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  1. Generalheed's Avatar
    I don't follow 100% what you're saying here, but I'm on Verizon with a Nexus 6 I bought directly from Motorola. VoLTE works fine. I turned it on in my Verizon account, and it automatically activated on my phone.



    That is probably true in most cases, but not across the board. When the Nexus 4 was released in 2012, it did not have LTE, at least not the US version. It had the hardware for it, but it was disabled, at least partly because it had not been certified by the FCC for LTE. A mod that enabled LTE was quickly found, and many users enjoyed it on their phones.
    The problem with that is such a mod to enable CDMA on the 950 would basically require a firmware update from Microsoft. It's unlikely the Windows Phone platform is open enough for hackers or developers to be able to enable the CDMA radio like they could on Android. I could be totally wrong though and may end up being surprised. However, another issue is that it appears Verizon is proactively blocking any 950 they detect on their network, so even if you could enable the CDMA bands, Verizon might still block access.
    Laura Knotek, tgp and aximtreo like this.
    10-22-2015 08:04 AM
  2. mjperry51's Avatar
    That is probably true in most cases, but not across the board. When the Nexus 4 was released in 2012, it did not have LTE, at least not the US version. It had the hardware for it, but it was disabled, at least partly because it had not been certified by the FCC for LTE. A mod that enabled LTE was quickly found, and many users enjoyed it on their phones.
    All well and good for an Android device (roots, mods, etc. welcome). Such flexibility is not an option on Windows Phone -- Apples and oranges. . .
    tgp and 920Walker like this.
    10-22-2015 11:00 AM
  3. MiloTheOne's Avatar
    If the phone is unlocked, can't someone go into the settings and just add the apn settings needed to work on a network?
    10-22-2015 11:19 AM
  4. pjm1891's Avatar
    If the phone is unlocked, can't someone go into the settings and just add the apn settings needed to work on a network?
    Doesn't work that way. APN has nothing to do with the bands in the phone.
    10-22-2015 11:38 AM
  5. psurob55's Avatar
    I can't believe this thread still has traction. It's not going to happen unless Microsoft AND verizon decide to let it happen.
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    10-22-2015 12:08 PM
  6. chasvs's Avatar
    I can't believe this thread still has traction. It's not going to happen unless Microsoft AND verizon decide to let it happen.
    I guess for some people Hope Springs Eternal!

    But for me, I'm resigned to the FACT that this isn't going to happen. I am now hoping that a Surface Phone is released early next year and available on VZW!!!
    10-22-2015 12:47 PM
  7. to_be_announced's Avatar
    I guess for some people Hope Springs Eternal!

    But for me, I'm resigned to the FACT that this isn't going to happen. I am now hoping that a Surface Phone is released early next year and available on VZW!!!
    Why do you think you know it's a FACT? It's pretty much a forgone conclusion that the phone has the hardware to support CDMA. Just need a 3rd party to certify it. Whether Microsoft does that or not is another question.

    The fact that this thread still has traction should show everyone, including MSFT and VZW, how many people there are that want these phones on the CDMA network.
    Charles Brown8 likes this.
    10-22-2015 01:02 PM
  8. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Wow! This this thread is a lot like the "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" thread.
    10-22-2015 01:45 PM
  9. goodsit2's Avatar
    I don't follow 100% what you're saying here, but I'm on Verizon with a Nexus 6 I bought directly from Motorola. VoLTE works fine. I turned it on in my Verizon account, and it automatically activated on my phone.
    My understandings of their VoLTE is such. If you are a Verizon customer, you can only make VoLTE calls to other customers on Verizon who have VoLTE enabled or AT&T customers as of recently.

    The reason you can make calls to others is not because of VoLTE, but because you have CDMA as well. VoLTE is a bonus you sometimes have access.

    Verizon can't switch between VoLTE and CDMA without dropping the call and you redialing.
    aximtreo and tgp like this.
    10-22-2015 02:15 PM
  10. miraidave's Avatar
    I just wanted to make my first post and chime in on this discussion, since I am also a Verizon user and found some semi-related information.

    There were some people on other forums that made the assumption that Verizon would get the Lumia 550 because the 950 and 950 XL currently doesn't support CDMA or Band 13. The new FCC documents for the Lumia 550 (RM-1128) just came up today on their database [I can't post links because this is my first post]. They show that the devices only have only been tested for GSM 850/1900 WCDMA band 5, 4, 2 and LTE band 12, 17, 5, 4, 2, and 7. Therefore, the 550 will not work on a CDMA service provider.

    It might also be important to note that the Lumia 550 has a Snapdragon 210 processor that theoretically can support all bands and protocols including CDMA, just like the 810 and 808 processors. The date of the SAR Compliance Test for the RM-1128 was Aug 21, 2015 and it was submitted to the FCC on Oct 20, 2015. Therefore, it seems that at least until 2 days ago, Microsoft has no plans to sell the 550 unlocked to support Verizon or Sprint (or didn't want to redo the test). Now, this doesn't mean that this will also be the case for the 950 and 950 XL, since the sales from these higher end devices would probably offfset the cost of the CDMA testing and licensing more than the 550 would. However, I was hoping to see the 550 certified for CDMA, which would give us Verizon users some hope that the 950's would be as well. It would have also been nice to see a new lower end Lumia compatible for Verizon and Sprint, for those that are interested.

    So far, the FCC documents for the 950 and 950 XL still have not shown up, which I find strange, since they are to be released before the 550...
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    10-22-2015 02:33 PM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    My understandings of their VoLTE is such. If you are a Verizon customer, you can only make VoLTE calls to other customers on Verizon who have VoLTE enabled or AT&T customers as of recently.

    The reason you can make calls to others is not because of VoLTE, but because you have CDMA as well. VoLTE is a bonus you sometimes have access.

    Verizon can't switch between VoLTE and CDMA without dropping the call and you redialing.
    I don't know all the specifics of VoLTE. I don't use my phone much for calling. I seldom use more than 100 minutes/month, usually more like 50 minutes. Since activating VoLTE, my data stays connected while in a voice call, which is probably its biggest benefit to CDMA users. In fact, AT&T used to advertise this feature, which was a benefit they had over Verizon.
    aximtreo likes this.
    10-22-2015 03:07 PM
  12. akki20892's Avatar
    best suggestion:
    f*ck verizon, and switch to att......

    GSM everywhere........
    theefman and MoeJ like this.
    10-22-2015 10:53 PM
  13. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    I just wanted to make my first post and chime in on this discussion, since I am also a Verizon user and found some semi-related information.

    ...

    The new FCC documents for the Lumia 550 (RM-1128) just came up today on their database [I can't post links because this is my first post]. They show that the devices only have only been tested for GSM 850/1900 WCDMA band 5, 4, 2 and LTE band 12, 17, 5, 4, 2, and 7. Therefore, the 550 will not work on a CDMA service provider.
    https://fccid.io/PYARM-1128
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    10-22-2015 10:56 PM
  14. dkediger's Avatar
    best suggestion:
    f*ck verizon, and switch to att......

    GSM everywhere........
    If only that were remotely accurate. It may be utilized by carriers everywhere, but that's not the same thing as signal everywhere. I invite you to come visit me and demonstrate GSM everywhere....
    to_be_announced likes this.
    10-23-2015 12:02 AM
  15. libra89's Avatar
    Thank you for the link. Not related to the thread, but very good to know that it will be sold here after all. On topic, it really looks like these phones are just for gsm, why is there a debate?
    TexasLabRat likes this.
    10-23-2015 07:32 AM
  16. Jesse Sasso's Avatar
    Thank you for the link. Not related to the thread, but very good to know that it will be sold here after all. On topic, it really looks like these phones are just for gsm, why is there a debate?
    There's only a discussion because many Verizon customers, like myself, would like to stick with Windows Phone and have options next year. I got my Icon the week of it's release and it's contract is over in April or May. If the 950 or 950xl don't work unlocked with Verizon, I'm having to wait until a CDMA enabled phone is released. And preferably, I'd like a Windows Phone with a 5.5-5.7" screen with high-end properties/functions, a rare sight besides exclusives in this US Carrier.
    10-23-2015 08:42 AM
  17. sprtfan's Avatar
    Thank you for the link. Not related to the thread, but very good to know that it will be sold here after all. On topic, it really looks like these phones are just for gsm, why is there a debate?
    As Miraidave said, it is odd that the FCC documents for the 950 and 950 XL still have not shown up since they are to be released before the 550. I think that there is still potential that things just are decided yet and MS is may still weighing its options. I think they'd prefer a 3rd party to step in and offer some strong options on Verizon and that maybe in the works. If it doesn't pan out, they may end up releasing the 950/950XL in a form that will work with Verizon. I think that the one thing for sure is that Verizon themselves will not carry the phone. From Microsofts stand point, they'd rather have a 3rd party with Windows 10 mobile have a presense in store and available directly from Verizon. Long story short, I don't think somethings are set in stone yet and only time will tell.
    libra89 likes this.
    10-23-2015 09:30 AM
  18. dksf42's Avatar
    As Miraidave said, it is odd that the FCC documents for the 950 and 950 XL still have not shown up since they are to be released before the 550. I think that there is still potential that things just are decided yet and MS is may still weighing its options. I think they'd prefer a 3rd party to step in and offer some strong options on Verizon and that maybe in the works. If it doesn't pan out, they may end up releasing the 950/950XL in a form that will work with Verizon. I think that the one thing for sure is that Verizon themselves will not carry the phone. From Microsofts stand point, they'd rather have a 3rd party with Windows 10 mobile have a presense in store and available directly from Verizon. Long story short, I don't think somethings are set in stone yet and only time will tell.
    Is this true = no FCC certification for the 950XL and 950 as of 10-24-2015 = 16 days after the big Microsoft announcements?
    10-24-2015 09:57 AM
  19. dksf42's Avatar
    While someone stated that they believe that the 950XL and 950 "may be a repeat of Microsoft Surface RT debacle", feel that this article about what Satya Nadella has to say is more accurate !

    The Lumia 950 and 950 XL are Microsoft's 'Colorful iMacs' | Windows Central
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    10-25-2015 11:29 AM
  20. DavidinCT's Avatar
    As Miraidave said, it is odd that the FCC documents for the 950 and 950 XL still have not shown up since they are to be released before the 550. I think that there is still potential that things just are decided yet and MS is may still weighing its options..
    It's sad to say but, when it was on display, it CLEARLY said "Not for CDMA carriers" on the sign. I would put that at a very high chance that Microsoft is not going to release a unlocked version with CDMA bands enabled on it..

    Now, unless they are working something out with Verizon (under the radar) and will release a 949XL (929/930), then we might see it..
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    10-25-2015 03:46 PM
  21. tale 85's Avatar
    It's sad to say but, when it was on display, it CLEARLY said "Not for CDMA carriers" on the sign. I would put that at a very high chance that Microsoft is not going to release a unlocked version with CDMA bands enabled on it..

    Now, unless they are working something out with Verizon (under the radar) and will release a 949XL (929/930), then we might see it..
    You saw the flying pigs?
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    10-25-2015 03:58 PM
  22. DavidinCT's Avatar
    You saw the flying pigs?
    Look over it....
    114195d1444701442t-wp_20151012_002.jpg

    Zoomed in

    950xl-zoom.jpg

    Not the clearest picture from Zooming in but, it does clearly say "Phone will not work with CDMA carriers"

    Proof that in it's current form, the 950XL does not or will work with Verizon....

    Not sure Microsoft would print up all this custom stuff if it was going to change. I would almost put a large sum of money, when the 950/950XL FCC documents hit, they will still show the same thing as before with NO support for Verizon's bands.

    I want this phone on Verizon as much as the next person but, sitting in here saying it's coming or there is a high chance, your just going to get yourself very disappointed.

    Finally a flagship phone worth talking about and rave over and the largest carrier in the US will not get access to it. What is wrong with this picture ?
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    10-25-2015 08:54 PM
  23. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Finally a flagship phone worth talking about and rave over and the largest carrier in the US will not get access to it. What is wrong with this picture ?
    The missing piece of the puzzle that no one on this site seems to be talking about. Vzw might be the largest carrier in the US, but they are not carrying their own weight when it comes to supporting the platform.


    adduplex-windows-phone-statistics-report-september-2015-9-638.jpg


    When you look at what networks are actually seeing Windows Phone active on their network in the US, Vzw isn't the strongest. If they have the most subscribers it doesn't reflect into the most WP in public use by a long way.

    ATT and Cricket (an ATT owned mvno) account for 51% of WP active devices in the US. T-Mo and Metro PCS (a T-Mo owned mvno) account for 22% of WP units in use in the US. Vzw is all the way down at 12.4%.

    If most users are getting their phones carrier branded, Vzw is clearly failing to support the platform...

    AdDuplex Windows Phone Device Statistics Report for September, 2015
    10-25-2015 09:45 PM
  24. DavidinCT's Avatar
    The missing piece of the puzzle that no one on this site seems to be talking about. Vzw might be the largest carrier in the US, but they are not carrying their own weight when it comes to supporting the platform.
    Still, yea, only 12.4% but still a strong part of the market. If Microsoft promotes it right (it needs a whole new angle to promote Windows Phone), these flagships should be accessable by all carriers.

    So, Microsoft does this major promotion on these reallly innovative flagships, some apple or android users are a little interested and want to check it out, they go to their chosen provider and they cant even get the phone shown, so they get pushed back to their last phone brand. What good is this for Windows Phone ?

    This is what Microsoft needed in the marketplace, a phone that people could see and go WOW, it can do that ? Something they have not had yet. This could be the phone that does this.

    If you had 50% of the marketplace, you CAN BE this way against carriers (like Apple did) but when your hanging around 3.5%, you really cant afford to do this.

    Deep down in side, I dont think Windows Phone will ever be 40% of the marketplace(unless Apple STOPS selling phones for some reason) but, there is room for 15-20% as a 3rd option. This is what Microsoft's goal should be, not to go head to head but, to go side by side with them. The ONLY way to do this is to make sure their phones are available on every carrier possable.

    WIndows Phone is losing money for Microsoft, knowing Microsoft's history very well, it could be the nail that kills Windows Phone for good. Unless something comes forward that makes WP profitable in some way, it will go away.

    We all should want it across all carriers, even if we are not using them, more people that buy, more apps, more support by Microsoft and better support/phones. A win, win for WP fans...
    10-26-2015 07:45 AM
  25. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I'm just saying that the loss of Verizon carrying the 950 or 950 XL is not the impact that people make it out to be.... It's not negligible, but it does not near the significance implied by repeatedly saying, "the phones won't be on the largest US carrier." It isn't a potential loss of 1/2, 1/3 or even 1/4 of American users, statistically it is just 1/8.

    T-Mo by itself (even as the 3rd largest US carrier) represents a more significant loss and when you add in Metro PCS you are now at nearly double the loss represented by Verizon and T-Mobile's track record with Windows Phone offerings and support is known to be abysmal.

    I find this sobering in light of how many claim Verizon is such a powerhouse of support and potential for Windows Phone.
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    10-26-2015 10:23 AM
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