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  1. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    SO = NO Band 13 as a "fault of the Qualcomm chipset" - or - NOT firmware enabled ...

    Because ... "possibly Verizon WILL introduce there own "960XL and 960 variants"?
    You're overthinking this. All you need to know is that, these particular Lumia devices won't work on Verizon.
    10-07-2015 01:20 AM
  2. final_fantasy781's Avatar
    SO = NO Band 13 as a "fault of the Qualcomm chipset" - or - NOT firmware enabled ...

    Because ... "possibly Verizon WILL introduce there own "960XL and 960 variants"?
    I don't see either happening, Verizon variants anyways. Unfortunately, the new phones won't seem to work but only with AT&T.
    10-07-2015 03:16 AM
  3. nokia4life's Avatar
    Thanks for the history, but we had been "hoping" that Microsoft would fulfill their "rumored promise" from almost 6 months ago to "go direct" with UNLOCKED phones!
    Per the website both models will be sold unlocked and it seems that there will also be a carrier variant for att so there may be hope for you Verizon folks however I plan on getting the unlocked xl to use on att vs carrier branded.


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    10-07-2015 04:23 AM
  4. DavidinCT's Avatar
    So MS dropped the ball again on carrier exclusive nonsense. What's new?
    Just so you know, the GLOBAL standards for Cell phones IS GSM. When it comes to the gobal market Microsoft's goal, allow access to the most customers in the world. Verizon uses a Key for CDMA and it's about the only one in the gobal marketplace (as far as I know). When you look at the big picture, making the phone in the global standards (that includes AT&T as they are primary GSM), is the most important to them.

    Due to Verizon's security on their network, unlocked phones wont work on Verizon's CDMA network (even if it DID support the correct bands for it). Wile it might be possable to use it on their LTE network for some things, 1/2 the features would not work and call quality would be questionable. The 3G network is still used for texts and the fallback network (so you dont drop calls). The advanages of Verizon's network would be gone if you lost CDMA access (dead spots would be more common and no signal areas would be in more places than you know).

    No matter how many people here WANT the 950 and 950XL to work on Verizon and how some numbers MIGHT match up as for band, it will not fully work on Verizon and would not even be worth trying.

    The ONLY way to get a fully working phone with all features is for Verizon to add the phone to their selection to add the feature set needed.

    If you want this phone on Verizon, everyone get on the phone and ask for it, keep calling, it's the only way it MIGHT come. SO if your thinking about spending $550-650 on a phone and it will just work on Verizon like your current one does, you will be VERY dispointed.

    Trust me, I wish it was different, I want this phone too but, I am not willing to give up my unlimited Verizon LTE Data plan....it would just cost so much to go to a metered plan.
    10-07-2015 09:37 AM
  5. jt09xlt's Avatar
    FWIW on chat with ATT rep right now and he checked and stated they will be offering the XL as well as the 950. $300 credit for switching from Verizon as well. Here I come.
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    10-07-2015 09:44 AM
  6. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    Eh, we're the 2% though, of the smartphone market. The preponderance of consumers aren't switching carriers for a Windows phone that they know little about, from their Androids and iPhones on other carriers.

    Those are just the cold hard facts; Verizon wireless represents about half of all U.S. smartphone consumers, so right there, the Lumia is out of the gate in the U.S., with half the market unavailable to them.
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    10-07-2015 10:08 AM
  7. to_be_announced's Avatar
    Went on a Verizon chat to bring up the lack of support for the new Windows phones. The reps exact words were "I do understand, but why settle for something less when you can get the amazing iphones or samsung phones." I LOL'd at that one. Pretty ridiculous.
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    10-07-2015 10:12 AM
  8. libra89's Avatar
    Went on a Verizon chat to bring up the lack of support for the new Windows phones. The reps exact words were "I do understand, but why settle for something less when you can get the amazing iphones or samsung phones." I LOL'd at that one. Pretty ridiculous.
    Wow...
    10-07-2015 10:14 AM
  9. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Went on a Verizon chat to bring up the lack of support for the new Windows phones. The reps exact words were "I do understand, but why settle for something less when you can get the amazing iphones or samsung phones." I LOL'd at that one. Pretty ridiculous.
    Nothing new...No wonder why Windows Phone only has 2-3.5% in the US...
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    10-07-2015 10:24 AM
  10. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    The revised the report:

    Microsoft's new Lumia phones will launch with AT&T in the US



    [/I]AT&T will carry the 950. Both Lumias will work on AT&T. They should also work on T-Mobile. The current band support does not work with Verizon. That surprises me a bit since the rumors were that the radios were universal like the iPhone 6s or the Moto X Pure Edition.

    I was told in the past that Verizon expected them to be universal radios and considered selling them to business customers, but things change. I don't know the expense of those radios and the amount of carriers that use CDMA globally is small, so great expense to support few customers doesn't make great business sense.

    Windows has seen the best success on AT&T and T-Mobile. Their new devices support both those carriers. The rumors have been that other devices are going to Verizon and I think the prices are there to open the door to other OEMs.

    We'll see what happens. I have no problem going to AT&T or T-Mobile if I need to.
    Mac, weren't you the one saying that you didn't expect Verizon to sell the 950 line because they would be focused on other Windows Mobile 10 OEM's?

    It does suck that Microsoft devices won't work on Verizon. But it just further solidifies that Microsoft is going to trust AT&T to move their Lumina line, and Verizon to move Windows 10 devices made by other OEM's.
    10-07-2015 10:38 AM
  11. mdefran65's Avatar
    Why would you ask a Verizon rep that question. My cat knows more about phones then VZW rep?
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    10-07-2015 10:43 AM
  12. loki993's Avatar

    Trust me, I wish it was different, I want this phone too but, I am not willing to give up my unlimited Verizon LTE Data plan....it would just cost so much to go to a metered plan.
    I'm in the same boat.....I would probably actually switch because of this phone but I cant because of my unlimited plan and any other carrier Id got to would cost me more money.

    Went on a Verizon chat to bring up the lack of support for the new Windows phones. The reps exact words were "I do understand, but why settle for something less when you can get the amazing iphones or samsung phones." I LOL'd at that one. Pretty ridiculous.
    If they actually said that...I don't know what to say. Id almost love to drop the rebuttal that my Icon does anything the new iphones does and it did it over a year ago.
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    10-07-2015 10:46 AM
  13. Novron's Avatar
    More with the CDMA tripe. Christ, read an update at least once every decade.
    10-07-2015 10:56 AM
  14. wpfan2be's Avatar
    Yep, just confirmed with AT&T. $300 per line plus trade-in for the Icon to switch from Verizon. Now he said they only do this if you get a Next plan...
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    10-07-2015 10:57 AM
  15. AUmike734's Avatar
    This really sucks... I've been 'off-contract' for a while now holding onto the hopes that a W10 device would be available soon through VZW. If they try to push us to a VZW branded variation of the 950, I will have to pass. Personal experience with 'proprietary' VZW hardware has been horrible... They're quick to abandon said device for whatever they want to shove down our throat next, leaving us with a buggy device and little hope for a SW push to fix it anytime this century... or even the latest release of whatever OS is available to the rest of the free world.

    WHY VERIZON WHY?
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    10-07-2015 11:08 AM
  16. Kleeshay's Avatar
    My wife and I have been happy with Verizon coverage and the pricing we receive. However, she's very interested in the 950s. It looks like we'll be selling our old phones, breaking contract with Verizon, and moving on. I plan to buy the phones out-right and use a pre-paid carrier on ATT towers (the Straight Talk BYOP plans look great).

    I know ATT offers a buy out for those under contract, but after the 830 Denim debacle I would rather buy carrier unlocked phones. It will be sticker shock for the Mrs buying a phone up front!
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    10-07-2015 11:17 AM
  17. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    This really sucks. I've been with Verizon for years and finally got out my last contract last month. The new pricing they've implemented cut my bill by over 40% (from $121 to about $51) so I'm just beginning to enjoy not being robbed for cellphone service. Now come to find out the phone I've been waiting for isn't going to be available and if I want it I may have to switch to AT&T and possibly get robbed again. Extremely frustrating.

    If this is really true and the only hope is that Verizon releases a carrier variant I see zero chance of it happening just based on the way they handled WP in the past. MS gave them a variant flagship and they treated it like a stepchild. I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon balks and just chalks it up to their low market share as that seems to have been their stance to this point.

    If it really could've been solved by MS including the proper hardware for it to operate on Verizon, well then you could add complete confusion to my frustration because that would be a horrible decision. I really hope the solution wasn't as simple as using the proper hardware because there's no way you're convincing me that adding whatever antenna or extra/different hardware they needed wouldn't have been cost efficient on a $600 device.

    I'll look at AT&T's plan pricing but if it's back to paying $100 + for one line after finally being able to enjoy a much lower monthly bill I might have to stick with Verizon and (gasp) buy an iPhone/Galaxy. This.really.sucks.
    10-07-2015 11:18 AM
  18. realwarder's Avatar
    I'll look at AT&T's plan pricing but if it's back to paying $100 + for one line after finally being able to enjoy a much lower monthly bill I might have to stick with Verizon and (gasp) buy an iPhone/Galaxy. This.really.sucks.
    We pay $90 for 2 lines on AT&T so it would be impressive to pay more for one. Unless you're wanting masses of data. But I can't believe Verizon was giving masses for free...

    In-laws moved from Verizon to AT&T and monthly bill went down.

    Nice benefit is GSM phones on AT&T work anywhere in the world... except on Verizon (+Sprint) which has it's proprietary network lock in.
    10-07-2015 11:32 AM
  19. to_be_announced's Avatar
    This thread should be closed. Pretty obvious the answer is a big fat

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    10-07-2015 11:48 AM
  20. tgp's Avatar
    Due to Verizon's security on their network, unlocked phones wont work on Verizon's CDMA network (even if it DID support the correct bands for it).
    I'm not sure why this keeps coming up in this forum. This statement is not true. The factory unlocked iPhone 6/6+, iPhone 6s/6s+, Nexus 6/6P/5X, and the Moto X Pure Edition all work perfectly fine on Verizon. I have a Nexus 6 I bought directly from Motorola last year, and it works perfectly. While Verizon wouldn't activate it (they do now), I simply put in my active Verizon SIM card and I was up and running. I even have Verizon's VoLTE service.

    Microsoft could have done this too. I do not know why they didn't. Was it AT&T's demands? Was it the added cost of the CDMA radios? Was it hardware and/or software technicalities?

    Nice benefit is GSM phones on AT&T work anywhere in the world... except on Verizon (+Sprint) which has it's proprietary network lock in.
    Verizon's LTE phones are also GSM unlocked. No advantage here. In fact, they're better than AT&T branded phones; Verizon's are unlocked from the factory, while AT&T's are not.
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    10-07-2015 11:59 AM
  21. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    We pay $90 for 2 lines on AT&T so it would be impressive to pay more for one. Unless you're wanting masses of data. But I can't believe Verizon was giving masses for free...

    In-laws moved from Verizon to AT&T and monthly bill went down.

    Nice benefit is GSM phones on AT&T work anywhere in the world... except on Verizon (+Sprint) which has it's proprietary network lock in.
    I checked with AT&T and it looks like I'd be paying $55/month with 2GB instead of the new $51/1GB rate that Verizon's new plan affords me. Since the AT&T appears to be more bang for my buck (even though I don't really need the extra gig) so maybe the outlook isn't as bleak.

    *wipes brow*
    I'm still getting a 950!!! F%^& yeah!
    Last edited by offbeatbop; 10-07-2015 at 12:26 PM.
    10-07-2015 12:12 PM
  22. to_be_announced's Avatar
    So got a question for someone that knows more than me. What piece of hardware in the phone is it that has to contain the support for the CDMA for Verizon? I always thought it was the chipset. So would have thought since these phones have the Snapdragon 808 and 810 that they would have the required tech necessary for Verizon.........
    10-07-2015 12:24 PM
  23. illidanx's Avatar
    Just so you know, the GLOBAL standards for Cell phones IS GSM. When it comes to the gobal market Microsoft's goal, allow access to the most customers in the world. Verizon uses a Key for CDMA and it's about the only one in the gobal marketplace (as far as I know). When you look at the big picture, making the phone in the global standards (that includes AT&T as they are primary GSM), is the most important to them.

    Due to Verizon's security on their network, unlocked phones wont work on Verizon's CDMA network (even if it DID support the correct bands for it). Wile it might be possable to use it on their LTE network for some things, 1/2 the features would not work and call quality would be questionable. The 3G network is still used for texts and the fallback network (so you dont drop calls). The advanages of Verizon's network would be gone if you lost CDMA access (dead spots would be more common and no signal areas would be in more places than you know).

    No matter how many people here WANT the 950 and 950XL to work on Verizon and how some numbers MIGHT match up as for band, it will not fully work on Verizon and would not even be worth trying.

    The ONLY way to get a fully working phone with all features is for Verizon to add the phone to their selection to add the feature set needed.

    If you want this phone on Verizon, everyone get on the phone and ask for it, keep calling, it's the only way it MIGHT come. SO if your thinking about spending $550-650 on a phone and it will just work on Verizon like your current one does, you will be VERY dispointed.

    Trust me, I wish it was different, I want this phone too but, I am not willing to give up my unlimited Verizon LTE Data plan....it would just cost so much to go to a metered plan.
    Except iphone and nexus phones can work on all US carriers and globally as well. for example, see the specs for nexus 5x here LG Nexus 5X - Full phone specifications
    10-07-2015 12:26 PM
  24. jt09xlt's Avatar
    I checked with AT&T and it looks like I'd be paying $55/month with 2GB instead of the new $51/1GB rate that Verizon's new plan affords me. Since the AT&T appears to be more bang for my buck (even though I don't really need the extra gig) so maybe the outlook isn't as bleak.

    *wipes brow*
    I'm still getting a 950!!! F%^& yeah!
    you could also go the pre-paid route for $40/mo with 1.5 gb on auto pay and just buy phone outright and still get $100 credit for byod per rep making phone actually 550, something i am seriously considering as it includes rollover data or if you need more data do 55/mo pre-paid auto pay for 4gb

    Prepaid & No Contract Cell Phone Plans - AT&T GoPhone
    10-07-2015 12:27 PM
  25. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Except iphone and nexus phones can work on all US carriers and globally as well. for example, see the specs for nexus 5x here LG Nexus 5X - Full phone specifications
    '

    With No agreement with Verizon ? It would of been nice if Microsoft talked to Verizon to make this happen in an unlocked model like this but, Of course VSW didn't care (Was bettiing more VZW than Microsoft but, what do I know ?)
    10-07-2015 12:33 PM
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