10-05-2015 09:50 PM
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  1. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I take issues with your disadvantages, sir. I own both Lumia 1520 and a HTC M8 for windows phone and I find...
    2. no more blinking led when charging - my HTC has a separate led light for notifications in the speaker grill it always comes on when charging. I have no light when charging my L1520
    3. No more possibility of having coloured keys matching your accent - never happed with L1520 always white, on my M8 I can set the OSK for always dark, match background, match accent
    4. No more possibility of using the windows logo as a notification led thus requiring a separate notification LED - also never happened hence number 2
    5. It would be impossible to tell if your phone has completely locked up (frozen screen) or not, as pressing the capacitive keys you get vibration feedback if not fully locked up - OSK supports vibration when with key press.
    while I still like have capacitive keys, I can't deny that OSK are useful and I feel that if your going to state the advantages and disadvantages that you should have your facts straight. there is also a unlisted advantage in where the OEM don't have to make a separate phone for windows software hence the savings in time and cost for manufacture.
    That's why we have glance. I don't need a notification LED. Hence why 1520 >m8 for most people.

    CHanging navigation buttons color is a gimmicky features.
    07-27-2015 07:47 PM
  2. rory753's Avatar
    I've been using the 640xl, and really enjoy the onscreen keys. i like that if i don't want them there, they're not there, and if i need them, they're there. having options is great. also, when i hand the phone to the kids to play a game, they don't accidentally hit a key and go home/back/search. all in all, I'm glad the 950 is getting this feature.
    EMINENT 1 likes this.
    07-29-2015 07:05 PM
  3. pavvento's Avatar
    I've been using the 640xl, and really enjoy the onscreen keys. i like that if i don't want them there, they're not there, and if i need them, they're there. having options is great. also, when i hand the phone to the kids to play a game, they don't accidentally hit a key and go home/back/search. all in all, I'm glad the 950 is getting this feature.
    This happens almost everytime I give my phone to someone to take pictures so it could be a plus.
    EMINENT 1 likes this.
    07-29-2015 07:07 PM
  4. someone2639's Avatar
    I think I like the 640's idea of swiping from the bottom to hide/show the keys. Free bragging rights along with it being intuitive
    libra89, gpobernardo and xandros9 like this.
    07-31-2015 10:46 AM
  5. jaygeek's Avatar
    That's the problem... If they hide, you can't actively use them. Example: It's a #dealbreaker for me (and I've been waiting years already for a flagship) @Lumia phones must have dedicated hardware keys (camera button, yo!) AND capacitive keys BELOW the screen! Just try to tap the back button (or Windows or Cortana/Search buttons) when the button disappears or the Notification Center COVERS the buttons!
    08-03-2015 12:49 PM
  6. rory753's Avatar
    the default is they don't hide, and they stay up. you actually have to manually make it hide, like on a desktop taskbar. it'll be ok.
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    08-03-2015 12:57 PM
  7. ArtificiallyYours's Avatar
    I don't see what the crisis is. I mean people go up in arms about the resolution of their display, demanding OEM's to take the fullest advantage, and get the fullest use out of their panels... Aren't they technically doing this?

    Not going to defend every decision (I prefer denser bulk than thinness), but a flagship display would have no problems with on-screen menu keys.
    08-05-2015 02:09 AM
  8. EMINENT 1's Avatar
    I actually prefer screen keys too - on my 920 I was always hitting the buttons in a game and leaving it. While OS updates improved that over time, screen keys that vanish when in a game are good as you don't accidentally hit the buttons. And in a video too. I remember the 920 ones glowing while watching a movie - I know they could physically dim but the refinement of doing that wasn't implemented from the video player. Screen buttons are easily hidden.



    Exactly my problem. I quit gaming on my phone because accidentally hitting those damn buttons sucked every time. The glowing sucked too. Nothing worse than getting search when you had no intention of searching or backing out of an app I was using and losing my work because of that damn back button.

    Love the clean look of Motorola and LG phones.

    Good riddance!
    08-08-2015 03:00 AM
  9. ArtificiallyYours's Avatar
    If they are going to off-screen navigation/search keys anymore then at least make them tactile? I miss push-button navigators like we all miss QWERTY Keyboards. The feel and sound of a button's 'click' is satisfying, more-so than the aesthetic gimmick of fixed hardware touch keys
    08-08-2015 12:31 PM
  10. Desynthesis's Avatar
    Thinking about on-screen buttons, and having used my mom's Lumia 630, I've realized that I could get behind on-screen buttons with one condition: integration with apps. In other words, say I'm using FB Messenger (since Facebook removed any phone OS' ability to use its own messenger client to use FB messaging, thanks). it has its own bar of buttons at the bottom.

    I don't think I'll accept requiring two bars of buttons on the screen. It's bad enough I'm losing real-estate as it is (and the idea that the bottom bezel will be significantly smaller isn't actually proven--it's going to still have a microphone port, right?). Require major app produces merge the bottom bar with the "virtual buttons", its not like they'll be short of space (any app that has 6 or more buttons on the bottom toolbar has issues of its own).

    So, in the case of Messenger, you'll have a toolbar that has the add contact button, the refresh button, the search button, the back button, and the home/windows button, and the phone search button. Maybe hide the ones that would be redundant.

    I don't want two bars (which, let's face it, are likely not to match for color or design reasons).

    At least this way, we're getting some advantage out of the virtual button bar. Otherwise, I'm quite content to stick with my Lumia 830--the three buttons work fine (and it's not as though some aspect of virtual buttons couldn't break), and the light doesn't bother me since I'm not staring into my phone while I sleep (doing so would probably rule out glance too, which is awesome). That's just my position anyway.

    And, of course, they need to have vibration or some sort of tactile response. That's a given.
    08-12-2015 09:44 AM
  11. Lothario#CB's Avatar
    (Like the Cortana/search button on my 1520 has started having a mind of it's own lately, and launches Cortana randomly)
    Hey Ed: that's a known (but not widely publicized issue). I hammered at it for a few weeks but ended up just going with a hardware swap which fixed it. I suspect that it's a hardware issue is introduced via stress, possibly screen torque. In any case, the swap was the only thing that fixed it. just FYI.
    08-13-2015 01:29 PM
  12. Ed Boland's Avatar
    Hey Ed: that's a known (but not widely publicized issue). I hammered at it for a few weeks but ended up just going with a hardware swap which fixed it. I suspect that it's a hardware issue is introduced via stress, possibly screen torque. In any case, the swap was the only thing that fixed it. just FYI.
    While it may be, it only happens on my 1520 when I'm running the win10 previews (even the latest 10512 build). I alleviate this by setting the "touch" sensitivity to normal and turning double tap to wake off. Once I adjust those settings, the issue goes away for me. Thanks for pointing out this issue though, as others may have it as well.
    08-14-2015 07:33 AM
  13. chenhogi's Avatar
    Extremely disappointed with the on screen buttons. I also hold the opinion that high end devices should come with capacitive buttons.
    08-21-2015 03:52 AM
  14. KimRM's Avatar
    Can someone that have tried or use a model with on screen keys tell me if there is any border or space between these keys and the commandbar-menu when this is used in apps ? Because I see this can be a issue hitting the onscreen keys instead of expanding the commandbar when it is collapsed. Plus it would not look good. This would be a major design issue for apps actively using the commandbar-menu.
    08-21-2015 07:32 AM
  15. libra89's Avatar
    Can someone that have tried or use a model with on screen keys tell me if there is any border or space between these keys and the commandbar-menu when this is used in apps ? Because I see this can be a issue hitting the onscreen keys instead of expanding the commandbar when it is collapsed. Plus it would not look good. This would be a major design issue for apps actively using the commandbar-menu.
    It depends on the app. For some apps, the on screen keys cover that menu but for others, it either doesn't make a difference or the menu bar is right above the on screen buttons.
    For reference, I have a 640.
    08-21-2015 01:00 PM
  16. zkyevolved's Avatar
    I prefer capacitive buttons. But I promise you'll eventually get used to the on screen buttons. I disliked them because you accidentally press home or back while you're still getting used to the new device. But I've had the LG g4 now for a while and I don't mind the on screen buttons anymore. But boy. The first week was a nightmare. Haha. But, as I mentioned, you get used to it. ☺


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    08-21-2015 05:09 PM
  17. LaughingBubba's Avatar
    As an n920 owner, an OSB would be a deal breaker for me. How can you float the 950/XL as the premium / flagship phone and then make it look cheap and nasty with OSB?

    Yes I have handled phones with OSB ... didn't like it. Someone previously posted that it takes about a week to get used to and that it was a nightmare. The way I see it is: why should I struggle with a week's nightmare / learning curve when there's other equally capable (premium) phones out there WITH hardware buttons?
    09-25-2015 11:09 PM
  18. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    As long as I can hide the capacaptive buttons and actually use full screen I don't see virtual navtigation buttons as a step back compared to permanent capacative navigation buttons.
    09-26-2015 03:23 AM
  19. Gabriel Olaru's Avatar
    I have a Lumia 630 and a Xperia Z1 , both have on screen keyboard , i never heard anyone complaining about osb on xperia z1 , and it looks premium :) even after 2 years :)
    09-26-2015 09:31 AM
  20. bluefirestarter's Avatar
    I recently had to switch from a 920 to a 640 and I LOVE the OSB's! There have been so many times where I sat my phone down and accidently touched the Cortana button didn't realize it and it wrecked my battery. Even sitting it in the cup holder in my car I've hit the stupid search button on it and it popped up on my head unit with Cortana wanting something. It was so infuriating so many times. This has happened 0 times in the 2 months I've had my 640..
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    09-27-2015 12:34 AM
  21. LaughingBubba's Avatar
    Hmmm OK that's interesting cuz I get the cortanta thing happening as well and it is annoying. I like Weven's idea about OSB on demand. I guess we'll have to see the real thing instead of renders.

    AT Gabriel: Maybe but the positioning of the OSB's in the renders does look awkward. If the XL rumours about supporting a surface 3 stylus would be a plus in its' favour.
    10-01-2015 05:16 AM
  22. oldpueblo's Avatar
    I'm willing to bet that most of you that are against OSB (not all but most) maybe haven't actually used it day to day. A lot of these fears seem to not jive with the real world experience and the customization options they bring. I was one of you, but after using them daily I happily see the benefits. As for making the new phones look cheap, that doesn't even compute. Is it just because they first debuted on a lower end phone? How could a beneficial feature make it look cheap, that doesn't even make sense. Does the onscreen keyboard of the surface make it look cheap, and it looks more high end when you attach the physical keyboard? Nonsensical.
    libra89 likes this.
    10-01-2015 12:52 PM
  23. hprvez's Avatar
    It is exactly like that. The on screen keyboard on the surface makes it look incredibly cheap and androidish, you have the point right in front of you but you don't get it
    10-05-2015 06:23 PM
  24. oldpueblo's Avatar
    It is exactly like that. The on screen keyboard on the surface makes it look incredibly cheap and androidish, you have the point right in front of you but you don't get it
    How exactly do you plan on using a surface tablet without an onscreen keyboard when the keyboard isn't attached? How do you type on ANY tablet without an attached external keyboard? I think you're the one not getting it bro. Onscreen keyboards/buttons are completely normal and have been for years.
    10-05-2015 09:50 PM
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