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  1. Sick Freak's Avatar
    And to add another bit of news that affects some of us:

    Verizon's grandfathered unlimited data users face $20 price hike - CNET
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    10-08-2015 05:53 PM
  2. tgp's Avatar
    And to add another bit of news that affects some of us:

    Verizon's grandfathered unlimited data users face $20 price hike - CNET
    You should be renewing your contract, like immediately.

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    10-08-2015 05:55 PM
  3. Sick Freak's Avatar
    You should be renewing your contract, like immediately.

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    I don't think any of us that have the grandfathered unlimited data have contracts to renew - we're on month-to-month.
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    10-08-2015 06:12 PM
  4. tgp's Avatar
    I don't think any of us that have the grandfathered unlimited data have contracts to renew - we're on month-to-month.
    I have unlimited data, and I renewed my contract in November 2014. I'm good for another 13 months. Verizon customers are still upgrading and keeping their unlimited data today. There's a loophole. Search something like "Verizon unlimited data Best Buy upgrade."

    Besides extending your contract (which is a benefit in this case), you get a subsidized phone. You might as well; with the old plan you're paying the same price whether or not you're under contract. Of course the plan costs more than pretty much anything else in existence, but due to Verizon's agreement with the FCC a Verizon unlimited data plan is by far the best of any of them.
    10-08-2015 06:18 PM
  5. Digitalmonk73's Avatar
    Reading through much of this thread and people comparing and debating etc.

    The Snapdragon 810 supports basically everything Verizon needs:

    Integrated X10 LTE, with Global Mode supporting LTE FDD, LTE TDD, WCDMA (DB-DC-HSDPA, DC-HSUPA), CDMA1x, EV-DO, TD-SCDMA and GSM/EDGE

    Cat 9 speeds of up to 450 Mbps with support for up to 3x20 MHz carrier aggregation on LTE FDD and LTE TDD

    Support for LTE Broadcast, LTE multimode dual SIM (DSDS and DSDA) and VoLTE with HD Voice and SRVCC

    QUALCOMM[dot]com/products/snapdragon/processors/810

    Does Qualcomm hand out custom chips to companies?

    So the question is if it is unlocked, how much of it is unlocked?

    Are the specs listed complete?

    FWIW - I'll leave VZW for AT&T if nothing changes between now and the end of the year. I know not everyone has that choice.

    Dumb pipes need to remain dumb pipes.
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    10-08-2015 06:29 PM
  6. DustinRyan's Avatar
    I have unlimited data, and I renewed my contract in November 2014. I'm good for another 13 months. Verizon customers are still upgrading and keeping their unlimited data today. There's a loophole. Search something like "Verizon unlimited data Best Buy upgrade."

    Besides extending your contract (which is a benefit in this case), you get a subsidized phone. You might as well; with the old plan you're paying the same price whether or not you're under contract. Of course the plan costs more than pretty much anything else in existence, but due to Verizon's agreement with the FCC a Verizon unlimited data plan is by far the best of any of them.
    There WAS a loophole. Doesn't exist anymore, at least not that I know of. There was a way you could add a new line to the account with the phone you wanted, device change it over to your actual phone line, and then slap an old basic phone on the new line to remove the data plan you added to that new line to allow a smartphone. But Verizon plugged it, by not allowing you to take data off a new line, even if you were switching that line to a basic phone. So now you are stuck with a new line with data you don't need. So, an extra $40 per month on your bill for 2 years.

    It was a good loophole. There are a couple others for different purposes that still work, but Verizon recently came up with a way to track these patterns, so now the reps that do these acts of fraud (which is really what this is), get in trouble (aka fired).

    Only way to get a phone and keep unlimited data is to pay full retail. Or, use WiFi. You'd be amazed how much money it could save you. OR, move to the Verizon Max data plan. It's 6GB instead of unlimited, but it's the same cost as 2GB normally on the older plan. So a good consolation prize for anyone who doesn't want to go to the newer, simpler plans.
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    10-08-2015 08:29 PM
  7. sprtfan's Avatar
    Any chance that Microsoft disable the bands needed for Verizon as a concession to other phone manufactures so they would produce some higher end W10 phones? I think I've seen it mentioned a few times that Microsoft would prefer not to be the major hardware provider and wanted other manufactures to step up. I could see a few of the manufactures not wanting to make a phone that has a small market share and would have to compete directly with the new 950 and 950xl? Probably just wishful thinking I guess because I'm stuck on Verizon and would like to get a new phone. If not one from MS, it would be nice if I had some options.
    10-08-2015 08:49 PM
  8. DustinRyan's Avatar
    I'm curious about something but I can never get a straight answer from someone who actually sells phones: do you sell Windows Phones? I don't mean if your store carries them. I mean: do people buy them? What is the ratio of sales compared to iPhones and Androids? What is the return rate? And what is the reason for returns? Are sales lower because the phones are not displayed and pushed? Or are the phones not displayed or pushed because they do not sell?

    I'm curious to hear about WP sales in the real world from your perspective.
    I'd be glad to answer. Windows Phones are displayed in corporate stores. In 3rd party retail, usually not. I'll describe both:

    Corporate:
    -Windows Phones are usually displayed. I'd say 1 on average. Never a range. Sometimes I see 2 on display on rare occasions.
    -Do reps pitch it? Doubtful. Most reps have iPhone or Android. They pitch what they know. Although Windows Phone commission is on par with Android, reps just pitch what they can guarantee will get them a sale.
    -Do people buy them? Yup. Less and less every day, though, because the availability of options (especially anything not low end) are dwindling. Hard to pitch an upgrade from something like a Galaxy S4 to a Lumia 735 when it's not much of an upgrade.

    Premium Retail (3rd party, Wireless Zone, Diamond Wireless (my company), Target, Best Buy, etc.)
    -How many people buy Windows Phone? Very, very few. For many reasons. Not educated on it, reps don't pitch it, Verizon doesn't have many standout Windows Phones, stock is low, etc. Maybe 1 out of every 200 people mention they are interested in a Windows Phone.
    -My store, like most premium retail locations, don't stock Windows Phones anymore. We stocked the Lumia 822, 928, and Icon, but once the Icon was discontinued, we stopped stocking Windows Phones, entirely. They are special order, only. Probably the same with many 3rd party stores. It takes up inventory, and 3rd party usually just carries the popular phones because they need to stretch budgets a little further than corporate Verizon. Plus, the niche phones that very few people want, are not worth stocking if it means wasting inventory space for 1 sale per 6 months for Windows Phone.
    -People ask about it, and often when they see my Icon, they want my phone, but get let down when I say they can't get it from Verizon anymore. And usually opt for Android as a consolation. They just want a phone today. They don't want to wait, and don't care for carrier games. So they just go with whatever is available. Most Windows Phone users on Verizon only have it because it was cheap or free, previously. And don't know much about phones, so they just go with whatever is recommended to them.
    -I sell Windows Phones. Or, I did, until we stopped stocking them, and it became a harder sell to someone who doesn't know what the phone is or how it behaves and special ordering a phone they don't understand yet.
    -The return rate is not that high. Although, most people who bought Windows Phones from my store are not tech savvy, so they just deal with the original configuration of the live tiles, have not updated the OS since they got it, and just tolerate whatever.

    Hope that lends some insight!

    In a nutshell, Windows Phones are not promoted, usually not stocked much (if at all), and selection is not great for those wanting high end phones. Only good for low end/mid range by today's standards (LG Lancet, Lumia 735, HTC One M8, Ativ SE). 90% of customers have no idea what a Windows Phone is, sadly. Verizon has VZLearn (training) guides on all Windows Phone stuff, but mostly old Windows Phone 7 OS stuff, and the Lumia 822/928. That's about it. None of these are mandatory to complete, though. At least they weren't for my stores.
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    10-08-2015 08:50 PM
  9. DustinRyan's Avatar
    I'd ask the question a bit different. How many people who come into your Store don't already have a specific Brand of phone already selected? I assume while many people don't even know about the Operating Systems the phones use, I would expect they would be coming in and asking to buy a Samsung Edge, of Samsung Galaxy S6, etc. Or of course I want to buy an iPhone 6S, etc.
    About 90% of people coming in who KNOW what phone they want, want an iPhone. And about 95% of all iPhone users don't know WHY they want one. They just know they do.
    But if it makes them happy, I never steer anyone away from a phone they want.

    Sometimes, there will be someone coming in who had a Galaxy S3 or S4 and wants an S6, but a lot of those people are open minded to try other Android phones.
    We sell quite a lot of Droid Turbo phones because their specs are similar to Galaxy S6, but phenomenal battery life and price. Camera is not as good, but it's a really well-rounded phone. Android owners are more open to trying new things, like other Android phones, or iPhone.
    iPhone users rarely want Android. Many do, but end up returning and getting iPhone again. But most iPhone users that switch away from iPhone say it is because they don't want to live in Apple's world only using Apple things. They like the freedom of Android, and most still don't know Windows exists as an option. But with most phones either mid to low end, and flagships/high end phones getting old, it's hard to recommend a Windows Phone option at the moment.

    About 60% of customers in my stores come in open to suggestion. Most still choose what they came in thinking they would get, but they like having a professional opinion.

    EDIT: I should note, those who are looking for recommendations are usually older people or low-to-no-tech people. All children want the iPhone because you're not a cool kid in school unless you have an iPhone. That's kid law.
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    10-08-2015 08:57 PM
  10. tgp's Avatar
    There WAS a loophole. Doesn't exist anymore, at least not that I know of.
    People are still doing it using bestbuy.com. At least they were as of a few days ago. You just upgrade your line, ship to home, and when you get the phone you remove the included SIM card before turning the phone on and use your already active SIM card. It really is that simple!

    You're looking at it from a rep's perspective. It's probably different than what we see on bestbuy.com!

    I'd be glad to answer.

    <reply snipped to save space>
    Thank you! That was a very well written and educational answer. It is exactly the kind of response I was looking for!

    Now I have a question that probably does not have a black and white answer, but is more an opinion: do you think that Windows Phones don't sell because they are not promoted, or are they not promoted because they don't sell? Or some of both? It's probably a chicken-and-egg situation. Would Windows Phones be worth their retail space if they were pushed alongside iPhones and Androids?
    10-08-2015 09:05 PM
  11. DustinRyan's Avatar
    Chicken-and-egg is exactly how I'd describe it. Verizon reps definitely don't promote or even consider Windows Phone an option. It gets laughed at. A lot. Because they don't understand it or use it. Everyone likes that reassurance that the phone they own, is the best phone to have. And no one owns Windows Phones. So therefore, it sucks (by their standards).

    Verizon tries to promote occasionally. Maybe. Kinda. But it's because they don't think it will sell well, that they don't waste money on it.

    If Verizon doesn't promote or put a lot of effort into educating customers, it won't sell.

    On the other hand, if no one is interested, how could Verizon keep throwing money at Windows Phone with very little chance of making a return on their investment?


    I used to hate Verizon for not giving Windows Phone a fighting chance. I started working for them over a year ago, and my tune has changed, slightly.

    Of course I wish they supported Windows Phone more, and better. But from a business perspective, I get where they are coming from. I wouldn't throw money away knowing it won't come back.

    The solution, I feel, is to call Verizon. Call and demand the phones you want. If they hear it enough, they will stock and support it. But after demanding it, we then need to buy it. And not from Microsoft. We need to buy it from Verizon to show that this phone is popular.

    I hate buying from carriers, even though I sell for one, because it's not a business Verizon should be in. This is why we have this frustration with device support. If all phones were able to work across networks and carriers didn't have to worry about their own skin in the game to sell them, they wouldn't care what phone was on their network because it's not their business. But they made it their business because carriers want to be a one-stop-shop for all things on their networks, including devices.

    iPhone is pushed because as much as we know iPhone is available on all carriers, some people still think that iPhones can only be bought from Apple, or that only AT&T still supports them. I can't tell you how many times people walk to our store and say, "You guys don't sell the iPhone, right? Only Samsung?" Worded exactly like that. It kills me. But we can't blame the customer. 90% of customers are low-to-no-tech savvy. They are just speaking based on how well we are educating them (not too well).

    Android gets pushed because Verizon (and all carriers) would be SCREWED if they put all their eggs in the iPhone basket. Apple practically owns Verizon as it is. Apple has demands. Carriers give in to it, because they know Apple has the upper hand and can move their phone to any carrier it wants, and whichever carrier they take the phone away from, will likely go bankrupt in a few years. Carriers kneel to Apple. So they try to beef up Android, so they have something to fall back on if Apple flexes their muscle. Android has the best chance at competing with iPhone. Plus, there are many good Android Phones. As much as I prefer Windows Phone, really, it's a great time to buy any phone. They all do great things in many ways.

    I don't have a solution for getting Windows Phones sold. My answer would be that Microsoft and Verizon would need to beef up marketing heavily, but even then, there is no guarantee it will do anything.
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    10-08-2015 09:22 PM
  12. JetFixxxer's Avatar
    Like always I will be forced to go another phone because Verizon doesn't/won't carry it. I was happy when I was able to get a Windows Phone. Now it looks like my Icon will be my last phone for a long time.
    10-08-2015 09:25 PM
  13. Sick Freak's Avatar
    Great response, but from a customer perspective - at least mine, I find that the carriers treat Windows Phone quite differently. As the techie for my family and friends/acquaintances, I go into all the different carrier stores way too often. I find that VZW (many stores across the country) is pretty much hostile to Windows devices. After I explain the differences between the devices and IF the person wants to get the Windows device, almost every time, the VZW person tries to talk them out of it and push Android. (I'm currently a VZW customer and while I get several e-mails announcing new Android or iPhone devices, I've never gotten one for any Windows device.) Now, when we're in AT&T or T-Mobile, it's entirely different. T-Mobile seems to be more agnostic - they don't care which phone, as long as you buy their service. AT&T seems to be more positive about the Windows devices, and while they don't "push" them, they do a good job presenting them. (I don't think I've been in a Sprint store for years, so I don't have anything to say about them with regard to Windows devices.)
    10-08-2015 09:40 PM
  14. MikeSo's Avatar
    In the Windows Central news article about carrier availability, a point was brought up by someone that made a loit of sense: maybe the "AT&T only" strategy is simply because Microsoft is unsure of how the sales will go and due to their status as a very small player in mobile hardware they simply don't have the resources to launch simultaneously on all carriers.

    Going AT&T and MS Store only at launch might simply be a way to gauge the market, and then if they can secure manufacturing for larger quantities and if there's demand, they might expand. They are not Apple or Samsung, and they don't have the same scale and clout. That's just the reality. Maybe they should try to get into retail with unlocked phones and not worry about carriers.
    10-08-2015 09:45 PM
  15. Sick Freak's Avatar
    I don't have a solution for getting Windows Phones sold. My answer would be that Microsoft and Verizon would need to beef up marketing heavily, but even then, there is no guarantee it will do anything.
    Definitely agree on that - I don't recall seeing any Windows Phone commercials for any carrier (or just for the phone itself.) The only advertising I see by Microsoft is seeing the phones on different CBS TV shows (along with MSFT Surfaces.) And, of course, we see the Surfaces used in the NFL.
    10-08-2015 09:50 PM
  16. Sick Freak's Avatar
    In the Windows Central news article about carrier availability, a point was brought up by someone that made a loit of sense: maybe the "AT&T only" strategy is simply because Microsoft is unsure of how the sales will go and due to their status as a very small player in mobile hardware they simply don't have the resources to launch simultaneously on all carriers.

    Going AT&T and MS Store only at launch might simply be a way to gauge the market, and then if they can secure manufacturing for larger quantities and if there's demand, they might expand. They are not Apple or Samsung, and they don't have the same scale and clout. That's just the reality. Maybe they should try to get into retail with unlocked phones and not worry about carriers.
    I know for me, I'm swapping off VZW just because of the phone. (Coverage in my area is about the same between these 3 carriers.) I've been waiting way too long. I just have to figure out which is better for my family - AT&T or T-Mobile. And after I move, I know that I have several other people that I know that will follow me if they can.
    Last edited by Sick Freak; 10-08-2015 at 10:05 PM.
    10-08-2015 09:54 PM
  17. DustinRyan's Avatar
    Great response, but from a customer perspective - at least mine, I find that the carriers treat Windows Phone quite differently. As the techie for my family and friends/acquaintances, I go into all the different carrier stores way too often. I find that VZW (many stores across the country) is pretty much hostile to Windows devices. After I explain the differences between the devices and IF the person wants to get the Windows device, almost every time, the VZW person tries to talk them out of it and push Android. (I'm currently a VZW customer and while I get several e-mails announcing new Android or iPhone devices, I've never gotten one for any Windows device.) Now, when we're in AT&T or T-Mobile, it's entirely different. T-Mobile seems to be more agnostic - they don't care which phone, as long as you buy their service. AT&T seems to be more positive about the Windows devices, and while they don't "push" them, they do a good job presenting them. (I don't think I've been in a Sprint store for years, so I don't have anything to say about them with regard to Windows devices.)
    Carriers do treat Windows Phone differently. The reps usually don't use Windows Phone, and don't know how to support it (transfer contacts, photos, locate settings, etc.) so they avoid it like the plague. Carriers don't advertise because they see it as a waste of time and money if sales won't increase. It's a long term strategy, and not Verizon's burden to take on. It's Microsoft's. As long as Android is doing well, Verizon won't care too much about lending a hand to Microsoft, unfortunately.

    As a Windows Phone fan, it kills me to see things go this way, but it's a business, and Windows Phone is a tough brand to get people on board when most have already "chosen sides."

    I don't know a lot of people on AT&T with Windows Phones, but I do always, ALWAYS, see them displayed in their stores. And usually more than one. T-Mobile I think I've seen something similar, but I've actually seen a couple people using their Windows Phones. Usually always the super low end ones.

    Sprint I never see anyone user Windows Phone, but I also never see anyone happy with Sprint where I live (Connecticut), with any phone, haha. Their service is quite bad here.
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    10-08-2015 10:01 PM
  18. tgp's Avatar
    It's a long term strategy, and not Verizon's burden to take on. It's Microsoft's. As long as Android is doing well, Verizon won't care too much about lending a hand to Microsoft, unfortunately.
    This is what I was wondering; why is pushing Windows Phone Verizon's, or any other carrier's, problem? I see it as Microsoft's baby.

    I've also read that it would be a big advantage to the carriers to have a 3rd option, making it important that Windows Phone flourishes. Is there any validity to this? It doesn't seem like the carriers think they need another option besides iPhone and Android. If they thought so, wouldn't they push a 3rd one such as Windows Phone or BlackBerry even if it cost them (at least in the short term)?

    I have no idea; I'm just thinking "out loud".
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    10-08-2015 11:04 PM
  19. oldpueblo's Avatar
    I still feel one of the biggest hold-ups for WP is people just aren't willing to try it. It wasn't cool to use/like MS, they see all the bad press about no apps, and they won't even try it which means they miss out on all the positives that add up to a better experience in many ways. I've personally converted around 10 people to WP, and only two have switched back to Android for non-WP related reasons after 3+ years. One of them just approached me today though saying she was thinking of switching back to WP. People that aren't caught up in the flavor of the month apps (snapchat) tend to stay for the superior phone experience from what I can tell.

    And just out of curiosity, you guys that have unlimited data how much do you actually use? I basically have unlimited because my work pays for it, but the most I use monthly is 5GB. That's with streaming whenever I want, hotspot, etc. If you look at the data sense app, how much data do you reasonably use? You might be surprised how little a cost difference there is to get a cap, and you might even save money with the incentives to get off of unlimited.
    10-08-2015 11:16 PM
  20. DustinRyan's Avatar
    This is what I was wondering; why is pushing Windows Phone Verizon's, or any other carrier's, problem? I see it as Microsoft's baby.

    I've also read that it would be a big advantage to the carriers to have a 3rd option, making it important that Windows Phone flourishes. Is there any validity to this? It doesn't seem like the carriers think they need another option besides iPhone and Android. If they thought so, wouldn't they push a 3rd one such as Windows Phone or BlackBerry even if it cost them (at least in the short term)?

    I have no idea; I'm just thinking "out loud".
    I believe there is validity to this. If one manufacturer has too much power over a carrier, they can impose whatever rules they want like Apple does with iPhone (can't display any color around it, can't display next to non-iPhones, and can't even display directly next to iPad). Verizon has gotten cozy with Samsung to combat Apple's power, but once Samsung gets too big, Verizon will need to look elsewhere for a new "friend." If Microsoft can make Windows Phone popular, the power struggle becomes harder for the other guys to get any ground against Verizon. Same goes for other carriers, too, in the US. This is not an issue for other carriers, mostly because of GSM vs CDMA (especially outside the US).

    The more balanced the ecosystem is, the fairer the game. That's my understanding. But don't quote me on it. I don't know if there is any actual evidence to support it. Just carriers and manufacturers puffing out their chests.

    I still feel one of the biggest hold-ups for WP is people just aren't willing to try it. It wasn't cool to use/like MS, they see all the bad press about no apps, and they won't even try it which means they miss out on all the positives that add up to a better experience in many ways. I've personally converted around 10 people to WP, and only two have switched back to Android for non-WP related reasons after 3+ years. One of them just approached me today though saying she was thinking of switching back to WP. People that aren't caught up in the flavor of the month apps (snapchat) tend to stay for the superior phone experience from what I can tell.

    And just out of curiosity, you guys that have unlimited data how much do you actually use? I basically have unlimited because my work pays for it, but the most I use monthly is 5GB. That's with streaming whenever I want, hotspot, etc. If you look at the data sense app, how much data do you reasonably use? You might be surprised how little a cost difference there is to get a cap, and you might even save money with the incentives to get off of unlimited.
    Most people I encounter with unlimited data, I switch them to the current plans. For many, it ends up costing the same, and they don't actually use a lot of data. I can't even begin to tell you how many accounts I pull up with unlimited data and find out they only use about 1-2 GB. People just don't like having something taken away, even if they don't use it. I understand their reasoning.

    Other people use a LOT of data because they can, thanks to unlimited. Not because they need to. But because they can. If they consciously used WiFi, instead, their actual data consumption wouldn't need unlimited data.

    9/10 people that come to my store, they agreeably switch away from unlimited data on the ancient plans, and go to the new plans. Their bill is simpler, they get new phones for less money out of pocket ($0 down + tax), and don't have to combat the system constantly to get "upgrades" and keep unlimited data.
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    10-08-2015 11:32 PM
  21. Markeyse Jamar Mundy's Avatar
    And JUST in time for the phone conversation.....

    AT&T's WiFi calling feature is now available
    10-08-2015 11:38 PM
  22. Schnuffi's Avatar
    I Am not in the US don't know why Verizon has different frequencies then everyone else in the world. But I think every one that lives in the US should walk in to their local Verizon store and ask to see the Lumia 950 when they say they don't carry it should loudly say well I guess I have to go to AT&T store. and
    storm out ;-)
    10-09-2015 12:36 AM
  23. rollindice's Avatar
    I Am not in the US don't know why Verizon has different frequencies then everyone else in the world. But I think every one that lives in the US should walk in to their local Verizon store and ask to see the Lumia 950 when they say they don't carry it should loudly say well I guess I have to go to AT&T store. and
    storm out ;-)
    Exactly if many persons do that ,you'll see how quick Verizon would bring it on stream
    10-09-2015 12:52 AM
  24. dksf42's Avatar
    Any chance that Microsoft disable the bands needed for Verizon as a concession to other phone manufactures so they would produce some higher end W10 phones? I think I've seen it mentioned a few times that Microsoft would prefer not to be the major hardware provider and wanted other manufactures to step up. I could see a few of the manufactures not wanting to make a phone that has a small market share and would have to compete directly with the new 950 and 950xl? Probably just wishful thinking I guess because I'm stuck on Verizon and would like to get a new phone. If not one from MS, it would be nice if I had some options.
    OK ... HOT off the Press ... Microsoft "confirms exclusivity WAS THEIR IDEA"!

    Microsoft confirms that Lumia 950/XL US carrier exclusivity was their idea - WMPoweruser

    FIRST of all = FIRE or re-assign that person as, "in parallel" with the UNLOCKED directly form Microsoft throws a whole different spin on "why exclusivity" has FAILED yet Microsoft "still tries this game"!

    NOW, the $64,000 question is "since the Qualcomm 810 contains ALL of the radios - several people posted, is that correct - then, IS IT POSSIBLE that an "unlocked 950XL "might work some day" on Verizon?

    So, say I buy a 950XL form Microsoft "unlocked" - and temporarily switch to AT&T - to enjoy all of the power ... did I just buy a "boat anchor" or a bet that Microsoft's UNLOCKED strategy "is a Trojan horse"!
    10-09-2015 01:10 AM
  25. MikeSo's Avatar
    OK ... HOT off the Press ... Microsoft "confirms exclusivity WAS THEIR IDEA"!

    Microsoft confirms that Lumia 950/XL US carrier exclusivity was their idea - WMPoweruser

    FIRST of all = FIRE or re-assign that person as, "in parallel" with the UNLOCKED directly form Microsoft throws a whole different spin on "why exclusivity" has FAILED yet Microsoft "still tries this game"!

    NOW, the $64,000 question is "since the Qualcomm 810 contains ALL of the radios - several people posted, is that correct - then, IS IT POSSIBLE that an "unlocked 950XL "might work some day" on Verizon?

    So, say I buy a 950XL form Microsoft "unlocked" - and temporarily switch to AT&T - to enjoy all of the power ... did I just buy a "boat anchor" or a bet that Microsoft's UNLOCKED strategy "is a Trojan horse"!
    I understand the reaction - I've had it myself. But think about it. Microsoft obviously wants to sell as many phones as possible. They might simply not have had the resources to go all out on all carriers. In mobile, they are small fry. We don't know what transpired behind the scenes, so the whole "FIRE the guy responsible" is beyond silly.
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    10-09-2015 01:17 AM
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