC'S are NOT everything. I keep preaching this, because it's true. User experience and the end product is.
    Ed Boland likes this.
    07-24-2015 06:24 AM
  18. Cody Patterson's Avatar
    I agree that if its a quality 5mp camera, its fine. I have seen fairly large prints from a Minolta 5d which is a 5mp SLR camera that would put photos from any canon rebel to shame which even the lower model XT is 8mp. We took photos using the t3i which is something like 16mp and the photos from the lowly 5d were way better. SPEC'S are NOT everything. I keep preaching this, because it's true. User experience and the end product is.
    That is the whole point though, specs mean everything I'd the user experience is boosted by better specs. Since Microsoft has never done a good job with front facing cameras, better specs will immediately help the camera.
    07-24-2015 11:07 AM
  19. Cody Patterson's Avatar
    I agree that if its a quality 5mp camera, its fine. I have seen fairly large prints from a Minolta 5d which is a 5mp SLR camera that would put photos from any canon rebel to shame which even the lower model XT is 8mp. We took photos using the t3i which is something like 16mp and the photos from the lowly 5d were way better. SPEC'S are NOT everything. I keep preaching this, because it's true. User experience and the end product is.
    Also I have a t5i, the camera takes fantastic photos. The sensor is incredible. Everything matters from user to software to hardware. I can take photos that put 2500$ dslr's to shame why? Because i know how to. But that is completely different for basic smartphone selfie cameras, you need quality specs for it to work well, from sensor to software.
    07-24-2015 11:10 AM
  20. gernerttl's Avatar
    08-04-2015 06:23 PM
  21. david90531's Avatar
    I'm definitely liking the old reveals better than the newest one, although I don't know how correct these renders are, seems like we're getting a pretty close idea now. Cityman is definitely the one I would go with ultimately I think, looking at both prototypes.. I wish the screen size is not as big though
    09-02-2015 12:46 PM
  22. kwright62's Avatar
    Follow that web address for a little peak inside Microsoft. There is nothing secret inside but there is a link to their policy on prototypes.

    proto.microsoft.com

    The security certificate warning will come up. I just clicked past it.
    09-06-2015 10:55 PM
  23. gernerttl's Avatar
    I wish the screen size is not as big though
    I think we're getting to the sweet spot in screen sizes. Samsung who essentially introduced the world to the phablet has pretty much found that 5.5 - 5.7 in screen size. As for non-phablets, 4.5 - 5.2 in seems to be the sweet spot most people like.

    I have the Icon with a 5 in screen and I think that is the perfect size. I'm not a phablet fan though, so the 950 would be my preference.
    09-06-2015 11:27 PM
  24. zkyevolved's Avatar
    Seems to me Apple always leaked a prototype by having some "dude" leave one "accidentally" in a bar.
    Lol, now that you mention it... If it's not on purpose, they should really change their hipster requisites... It seems like all iPhone's that are leaked are left by alcoholics that have "one too many" at the bar and for their "NDA" and "Top Secret" cell phone.... xD
    09-07-2015 12:39 AM

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