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  1. garak0410's Avatar
    The fact that there's still speculation, even after Microsoft placards, in a Microsoft store, specifically call out the fact that the device won't work on CDMA, this thread deserves the largest Captain Picard face palm gif that one can dredge up from the interwebs.

    Couldn't figure out how to attach it though. So.......*Face Palm*
    To their defense, I do feel the pain as I do also want a 950XL on Verizon...Paul Thurrott all but said it was a dead issue...that placard all but confirms it but Mary Jo Foley gave some glimmer of hope this week (but doubtful)
    10-16-2015 11:39 AM
  2. garak0410's Avatar
    Is the interview with Mary Jo Foley just discounted entirely?
    Has anyone tweeted/emailed her about this? It does offer SOME hope...
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    10-16-2015 11:40 AM
  3. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    Is the interview with Mary Jo Foley just discounted entirely?
    Official documentation *in a Microsoft store*, probably trumps what somebody's off the record source said to a tech journalist, who speculated about it in an interview.
    10-16-2015 12:02 PM
  4. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    The fact that there's still speculation, even after Microsoft placards, in a Microsoft store, specifically call out the fact that the device won't work on CDMA, this thread deserves the largest Captain Picard face palm gif that one can dredge up from the interwebs.

    Couldn't figure out how to attach it though. So.......*Face Palm*
    Here you go... straight from my Placebo Antivirus app (now over 1/2 million times installed though it actually does nothing).

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    10-16-2015 12:03 PM
  5. Brett Sites's Avatar
    It's always possible the placard (official documentation in a Microsoft store) was correct at that moment. It's also possible that the phones are, as Mary Jo Foley describes, "universal" phones and just haven't been certified for CDMA, yet. It's also possible that the recall of the demo phones could be related and Microsoft might be getting that certification taken care of. These are realistic possibilities and since nothing has been 100% confirmed on anything related to the 950 and 950XL working on Verizon's network, this thread is likely going to keep growing until all possibilities are realistically exhausted. As someone said previously, until the FCC docs are available, we are all merely speculating. Some are positive and some are negative. There will always be skeptics and those full of hope. I'm just thankful I have a great working Icon in the meantime.
    10-16-2015 12:12 PM
  6. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    Here you go... straight from my Placebo Antivirus app (now over 1/2 million times installed though it actually does nothing).

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    LOL, kind of reminds me of a couple of lines from Dumb and Dumber, in this instance Lloyd Christmas is played by the hopeful prospective buyers of the Lumia 950 devices and Mary is Verizon Wireless:

    Lloyd: What are the chances of a guy like you and a girl like me... ending up together?
    Mary: Well, that's pretty difficult to say.
    Lloyd: Hit me with it! I've come a long way to see you, Mary. The least you can do is level with me. What are my chances?
    Mary: Not good.
    Lloyd: You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?
    Mary: I'd say more like one out of a million.
    [pause]
    Lloyd: So you're telling me there's a chance. Yeah!
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    10-16-2015 12:13 PM
  7. DavidinCT's Avatar
    But, if it is also missing band 13 per the published specifications, then one would be limited to LTE on AWS (1700/2100) in just those areas where they even have it deployed....in other words t-mobile-like indoor coverage from 3 years ago. The FCC cert docs will be very telling in that regard as well.
    It was also said in REDDIT that someone put in a Verizon 4G sim and it did nothing....
    10-16-2015 12:19 PM
  8. MikeSo's Avatar
    So to sum it up: Microsoft says on their website and in printed material in the store that this phone "will not work with CDMA carriers", there has been NO word at all from Verizon that they have any interest in carrying this phone, Windows Phones have previously barely been acknowledged by them in support and sales channels, and now the FCC seems to say there is no CDMA on this phone...

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    10-16-2015 12:53 PM
  9. MikeSo's Avatar
    LOL, kind of reminds me of a couple of lines from Dumb and Dumber, in this instance Lloyd Christmas is played by the hopeful prospective buyers of the Lumia 950 devices and Mary is Verizon Wireless:

    Lloyd: What are the chances of a guy like you and a girl like me... ending up together?
    Mary: Well, that's pretty difficult to say.
    Lloyd: Hit me with it! I've come a long way to see you, Mary. The least you can do is level with me. What are my chances?
    Mary: Not good.
    Lloyd: You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?
    Mary: I'd say more like one out of a million.
    [pause]
    Lloyd: So you're telling me there's a chance. Yeah!
    Haha I didn't even see this when I posted my image above. LOL.
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    10-16-2015 12:53 PM
  10. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I watched the new Windows Weekly show last night, and Mary Jo Foley said the phone is built to be universal, and has the technical requirements to run on Verizon. However Verizon must "authenticate the chips" to be allowed on their network, and they won't (or haven't yet) certified the new 950 and XL.

    https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly...utostart=false
    at 1hr mark.
    Is the interview with Mary Jo Foley just discounted entirely?
    I listened to till they were done talking about phones (from the 1hr mark). Really an Eye opener. Paul stated that "Microsoft admitied that Windows Phone is a failure and they had one of Microsoft's largest tax right offs". They are NO longer trying to complete with iOS or Android.

    This is VERY bad for people dreaming of a world of Apps, this will be very limited for a long time or till when MS finally throughs in the towel (this opens the door for them to give up on it). As you will get apps here and there but, the BIG boys who are not creating an app for WP, the chances of them doing it, has dropped even more. So, if you were looking forward to that HEAD to HEAD on iOS or Android on the apps front, the chance of this happening is almost nill.

    This is one of the things you should be asking yourself...Should I even buy a 950XL as a year from now there could be no support for it any more ?

    The word is from Mary Jo is that she BELIEVES (you need to listen to how she said it to understand why I am saying this) that it was Verizon's fault, As they need a key and Verizon would not enable it. Then we have Paul who said that this is Microsoft is only working with carriers that supported them, this is why Verizon's network is disabled, by Microsoft.

    So what I got from that is, the SAME INFO we had before (as the 950/950XL on Verizon). They gave no rumor, or information that they would or wouldn't work on Verizon (Besides Mary Jo, like the rest of us here, would really like the 950XL on Verizon).

    This is hardware bands that are enabled or disabled, this is a Microsoft thing. If Microsoft enables these bands, then the fight would be with Verizon to activate it.

    Then we have the FCC info, that shows NO sign of CDMA, this is almost like a NAIL in the coffin thing. As a cell phone that is aprroved to be used in the USA needs to be tested by the FCC and it's all documented. WIth No CDMA, this is another killer here.

    Unless Microsoft releases another phone, like a 949XL or something, in it's current form, the 950XL will not work on Verizon, even the FCC says so (no CDMA support). We have seen in the past that doucments show up in the FCC days before the phone is on the market, so if there is a CHANCE, it will be in another phone with a different model number.

    If you think it will after this, I have a SWEET bridge for sale in NYC, sweet deal..... come on get it while it's hot !

    Sorry guys/gals, It really is looking like the 950XL WILL NOT work on Verizon...No matter how much you want it to.
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    10-16-2015 01:26 PM
  11. MikeSo's Avatar
    While it's true that Microsoft is relegating Windows Phone to niche status (as it has been), they are very bullish about creating the app store for Windows 10 and getting developers there to make Universal apps. I don't know if it will help W10M, since the use scenarios for phones vs laptops/PCs are very different, but there should be a spillover effect. I don't think Microsoft is ready to throw int he towel on Windows Phone yet. It's still their plain A to have their own mobile offering. However, it is clear that the Plan B of being an "alternative ecosystem" on iOS and Android is very strongly at the forefront of their strategy as well.

    Which frankly is the most important thing to me, and which makes me secure in choosing Lumia 950XL as my next phone. If MS decides to call it a day in mobile development, I can just get an Android phone and keep using the same Microsoft services. That is a much more important aspect to me than the viability of the OS itself.
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    10-16-2015 01:40 PM
  12. jmagwp's Avatar
    Well, if these phones or the rumored upcoming Surface phone won't work on CDMA carriers, then Microsoft shouldn't even bother with W10M in the US because no developer in their right mind would focus on a platform that explicitly excludes half or more of a potential market. Outside of the US Windows Phone/Mobile continues to grow. But the US has little chance if AT&T and T-Mobile are the only participating carriers. I for one would have to leave Windows Phone/Mobile because AT&T service is terrible where I need it most and T-Mobile is even worse. So if I wanted a new phone I'd have to go iPhone or Android on Verizon, neither of which are very acceptable alternatives.

    This is another Microsoft PR disaster. "Hey, check out these new awesome phones...that you may or may not be able to use!"
    10-16-2015 01:41 PM
  13. Generalheed's Avatar
    (sigh) I believed in Microsoft, but now... i just don't know...

    I guess there's only one reasonable thing left for us to do... Everyone grab your torches and pitchforks and let's go visit Microsoft HQ. But nah, I guess the real solution for me would be to just temporarily upgrade to a Lumia Icon from my Lumia 928 until Microsoft hopefully releases a new flagship phone on Verizon. If this really is the end of Windows Phone/Mobile, then we'll see what the state of Android and iOS is if that time does come.
    10-16-2015 01:46 PM
  14. DavidinCT's Avatar
    This is another Microsoft PR disaster. "Hey, check out these new awesome phones...that you may or may not be able to use!"
    You must be new here. As Verizon customers, we have been dealing with this on EVERY Verson of WIndows Phone..... Windows Phone 7...4-6 months after AT&T had them. AT&T had 8.1 devices long before Verizon did and same with current 8.1 devices... We did get models after a while but, for the most part, lower end models than the Nokia line (Anyone remember the HTC Trophy ?)

    So, If we DO get the 950XL, according to paterns (going WAY BACK TO FLIP PHONES), Verizon will get it in 6 months, after they strip it down, Verizonize it and the phone is completely outdated...

    This is NOT an iPhone after all....or even a flagship Android device...
    10-16-2015 01:47 PM
  15. Brett Sites's Avatar
    We DO NOT have the FCC info, as reported above, since the info someone got was for a different model. Just clarifying the facts as I've caught them so far.
    10-16-2015 02:19 PM
  16. theefman's Avatar
    Well, if these phones or the rumored upcoming Surface phone won't work on CDMA carriers, then Microsoft shouldn't even bother with W10M in the US because no developer in their right mind would focus on a platform that explicitly excludes half or more of a potential market.
    Since when does Verizon have half or more of the total US wireless market? Not to mention you STILL have to battle the reps in store to actually buy a WP device. Seems this is yet another example of people blowing the importance of Verizon waaaaay out of proportion....
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    10-16-2015 02:50 PM
  17. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    We DO NOT have the FCC info, as reported above, since the info someone got was for a different model. Just clarifying the facts as I've caught them so far.
    I'm not on Verizon and would probably use cans and strings before ever using them but would the FCC info prove one way or another if the phone could work on Verizon? I mean, couldn't a phone maker include everything needed (possibly because its built into components from 3rd parties) but just didn't have it tested/certified? Is it possible all it might take is having the phone re-certified for those frequencies after a carrier makes it worth their time and money to do that?
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    10-16-2015 03:04 PM
  18. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    I'm not on Verizon and would probably use cans and strings before ever using them but would the FCC info prove one way or another if the phone could work on Verizon? I mean, couldn't a phone maker include everything needed (possibly because its built into components from 3rd parties) but just didn't have it tested/certified? Is it possible all it might take is having the phone re-certified for those frequencies after a carrier makes it worth their time and money to do that?
    Yes to all that. The FCC info will show whether the phone is certified for CDMA. If not, it's still possible that it contains all the required components and could be certified later.
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    10-16-2015 03:08 PM
  19. phelme's Avatar
    While it's true that Microsoft is relegating Windows Phone to niche status (as it has been), they are very bullish about creating the app store for Windows 10 and getting developers there to make Universal apps. I don't know if it will help W10M, since the use scenarios for phones vs laptops/PCs are very different,
    If you follow the developer guidelines for Windows 10 universal apps, the tools and API's are there to have a UX work across all platforms. Though with varying degrees of UI friendliness IMO. This is one of the reasons MS has been going more towards hamburgers than panoramas and pivots.
    10-16-2015 03:31 PM
  20. MikeSo's Avatar
    If you follow the developer guidelines for Windows 10 universal apps, the tools and API's are there to have a UX work across all platforms. Though with varying degrees of UI friendliness IMO. This is one of the reasons MS has been going more towards hamburgers than panoramas and pivots.
    Correct. I was referring more to whether developers would be willing to develop a Windows 10 app that is mostly intended for mobile use, say like a jukebox app or bus ride planning app.
    10-16-2015 03:36 PM
  21. luxnws's Avatar
    While it's true that Microsoft is relegating Windows Phone to niche status (as it has been), they are very bullish about creating the app store for Windows 10 and getting developers there to make Universal apps. I don't know if it will help W10M, since the use scenarios for phones vs laptops/PCs are very different, but there should be a spillover effect. I don't think Microsoft is ready to throw int he towel on Windows Phone yet. It's still their plain A to have their own mobile offering. However, it is clear that the Plan B of being an "alternative ecosystem" on iOS and Android is very strongly at the forefront of their strategy as well.

    Which frankly is the most important thing to me, and which makes me secure in choosing Lumia 950XL as my next phone. If MS decides to call it a day in mobile development, I can just get an Android phone and keep using the same Microsoft services. That is a much more important aspect to me than the viability of the OS itself.
    From going head-to-head against Apple and Samsung a few years ago with national ad campaigns to having to sell the top-of-the-line 950 XL flagship only through the Microsoft store now pretty much is throwing in the towel. One indication will be going to an AT&T store early next year and seeing how much AT&T salespeople are trying to sell the 950 after the release publicity dies down.

    It's like the current batch of Windows Phones are stubs or placeholders until Microsoft can pull a Surface Book-like surprise in phones. Still I hope every WP enthusiast with the spendable cash buys a 950 or a 950XL if only to support the os. WP 8.1 was good and W10M is better.
    10-16-2015 05:07 PM
  22. Jeddic's Avatar
    Wow, I haven't kept up on the past few pages, but there is some misinformation on this page.

    Microsoft has made clear with their investment, and public statements, that they are very committed to having a strong presence in mobile. They know they can't compete with Android and iOS head-to-head now. We all know that. But MS will be an option. They know that unless they can get 30% plus of Americans or others in the world to use their phones, they won't get the same developer attention. That's why they're fighting for UWP apps, so they can use their W10 userbase to get mobile apps.

    MS will continue to support these devices. I think, based on trends over the last year, the support will even be better than what past flagships received. Also, they did say that they're letting the distribution channels narrow for now, so they can push wider distribution in the future.

    These are two of the last Nokia phones. After this, comes MS designs. Will they be mature, awesome designs like the Surface Pro 4, or more like the Surface Pro? We don't know right now. But I think we can guess that whatever Panos has coming will be pretty cool, and MS will throw a lot of weight behind it.
    10-16-2015 06:05 PM
  23. Jeddic's Avatar
    From going head-to-head against Apple and Samsung a few years ago with national ad campaigns to having to sell the top-of-the-line 950 XL flagship only through the Microsoft store now pretty much is throwing in the towel.
    I don't think Microsoft is giving up. I think they're refocusing. It makes no sense to spend millions on ads and getting your phones into carrier stores, when the carriers do everything they can to not sell them. Better to advertise phones that will be in your own store, where people will be able to find them and learn about them, and maybe even buy one.
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    10-16-2015 06:07 PM
  24. luxnws's Avatar
    I don't think Microsoft is giving up. I think they're refocusing. It makes no sense to spend millions on ads and getting your phones into carrier stores, when the carriers do everything they can to not sell them. Better to advertise phones that will be in your own store, where people will be able to find them and learn about them, and maybe even buy one.
    "Refocusing." Sounds like corporate-speak.

    Microsoft will continue to support the phones but they aren't and won't be trying to be #1 or #2 anymore. Isn't one of the mantras that if you're not #1 or #2 in a category...like the billion dollar business mantra.
    10-16-2015 06:25 PM
  25. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    It was also said in REDDIT that someone put in a Verizon 4G sim and it did nothing....
    right, but it's unclear if it was an issue of the SIM slots themselves being disabled or if the phone was not able to connect due to locked out/missing bands. I haven't heard of anyone putting in another SIM (t-mobile or at&t) and having it work in the demo units. So, we're not sure WHY it didn't work. Again, due to the missing FCC docs for RM-1116, I would wager that they are just "dummy" phones for now.
    10-16-2015 06:33 PM
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