12-02-2015 11:33 PM
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  1. GreenScrew's Avatar
    Tremendously disappointing to me. No ATT coverage for me at home, while I can see the lights of the Verizon tower flashing at night. What to do, what to do... I'm going to try to resist iPhone but its going to be difficult. I guess I'll look in to whether ATT has an available broadband connected network extender. Really disappointing day in the end here.
    10-06-2015 06:58 PM
  2. spoonxii's Avatar
    Yeah this is more than disappointing... At the end of the day it has to function well as a phone and ATT is far from acceptable, very far. Terrible strength and reliability. Everyone I know who was suckered over to ATT with their years of exclusivity on ios couldn't even hold a conversation on their phone.
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    10-06-2015 07:11 PM
  3. DavidinCT's Avatar
    If it's a AT&T exclusive then the 950XL is a completely failure before it's even released... And if it's just a global phone, good for every where else besides the US...

    Not sure I am going to go down this cat and mouse game with this phone, We did this waiting for Verizon to get the FIRST Windows Phone device (and we got the bottom of the barrel HTC Trophy), we complained when WP 8 came out, again waiting for Verizon to release something, then when we had a ICON, there was something like 200 pages of complaints and rumors about Denim/Cyan...It's not just getting old, IT'S BEYOND OLD....

    I guess I am so tired of Verizon as a company, as another cool phone comes out that is really innovative in today's tech (something Apple used to be)...THAT IS NOT A SAMSUNG or APPLE product and of course we will be waiting for ever if it even comes.

    Just sick of waiting on Verizon and I already know how this is going to go...and how people are going to get. Verizon, just carry these phones and announce it in the next week, Please ? Let's like our carrier again, not hate or wait for ever...
    10-06-2015 07:23 PM
  4. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    (bubbles!) Verizon. I couldn't be happier leaving their (potatoes!) behind, even if they do offer better coverage. I'm tired of being prisoner to these meatheads.

    And why would MS release the phone if it couldn't work on Verizon? There are only two reasons I can think of:
    1) CDMA is a dying technology (maybe?) so why bother adding that radio band
    2) Verizon and MS had a talk and Verizon said, "We don't care if the 950 could work on our network, we're not activating it even if a customer buys it unlocked."

    MS of course wants the phones to be sold in all the carrier stores. But if history tells us anything, Verizon probably wanted to be able to put their bloat-junk on it along with have control to the firmware and updates. MS probably told them to pound sand.
    Last edited by xandros9; 10-07-2015 at 09:49 AM.
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    10-06-2015 09:12 PM
  5. maj71303's Avatar
    simple way to know if a phone works on verizon or sprint is this one simple rule. If there is any kind of letter in front of the acronym CDMA like say a W....then it won't work on either verizon or sprint and they won't activate it either. If it doesn't have any letter in front of the acronym CDMA then taaaaadaaaa welcome to verizon or sprint...maybe if they feel like it.
    10-06-2015 09:59 PM
  6. sph0308's Avatar
    The network bands for the 735 on VZW are identical to the 950 XL. The 950 XL will work on VZW.

    735 on VZW

    GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
    WCDMA Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)

    950 XL Unlocked
    GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
    WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 8 (900MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 17 (700MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 7 (2600MHz), Band 8 (900MHz), Band 28 (700MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
    TD-LTE network: Band 38 (2570-2620MHz), Band 40 (2300-2400MHz), Band 41 partially (2555-2575 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 300 Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 6)
    10-06-2015 10:05 PM
  7. Sedp23's Avatar
    CNet is reporting it's an ATT exclusive... **** me.


    Cnet updated their article



    Correction, 1:54 p.m. PT: The deal between AT&T and Microsoft for the Lumia 950 is not an exclusive one.

    http://www.cnet.com/news/microsofts-...t-t-in-the-us/
    10-06-2015 10:09 PM
  8. dksf42's Avatar
    WOW ... GREAT "CATCH" Sedp23 !!!!

    "Correction, 1:54 p.m. PT:The deal between AT&T and Microsoft for the Lumia 950 is not an exclusive one."

    http://www.cnet.com/news/microsofts-...t-t-in-the-us/
    10-06-2015 10:36 PM
  9. Christopher Senn1's Avatar
    Im guessing a verizon exclusive Windows Phone
    Or maybe not since they ditched WP8 phones

    I thought Verizon is now making their customers buy phones contract free. Figured the 950 would make that list
    10-06-2015 11:01 PM
  10. dksf42's Avatar
    OK ... I issue a formal geek challenge as I am a "very loyal ICON user" and have far too long suffered through "Big Red's" ANTI-MICROSOFT BS and pure arrogance!

    Satya Nadella "I have zero doubt" tried to "buy into the Verizon senior management" and FAILED !!!

    Satya FAILED to BUY Salesforce.com and now has "failed" to convince Big Red to "join the Microsoft last ditch Windows Phone party!!!

    So ... does anyone here know what MVNO means!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...work_operators

    SO ... as I recall, when the PRIME 700 Mhz "spectrum auction occurred several years ago", BIG RED - because of Google - was "BID UP" to a threshold that said that "BIG FXXKING RED" MUST ALLOW ANY suitable device to CONNECT to their "NETWORK" !!!

    Don't believe me ... ANY MVNO and Spectrum experts out there ???

    What if ... Satya Nadella gets "PO'd enough" - just like "reportedly" Apple and Google are - and says screw the "Big Red" carrier road-blockers and create their "own network" "IN the US"???

    How else can Microsoft "survive" playing this "BIG RED" BS ... and anyone else!

    So ... Why doesn't the 950XL and 950 "support" band 13 - is it a Qualcomm failure or FIRMWARE not "enabling" band 13?

    Let's expose this BS once and for all !!!

    Moderator - How about a POLL with two simple questions:

    1) How many existing Verizon users will "change to AT&T" over this?

    2) How many TOTAL Family members, friends, business BYOD colleagues, etc. would you estimate that you WILL "influence" to switch?

    BUSINESS USERS will flock to the 950XL and 950 in "record numbers"!!!
    Last edited by dksf42; 10-06-2015 at 11:47 PM.
    10-06-2015 11:15 PM
  11. maj71303's Avatar
    The network bands for the 735 on VZW are identical to the 950 XL. The 950 XL will work on VZW.

    735 on VZW

    GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
    WCDMA Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)

    950 XL Unlocked
    GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
    WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 8 (900MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 17 (700MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 7 (2600MHz), Band 8 (900MHz), Band 28 (700MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
    TD-LTE network: Band 38 (2570-2620MHz), Band 40 (2300-2400MHz), Band 41 partially (2555-2575 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 300 Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 6)


    so very wrong, do yourself a favor and learn the difference between WCDMA and CDMA. Then go to the micorosft site and look at the 735 specifications again and you might see the missing bands under CDMA that let phones work on verizon and sprint.
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    10-06-2015 11:47 PM
  12. JM_Thomas's Avatar
    I have maybe an answer for the whole issue of MS dealing with Verizon.

    It is really pretty simple, though some would call it the "Nuclear Option".

    MS just needs to call Verizon's CEO and basically give him one of two options:

    1. Verizon open up it's system to Microsoft's phone the same it does for Apple and Samsung, no more, no less. No special treatment, but also no dogging MS phones in relation to the competition. Let the phones sell themselves or not. No pushing them to the back of the store in a corner. They get the same floor space as the others.

    2. If Verizon doesn't like that, OK, fine. ALL and I mean ALL of their computers, across their entire company, just had their Microsoft Windows licenses declared null and void per the EULA. I would be willing to bet MS has plenty of attorney's that could make this stick. Tell Verizon they have 7 days to switch their systems off MS Windows, including their servers, or face multiple lawsuits from all divisions.

    Don't know if that is possible, but it is an idea.
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    10-06-2015 11:49 PM
  13. dksf42's Avatar
    How MUCH is frigging Verizon even "worth" in today's market? I read some time ago that they "sold their towers" to raise $$$ and the bought "excuse me" AOL for "how many billion"!

    How much is Verizon worth = let's be curious?
    10-07-2015 12:05 AM
  14. Doctor_Who's Avatar
    According to these specs the new Lumia 950/950XL will work fine on networks like AT&T, but as far as I can tell not at all on networks like Verizon. Am I correct about that?
    10-07-2015 12:15 AM
  15. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    Band 13 isn't listed anywhere. So i'm assuming the answer is now :[

    GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
    WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 8 (900MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 17 (700MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 7 (2600MHz), Band 8 (900MHz), Band 28 (700MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
    TD-LTE network: Band 38 (2570-2620MHz), Band 40 (2300-2400MHz), Band 41 partially (2555-2575 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 300 Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 6)
    It looks like you'll be able to connect to Verizon's LTE network for data, but you won't be able to make calls or SMS.
    WCDMA isn't the Verizon CDMA tech, which is really EV-DO and 1x RTT.

    That isn't listed, so you won't get full service on either Verizon or Sprint.

    Sorry.
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    10-07-2015 12:17 AM
  16. dksf42's Avatar
    Come on everyone who is PO'd ... Verizon "Band 13" which IS listed for the current Lumia 735 is ***NOT*** on the Lumia 950XL "specs" = NADA for Verizon!

    So, back to my question ... IS this the fault the Qualcomm "chipset" OR that the "firmware has NOT enabled band 13???

    Of course ... I humbly admit, I do NOT know nor care about this but "just wanted US ALL to know" ...

    IS the 950XL nor 950 "even Qualcomm chipset capable of CONNECTING to Verizon"???
    Last edited by dksf42; 10-07-2015 at 12:48 AM.
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    10-07-2015 12:29 AM
  17. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    It has nothing to do with Band 13.

    It has to do with support for EV-DO and 1x RTT, which is Verizon's CDMA technology. Devices on the Verizon network use EV-DO/CDMA for phone calls and text SMS, while they use LTE GSM for data.
    10-07-2015 12:40 AM
  18. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    I have maybe an answer for the whole issue of MS dealing with Verizon.

    It is really pretty simple, though some would call it the "Nuclear Option".

    MS just needs to call Verizon's CEO and basically give him one of two options:

    1. Verizon open up it's system to Microsoft's phone the same it does for Apple and Samsung, no more, no less. No special treatment, but also no dogging MS phones in relation to the competition. Let the phones sell themselves or not. No pushing them to the back of the store in a corner. They get the same floor space as the others.

    2. If Verizon doesn't like that, OK, fine. ALL and I mean ALL of their computers, across their entire company, just had their Microsoft Windows licenses declared null and void per the EULA. I would be willing to bet MS has plenty of attorney's that could make this stick. Tell Verizon they have 7 days to switch their systems off MS Windows, including their servers, or face multiple lawsuits from all divisions.

    Don't know if that is possible, but it is an idea.
    Boy, I'm sure glad you don't run Microsoft. Tactics like that will get you sued out of existence, never mind the Justice Department.
    10-07-2015 12:49 AM
  19. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    So MS dropped the ball again on carrier exclusive nonsense. What's new?
    10-07-2015 12:52 AM
  20. dksf42's Avatar
    It has nothing to do with Band 13.

    It has to do with support for EV-DO and 1x RTT, which is Verizon's CDMA technology. Devices on the Verizon network use EV-DO/CDMA for phone calls and text SMS, while they use LTE GSM for data.
    So ... translation = NO GO for Verizon "in combination of the bands REQUIRED"?
    10-07-2015 12:57 AM
  21. illidanx's Avatar
    The network bands for the 735 on VZW are identical to the 950 XL. The 950 XL will work on VZW.

    735 on VZW

    GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
    WCDMA Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)

    950 XL Unlocked
    GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
    WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 8 (900MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 17 (700MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 7 (2600MHz), Band 8 (900MHz), Band 28 (700MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
    TD-LTE network: Band 38 (2570-2620MHz), Band 40 (2300-2400MHz), Band 41 partially (2555-2575 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 300 Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 6)
    I think the specs for Lumia 735 on Microsoft website miss the CDMA band, which is different from WCDMA. Otherwise, there is no way that phone can work on verizon network.
    10-07-2015 12:59 AM
  22. goodsit2's Avatar
    Not sure if this link will work, but here is a comparison of specs between 950xl, 950, and 735. You can scroll down to Connectivity and see the differences between the bands available on each.
    Search results for Lumia 950 XL, Lumia 950, Lumia 735 - Microsoft - USA

    You will notice it does not have band 13 (one of the Verizon frequencies) as many above have indicated.
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    10-07-2015 12:59 AM
  23. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    So ... translation = NO GO for Verizon "in combination of the bands REQUIRED"?
    Unless there's a specific phone, built for Verizon Wireless, with support for EV-DO CDMA tech, yeah, no go.

    It's basically just AT&T in the U.S.

    You can use T-Mobile but you also won't have access to their exclusive VoLTE (voice over LTE) technology, or Wifi calling. Also phones that ride on the T-Mobile network, but aren't official T-Mo devices always have issues with group text messaging, since the carrier does SMS/MMS a bit differently than others, from what I understand.
    Last edited by Johnny Tremaine; 10-07-2015 at 01:16 AM.
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    10-07-2015 01:01 AM
  24. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar

    I thought Verizon is now making their customers buy phones contract free. Figured the 950 would make that list
    It looks like that initiative was launched with the new iPhones in mind, which really DO pack in all the relevant carrier antennas for the U.S. market.

    Ditto, the new Moto X Pure and Moto G. Surprised that Microsoft couldn't bother with including antennas for the Verizon network. I mean, the Moto G......
    10-07-2015 01:11 AM
  25. dksf42's Avatar
    It looks like that initiative was launched with the new iPhones in mind, which really DO pack in all the relevant carrier antennas for the U.S. market.
    SO = NO Band 13 as a "fault of the Qualcomm chipset" - or - NOT firmware enabled ...

    Because ... "possibly Verizon WILL introduce there own "960XL and 960 variants"?
    10-07-2015 01:18 AM
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