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  1. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    I agree. Enable the CDMA, throw the device out there, and see what happens. Let the chips fall where they may.

    The thing is, I'm sure there's more to it than that! Microsoft is certainly making a calculated decision here. Google and Apple proved that Verizon's consent is not necessary. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft's actions have something to do with whatever deal was inked with AT&T.
    The problem comes from people returning the phones in a lower volume business. Microsoft is launching them where they know they will work on day one.

    Do you prefer a company that throws its customers to the wolves or one that ensures its customers can get the experience they desire right out of the box? Remember, Satya Nadella is stressing that they want to move people towards LOVING Windows. How would several thousand users being unable to activate their new Windows mobile devices help in getting people to LOVE Windows? Sure, it's not completely their fault, but they could have shielded them and not released the CDMA phone until they KNEW it would work. That's what I think they're doing. They may unlock the CDMA bands in the future when they know it will activate.

    Also was interesting to hear the hints in this past week's AskDan video about LG and Samsung possibly bringing Windows Mobile to Verizon.
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    10-21-2015 09:31 AM
  2. tk-093's Avatar
    Also was interesting to hear the hints in this past week's AskDan video about LG and Samsung possibly bringing Windows Mobile to Verizon.
    I'd kill for a Windows 10 Mobile Galaxy Note 5 type. I'm addicted to my stylus... Love scribbling things down with OneNote.
    10-21-2015 11:56 AM
  3. tgp's Avatar
    The problem comes from people returning the phones in a lower volume business. Microsoft is launching them where they know they will work on day one.

    Do you prefer a company that throws its customers to the wolves or one that ensures its customers can get the experience they desire right out of the box? Remember, Satya Nadella is stressing that they want to move people towards LOVING Windows. How would several thousand users being unable to activate their new Windows mobile devices help in getting people to LOVE Windows? Sure, it's not completely their fault, but they could have shielded them and not released the CDMA phone until they KNEW it would work. That's what I think they're doing. They may unlock the CDMA bands in the future when they know it will activate.

    Also was interesting to hear the hints in this past week's AskDan video about LG and Samsung possibly bringing Windows Mobile to Verizon.
    Yes you are correct. My first line was tongue-in-cheek. I did mention that Microsoft is making a calculated decision here, and what you said is probably why they ended up where they did. Google and Apple can get away with a slight black eye over something like Verizon not activating the phones, but Microsoft cannot afford another hit.

    But at the same time, is it any worse than the hit they're taking this way? Most cell phone users in the US walk into a carrier store, choose something from the available devices, and walk out the door with it. If someone is savvy enough to go online and order an unlocked phone directly from Microsoft to use on Verizon, I guarantee you they also know that they will need to have an already active SIM card in order to use it. Most of them would already be on Verizon already anyway and have an active SIM card. I actually question whether it would cause any harm to Microsoft's name in the real world. Theoretically, yes, it could. Realistically, maybe, but doubtful.

    There were users all over the Nexus 6 last year, and recently the Moto X Pure Edition, who bought them knowing that this is what they would have to do. I do not believe it created a blight on Google's or Motorola's names.

    Again, I'm sure Microsoft thought of all the advantages and disadvantages, put them on a balance, and went with the side that hangs lower. They are making the right decision based on available data. But it is one of those decisions where Microsoft is screwed either way.
    10-21-2015 12:01 PM
  4. sprtfan's Avatar
    I still think that Microsoft doesn't necessarily cares about selling Lumia phones, they care about Window 10 mobile. If they can get 3rd parties like Samsung and LG to bring some high quality phones to Verizon, it maybe a best case outcome for Microsoft. I could potentially see Samsung and LG being less likely to make a high end windows phone for Verizon if they'd have to also compete against the 950/950XL. Microsoft still would have the option of unlocking the 950/950XL if needed but I can see the advantage to them giving some 3rd parties a chance.
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    10-21-2015 01:08 PM
  5. garak0410's Avatar
    I'd kill for a Windows 10 Mobile Galaxy Note 5 type. I'm addicted to my stylus... Love scribbling things down with OneNote.
    Agreed...I am "temporarily" on a Note 5 as I wait to see how Verizon handles future Flagships and when battery life on Windows 10 mobile settles down on my ICON. I love having a stylus handy and man, this phone is a beast.
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    10-21-2015 01:40 PM
  6. NOLATechy's Avatar
    Agreed...I am "temporarily" on a Note 5 as I wait to see how Verizon handles future Flagships and when battery life on Windows 10 mobile settles down on my ICON. I love having a stylus handy and man, this phone is a beast.
    FYI, W10 Build 10572 works GREAT on my Lumia Icon now, but there is a trick on how to make it work, and it's rather lengthy, but my Lumia Icon now works better then Win8.1 did. You'll also want to back up EVERYTHING, cuz you can't do any of the restores to your phone - it has to be all new installs of apps.

    1) Reset phone back to factory settings Win 8.1 - DO NOT RESTORE
    2) Install Windows Insider Preview app and run and choose "Fast Ring"
    3) When it reboots it will install Win10 Build 10572 - DO NOT RESTORE
    4) RESET to factory settings AGAIN - YES - Reset Windows 10 to factory settings
    5) When phone finishes and reboots, reinstall Windows Insider Preview app and run, choose "Fast Ring" again
    6) Phone reboots again and installs Windows Insider Preview version of OS
    7) You should now be on Windows 10 Insider Preview Edition Build 10572 in factory settings.
    8) You can now put all your files and folders back on the phone.
    9) MANUALLY reinstall all apps from the store
    10) Enjoy VERY LOW battery usage, cool phone, smooth apps, no crashes, etc., etc.

    NOTE: While you are installing apps, updating phone, etc, the phone will be warm to hot, but that is because you are working the processor and antennas A LOT! Once you have all apps installed, updates finished, etc, you will be VERY HAPPY with your Lumia Icon on Win10 Build 10572!
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    10-21-2015 02:10 PM
  7. jmagwp's Avatar
    I just did a quick search and as of 3Q2014 Verizon had 44% of the US market. That's close enough to half for me.
    10-21-2015 02:35 PM
  8. jmagwp's Avatar
    Since when does Verizon have half or more of the total US wireless market? Not to mention you STILL have to battle the reps in store to actually buy a WP device. Seems this is yet another example of people blowing the importance of Verizon waaaaay out of proportion....
    I just did a quick search and as of 3Q2014 Verizon had 44% of the US market. That's close enough to half for me.
    10-21-2015 02:37 PM
  9. garak0410's Avatar
    FYI, W10 Build 10572 works GREAT on my Lumia Icon now, but there is a trick on how to make it work, and it's rather lengthy, but my Lumia Icon now works better then Win8.1 did. You'll also want to back up EVERYTHING, cuz you can't do any of the restores to your phone - it has to be all new installs of apps.

    1) Reset phone back to factory settings Win 8.1 - DO NOT RESTORE
    2) Install Windows Insider Preview app and run and choose "Fast Ring"
    3) When it reboots it will install Win10 Build 10572 - DO NOT RESTORE
    4) RESET to factory settings AGAIN - YES - Reset Windows 10 to factory settings
    5) When phone finishes and reboots, reinstall Windows Insider Preview app and run, choose "Fast Ring" again
    6) Phone reboots again and installs Windows Insider Preview version of OS
    7) You should now be on Windows 10 Insider Preview Edition Build 10572 in factory settings.
    8) You can now put all your files and folders back on the phone.
    9) MANUALLY reinstall all apps from the store
    10) Enjoy VERY LOW battery usage, cool phone, smooth apps, no crashes, etc., etc.

    NOTE: While you are installing apps, updating phone, etc, the phone will be warm to hot, but that is because you are working the processor and antennas A LOT! Once you have all apps installed, updates finished, etc, you will be VERY HAPPY with your Lumia Icon on Win10 Build 10572!
    Excellent...this will help others...I've actually done this every time with builds. I did the same with 10572. I've left it idle for 2 hours and it is down to 77%. Perhaps it is still doing some post install chatter. (and this a less than a month old, New ICON.) I am still very much testing Windows 10 on my ICON but at the moment, Note 5 is my daily driver.
    10-21-2015 02:41 PM
  10. Brett Sites's Avatar
    I did this last night the first time and not all of my texts downloaded, but everything worked great. I did it again, only doing a restore on the last process, and still missing all texts since July 2014. Calling Microsoft tonight to see if they can get my text messages back and then going thru the same process you outlined...again. :) I am enjoying this new build a LOT more than the previous ones!
    10-21-2015 02:53 PM
  11. Clockwork_Mechanic's Avatar
    I don't have my texts either. Other people are having this issue as well. I was very sad when I found that out. ):
    10-21-2015 03:37 PM
  12. Brett Sites's Avatar
    Any word on a resolution for this or what people are doing to fix this? Really want those text messages back.
    10-21-2015 03:49 PM
  13. ksj1's Avatar
    Mine didn't come back for some time under 10549, but they eventually did. Just took a lot of time. You might check in the Store under Downloads and updates and make sure an install isn't stuck. That appeared to be what slowed mine down.
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    10-21-2015 04:32 PM
  14. oldpueblo's Avatar
    What is the benefit of not just stopping at 4? I get resetting after you've updated to 10, but why then not restore your backup once you have a completely clean 10 image? Why join the preview again, it seems redundant. And if you don't restore a backup, you don't get your texts back. If you do restore, it can take hours for them to filter back in since they come back in chunks. I usually don't mess with my phone while I let them complete.

    Also you can go to texts and settings and select how far back to restore from in 8.1, I assume that still exists in 10.
    10-21-2015 05:19 PM
  15. MikeSo's Avatar
    And if you don't restore a backup, you don't get your texts back.
    Yes you do. The phone backup is independent from the Messaging backup. You will get SMS messages back even if you start with a fresh install, provided you turn on Syncing in Messaging settings.
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    10-21-2015 05:24 PM
  16. Brett Sites's Avatar
    Actually, you get your text back (or are supposed to) simply by going into Messaging and Settings and selecting Download from Any Time. That has nothing to do with restoring a backup. I tried both last night to the same text results. I have usually done the clean install method and until last night had all my texts.
    10-21-2015 05:25 PM
  17. MikeSo's Avatar
    Any word on a resolution for this or what people are doing to fix this? Really want those text messages back.
    They came back after a day or so. I turned off syncing and rebooted, and then turned on. Also changed the time period a few times. Don't know if that was what did it, but the next day everything was back. I wouldn't worry, just let it do its thing. It did take longer than it has taken before, though.
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    10-21-2015 05:25 PM
  18. Brett Sites's Avatar
    I do have 3 updates stuck. Voicemail (Verizon's POS), which always gets stuck and never updates. Lumia Help & Tips, this is the first time it's been stuck. Motion Data, this is the first time it's gotten stuck.

    Just turned off syncing and rebooted. Going to see if your trick works.
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    10-21-2015 05:31 PM
  19. to_be_announced's Avatar
    Boy, this thread is pretty off topic now. You guys should take this "update to WM10 on your Icon" convo to a different thread.
    10-21-2015 06:11 PM
  20. Generalheed's Avatar
    Boy, this thread is pretty off topic now. You guys should take this "update to WM10 on your Icon" convo to a different thread.
    Best to wait for the 950 to be released first to see if anyone is willing to attempt to try to make that phone work on Verizon somehow.
    10-21-2015 08:45 PM
  21. Zalcron's Avatar
    That's an interesting idea for a workaround. I actually have a Nano and microsim of the same number (don't ask me how) if I could try it on 950 I would love to try it.
    This is why I don't understand why everyone is still up in arms about this. it will work. I walked into a Verizon store and they refused to switch it around so I had to get creative. When the nexus 6 came out they didn't have it in their system and they said it wouldn't activate. did my work around, and it worked flawlessly DESPITE being a phone they never offered for over 6 MONTHS after I activated mine. even had VoLTE working
    10-21-2015 10:59 PM
  22. goodsit2's Avatar
    This is why I don't understand why everyone is still up in arms about this. it will work. I walked into a Verizon store and they refused to switch it around so I had to get creative. When the nexus 6 came out they didn't have it in their system and they said it wouldn't activate. did my work around, and it worked flawlessly DESPITE being a phone they never offered for over 6 MONTHS after I activated mine. even had VoLTE working
    You are assuming that the phones have access to the CDMA firmware. This has not been confirmed, and so far has been pointing to not having access (webcasts/news articles/Microsoft tech specs).

    I should also add, while I hope that VoLTE will be its savior, so far only Verizon and AT&T can talk internetwork. Otherwise, VoLTE on Verizon only works with others who have VoLTE enabled on Verizon (my understanding).
    Last edited by goodsit2; 10-22-2015 at 02:53 AM.
    10-22-2015 12:42 AM
  23. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Best to wait for the 950 to be released first to see if anyone is willing to attempt to try to make that phone work on Verizon somehow.
    Already been tested with a 950XL, look back a handful of pages....It was on REDDIT, they put in a VZW SIM and it did nothing.

    Hackers have been trying this for YEARS NOW, there is no way unlock a Band on modern phones...

    Unless Microsoft opens then up or VZW and MS makes a partnership in some way, there is no way in it's current form that they 950XL will work on Verizon wireless...
    10-22-2015 06:15 AM
  24. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Already been tested with a 950XL, look back a handful of pages....It was on REDDIT, they put in a VZW SIM and it did nothing.

    Hackers have been trying this for YEARS NOW, there is no way unlock a Band on modern phones...

    Unless Microsoft opens then up or VZW and MS makes a partnership in some way, there is no way in it's current form that they 950XL will work on Verizon wireless...
    It has been speculated that the samples in the stores won't work with ANY SIM because it would violate some regulations since the phone hasn't passed certification. In other words, MS may have the SIM slots disabled for now. That MIGHT be why the Verizon SIM doesn't work. Not saying I believe that but its possible.

    Bands can be unlocked in modern phones. It depends on why and how they were locked. There is a thread in the forums describing how to turn on T-Mobile bands on AT&T Lumia 1520s.
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    10-22-2015 08:02 AM
  25. tgp's Avatar
    Otherwise, VoLTE on Verizon only works with others who have VoLTE enabled on Verizon (my understanding).
    I don't follow 100% what you're saying here, but I'm on Verizon with a Nexus 6 I bought directly from Motorola. VoLTE works fine. I turned it on in my Verizon account, and it automatically activated on my phone.

    Hackers have been trying this for YEARS NOW, there is no way unlock a Band on modern phones...
    That is probably true in most cases, but not across the board. When the Nexus 4 was released in 2012, it did not have LTE, at least not the US version. It had the hardware for it, but it was disabled, at least partly because it had not been certified by the FCC for LTE. A mod that enabled LTE was quickly found, and many users enjoyed it on their phones.
    10-22-2015 08:18 AM
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