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  1. Sick Freak's Avatar
    Who was responsible for pulling the Coexist sticker off the bumper?
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    10-10-2015 11:14 PM
  2. DustinRyan's Avatar
    No chicken and egg argument at all. Verizon has to be the first to promote their phones, regardless of customer support. It is their responsibility. Example, when a new pediatrician opens a practice, don't you think it is his/her responsibility to promote the practice, or do you think clients should automatically just know the practice is there and begin going there? Same principal. Don't blame the customer when the company fails to promote their own product.
    They don't need to promote a phone if they choose not to spend the money to carry it. They want to guarantee a return on their investment (like most people/businesses). They don't need to take any risk on Windows Phone (for now). They have plenty of phones that are a better bet. So they pass on Windows Phone. They won't carry it without good reason that it will benefit them.

    This isn't just the vibe I get, but the answer I get from friends at corporate when we attend meetings.
    920Walker likes this.
    10-10-2015 11:26 PM
  3. dksf42's Avatar
    I "started this thread a mere 5 DAYS ago" and WOW have I learned a LOT = thank you all for joining the party and shedding a TON of light on this whole debacle!

    I have "concluded" that the 950XL HAS THE HARDWARE and Microsoft HAS DISABLED band 13 and CDMA + Verizon IS EVIL and "think they are a GOD", so ... I want what I want and "the heck with Verizon" as I am "tired of WAITING"! YES, I love the Verizon Network ... but, I am simply fed up with Verizon telling me what I can and can NOT buy!

    Well "fellow Verizon PO'd users" like me - AFTER watching Paul Thurrott, who I have a TON of respect for as a "tell it like it is tech journalist" - start at about 41:50 and LISTEN to what Paul says ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2661&v=XDrjNzzzK-0

    So, I drove to our local "Santa Clara store" and played with the 950XL on display for about 20 minutes and BAM = I no longer gave a flying $%$^$* about "Verizon" = I WAITED for the ICON ... then WAITED for DENIM and "NO MORE frigging Verizon WAITING" as Windows Mobile 10 will get a lot of updates!

    I could EASILY SEE my daily "productivity SKYROCKET" with this "amazing 5.7 inch screen"!!!

    I have had Windows Phones for many years - including the Lumia 928, and last 12 month the Lumia ICON - and, I just love the device! I also have an iPhone 6 Plus and "it was like Paul says in the video"!

    So ... WOULD the 950XL be leaps and bounds "better" = enough to "switch carriers"???

    YES ... so, unlike a Verizon store ... a nice, friendly young man came over to me and said "any questions"?

    I said ... YES, can I pre-order and what are the "conditions and when will it arrive"?

    He said ... of course!

    SO, DID ...

    1) Expected delivery on October 26, 2015 - he said, I could change my mind up to the day it arrives!
    2) NO money down, NO credit card = only, my email address and phone number!
    3) 30 day MBG - NO restocking charge
    4) CARRIER "UNLOCKED" = MY favorite
    5) Latest Windows 10 Mobile

    I ***will find out how to reach the office of the CEO and Board of Directors*** and tell them WHY I am leaving - I will look joining for or start a separate thread !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Soon, I will be part of the EX-Verizon "customers" BECAUSE Verizon would NOT support the 950XL!!!

    After "playing with the 950XL for a mere 20 MINUTES", I already knew how awesome this 950XL TRULY IS!

    I would NOT be surprised IF Samsung is "paying big $$$ to keep the 950XL OFF of VERIZON - maybe even Apple"???????
    10-10-2015 11:41 PM
  4. drtek's Avatar
    I got a chance to play with the XL Saturday, as well as the Tablet and 4. I spent over 30 minutes checking out the phone. Super light, and the Iris scanner was amazing. The MS store has the dual sim version, and is taking preorders with $0 down. I must say that I am impressed. Cannot wait to get my hands on one of these. Although I wasn't able to check out Continuum, as they had none of the docks to demo.
    10-10-2015 11:44 PM
  5. Markeyse Jamar Mundy's Avatar
    I could personally care less which one of these two companies is at fault. What Verizon has done in the past has forced this rift to exist. Since I live in the Tampa area, I have a choice in carriers without too much of a difference (though at work Verizon gets a better signal than AT&T, but, who knows, maybe these dual adaptive antennas can change that). As such, considering all the bull involved with Verizon and updates being blocked for their idiotic apps, I plan to exercise that choice should an unlocked Verizon capable 950XL not be available. I will either go to an AT&T store and use Next (should they change their minds and carry the device) or I will simply pick one up at the MS store and be done with it. I'm tired of the whole CDMA lock-in bs. I want FREEDOM to choose my fricken phone! The carriers should stop being the device conduits and start being just the network access providers.

    One thing I have noticed about this whole affair, though, is that MS is actually getting tons and tons of press time over this and their new phones. Their phones have never seen this much press, save maybe the 920, which was Nokia's of course. But even that phone probably didn't see quite this much hype. I also think a lot of people forget how much angst there was over Verizon not getting the 920 as well. All of the hype generated over these phones is actually a boon, and the tight availability will increase demand to a certain degree. This might actually turn out to be a great thing in the end, but we'll see.

    PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is what I'm saying! Just provide me with network access! Let the companies do the rest!
    libra89 and falconrap like this.
    10-11-2015 12:48 AM
  6. Schnuffi's Avatar
    Wow even I hate Verizon and I don't even live in the US. I am glad I live in Europe buy any phone unlocked. Bring it any carrier and it will work.
    I hope this is eventually fixed between Verizon and MS and they play nice we can hope, seems even MS and Google are starting to play nice who
    would have thought.
    920Walker likes this.
    10-11-2015 12:53 AM
  7. Beast of Haeven's Avatar

    Well "fellow Verizon PO'd users" like me - AFTER watching Paul Thurrott, who I have a TON of respect for as a "tell it like it is tech journalist" - start at about 41:50 and LISTEN to what Paul says ...

    That breaks my heart but I'm glad I can afford to wait and see what unfolds. I don't blame Microsoft for sticking with the support of ATT. They haven't been perfect but anyone from the outside can see they've been the most supportive.
    10-11-2015 01:28 AM
  8. goodsit2's Avatar
    Here's what I don't understand. I'm fine with them saying screw Verizon. You don't have to sell thru them, but keep the firmware unlocked so that fans can still purchase at their own risk direct from MS. Customers just rely on MS to provide the updates direct :)
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    10-11-2015 01:54 AM
  9. Bobvfr's Avatar
    I am also not in the USA, and if I could think of something to do with my 1520 I would also pre order a 950XL just to **** off US carriers
    920Walker likes this.
    10-11-2015 03:36 AM
  10. Schnuffi's Avatar
    Here's what I don't understand. I'm fine with them saying screw Verizon. You don't have to sell thru them, but keep the firmware unlocked so that fans can still purchase at their own risk direct from MS. Customers just rely on MS to provide the updates direct :)
    Me to at least that way the people who want and have no other choice that have to Verizon can still use it.
    10-11-2015 03:39 AM
  11. Donald Simard's Avatar
    it has been said many times in this thread - it is not free for MS to support the VZ CDMA network and they would not serve their customers by licensing bands the bulk do not need
    10-11-2015 07:02 AM
  12. Schnuffi's Avatar
    it has been said many times in this thread - it is not free for MS to support the VZ CDMA network and they would not serve their customers by licensing bands the bulk do not need
    Then who should support them at all if it cost more.
    920Walker likes this.
    10-11-2015 08:00 AM
  13. djarchow's Avatar
    I haven't seen it mentioned here but none of the carriers in Canada will be carrying the phones either
    10-11-2015 09:51 AM
  14. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Here's what I don't understand. I'm fine with them saying screw Verizon. You don't have to sell thru them, but keep the firmware unlocked so that fans can still purchase at their own risk direct from MS. Customers just rely on MS to provide the updates direct :)
    Sometimes its not that simple. The company with the largest customer base can successfully divert blame for a problem to the other party, truth be dammed. If the phones for any reason (including Verizon caused) don't work it can cause or allow misguided customers to blame the other party. Since there are more of them (Verizon customers vs Lumia 950 customers) they win the word of mouth war. A perfect example is Apple and virtually every car maker. There are more iPhones than almost every model car owned by iPhone users. Windows phones have been able to read texts and let you dictate responses to texts all over the car's speakers and microphone in any car with bluetooth. iPhones can't despite it being trivial to do. But iPhone users are universally convinced its the fault of the car makers. Check car forums and you'll find people swearing they won't buy this or that brand car again because the car maker is preventing them from getting their texts in the car. Now MS is already in the wrong side of that situation with the 950s and Verizon but it would be even worse if MS even hinted that it could work.
    aximtreo and oldpueblo like this.
    10-11-2015 10:05 AM
  15. ajj3085's Avatar
    Also, you have problems with coverage? Can't understand that. Most developed country, have highest internet speeds and you have coverage problems? Lol
    Sorry, that sounds funny, I only have problems in deepest of the woods.
    Maybe try to remember that Texas alone is about the size of France, and there are a lot of places between the coasts that are basically "the deepest of woods" . Europe fits within the USA with plenty of room to spare.
    920Walker likes this.
    10-11-2015 11:50 AM
  16. ajj3085's Avatar
    I'm starting to hate Verizon Wireless.
    I've been hating them since they were Bell Atlantic Mobile.
    10-11-2015 12:10 PM
  17. 920Walker's Avatar
    Maybe try to remember that Texas alone is about the size of France, and there are a lot of places between the coasts that are basically "the deepest of woods" . Europe fits within the USA with plenty of room to spare.
    I'm in the Boston area and spend lots of time in the woods. There are places within 1 hr of the city with one or no carrier signals. AT&T had a bunk signal in the TD Garden where Bruins and Celtics play up until a couple of years ago. Did Verizon pay to have the only signal inside?
    10-11-2015 02:25 PM
  18. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Verizon might actually get this phone.....

    https://community.verizonwireless.com/thread/892514

    LOL, here we go again, the rumor mill grows with out ANY FACT to it, figured I would just add it to the list...

    yes, it was told from a Verizon Rep online chat....So it must be true :- /
    10-11-2015 02:44 PM
  19. dksf42's Avatar
    As we continue our conversation, this thread has grown so large that I thought it would be good to reflect on the "amazing feature set" in the Lumia 950XL ... and WHY exactly we are now into over 35,000 views in Day 6! It is NOT about the "carrier ANY MORE" It's about "our freedom to demand and expect our carriers to offer us a choice of what we want"! I am "still hoping" that either Apple or Google "leads" with an "independent" route like an MVNO - or - something more exotic like "white space spectrum", Facebook's solar powered aircraft, Google's project Loon balloons, etc.

    Microsoft HAS TAKEN the first step with "Microsoft store 950XL UNLOCKED, dual sim models" and apparent "Microsoft control" over the Windows 10 Mobile update process!

    Buy Microsoft Lumia 950 XL ? Unlocked - Microsoft Store

    Microsoft Lumia 950 XL Dual SIM Specifications - Microsoft - Global)
    Adam Frix and editguy like this.
    10-11-2015 02:50 PM
  20. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I guess it will work after all....LOL, from a chat on the Microsoft store...

    950xl.jpg

    I guess Verizon is not the only bad one here....LOL

    Let me open my wallet to buy this phone based on this information.... YEA !!! LOL...

    Based on the information I saw today, a post on a thread and a chat with the Microsoft store...The phone will work on Verizon wireless...or soon.... (DONT YOU BELIEVE IT !!!)
    10-11-2015 03:02 PM
  21. goodsit2's Avatar
    http://www.phonearena.com/news/Micro...models_id74580

    This article makes sense, but is sad.

    It's too bad individuals cant buy the firmware unlock. Would make life easier.
    10-11-2015 03:56 PM
  22. Petru Moldovan's Avatar
    Why don't you Verizon prisoners emigrate to Europe to get free to choose any GSM provider you want and pay for almost anything else much more? There is freedom on this planet, for example instead of paying $649 for a 950XL you have the freedom to pay 699.99 Euros for the same thing :)
    Schnuffi likes this.
    10-11-2015 04:45 PM
  23. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Microsoft admits that other U.S. carriers besides AT&T wanted the new Lumia models

    This article makes sense, but is sad.

    It's too bad individuals cant buy the firmware unlock. Would make life easier.
    Here's my issue with that article. It conveniently leaves out carrier responsibility. Like how Verizon took forever to update the Icon, when they finally did they removed double-tap-to-wake, and THEN they just flat out discontinued it. The Lumia 640/640XL, both phones a great value for the price. Where are they from T-Mobile? They aren't even listed on their website, and yet they did officially come out with at least the 640. You can even get the covers still on their website. Anyone remember the Lumia 521, the customized 520 for no reason that was also discontinued? T-Mobile was probably the quickest to orphan support for their Windows Phones over the last few years. Neither carrier really cares about Windows Phone. Sure AT&T hasn't been perfect, but they are definitely in the lead when it comes to supporting Windows Phone. So yeah it makes sense for MS to keep a narrow focus while still giving us a decent amount of choice (unlocked).
    editguy and libra89 like this.
    10-11-2015 04:47 PM
  24. aximtreo's Avatar
    OK, hot off the press. This is the conversation I just had with Microsoft Online Representative. Take it for what it's worth but at least the bottom feeder believes the 950 XL will work on Verizon if you buy unlocked, move your Verizon SIM card to the 950 XL. You will note I specifically asked for a Yes or No answer. With this a $5 you can buy a cup of Starbucks coffee.

    info: at 14:33:02
    Thank you for choosing Microsoft Store. An Answer Tech (Microsoft sales specialist) will be with you shortly.
    info: at 14:33:03
    Privacy Statement
    You are now chatting with 'Altair'.

    Altair: at 14:33:10
    Hi! Thank you for visiting the Microsoft Store Website. My name is Altair, how may I help you today?
    You: at 14:35:33
    You can answer truthfully a question regarding the new 950 XL. I am presently using the ICON on Verizon. The SIM card for the ICON and the 950 XL are the same size. Once the 950 XL is offered for online ordering, can I take the SIM card from my ICON and put it into the 950 XL and have it work on the Verizon Network?
    Altair: at 14:37:34
    If the 950 XL is an unlocked phone that is possible but if it was locked to other network, it won't accept the SIM
    You: at 14:38:57
    If I buy the 950 XL from Microsoft direct unlocked, you are saying that it will work on the Verizon Network. I plan to purchase the unlocked version from Microsoft.
    Altair: at 14:39:11
    It is possible
    You: at 14:40:24
    Possible is too vague. Will it or won't it work with an established Verizon account and putting my present SIM card in the new unlocked 950 XL. Simple yes or no.
    Altair: at 14:41:35
    Yes
    You: at 14:41:51
    Thank you.
    Altair: at 14:42:06
    You're very much welcome
    Altair: at 14:42:09
    Aside from this, is there anything else I may assist you with?
    You: at 14:42:56
    No, this is the answer I was looking for and hoped for. Good bye.
    Altair: at 14:43:04
    If you still have any inquiries, please don't hesitate to chat us back again or you can call us at 1-800-642-7676.
    Altair: at 14:43:04
    Thanks again for chatting with us at Microsoft Store. We appreciate your business!
    Altair: at 14:43:05
    this is Altair and thank you so much for choosing Microsoft Store Online.
    Altair: at 14:43:05
    Have a great day!!
    10-11-2015 04:52 PM
  25. aximtreo's Avatar
    Here is the total communication I just had online with a Representative from the Microsoft Store. Take it with a grain of salt but I was able to get a one word answer.

    info: at 14:33:02
    Thank you for choosing Microsoft Store. An Answer Tech (Microsoft sales specialist) will be with you shortly.
    info: at 14:33:03
    Privacy Statement
    You are now chatting with 'Altair'.

    Altair: at 14:33:10
    Hi! Thank you for visiting the Microsoft Store Website. My name is Altair, how may I help you today?
    You: at 14:35:33
    You can answer truthfully a question regarding the new 950 XL. I am presently using the ICON on Verizon. The SIM card for the ICON and the 950 XL are the same size. Once the 950 XL is offered for online ordering, can I take the SIM card from my ICON and put it into the 950 XL and have it work on the Verizon Network?
    Altair: at 14:37:34
    If the 950 XL is an unlocked phone that is possible but if it was locked to other network, it won't accept the SIM
    You: at 14:38:57
    If I buy the 950 XL from Microsoft direct unlocked, you are saying that it will work on the Verizon Network. I plan to purchase the unlocked version from Microsoft.
    Altair: at 14:39:11
    It is possible
    You: at 14:40:24
    Possible is too vague. Will it or won't it work with an established Verizon account and putting my present SIM card in the new unlocked 950 XL. Simple yes or no.
    Altair: at 14:41:35
    Yes
    You: at 14:41:51
    Thank you.
    Altair: at 14:42:06
    You're very much welcome
    Altair: at 14:42:09
    Aside from this, is there anything else I may assist you with?
    You: at 14:42:56
    No, this is the answer I was looking for and hoped for. Good bye.
    Altair: at 14:43:04
    If you still have any inquiries, please don't hesitate to chat us back again or you can call us at 1-800-642-7676.
    Altair: at 14:43:04
    Thanks again for chatting with us at Microsoft Store. We appreciate your business!
    Altair: at 14:43:05
    this is Altair and thank you so much for choosing Microsoft Store Online.
    Altair: at 14:43:05
    Have a great day!!
    10-11-2015 04:55 PM
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