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  1. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    NAM signifies North AMerica.
    11-05-2015 03:02 PM
  2. PuckCowboy's Avatar
    NAM signifies North AMerica.
    Hmmm... this might lead one to believe this could work on Verizon if you are willing to just rely on LTE only (and they activate it). But the lack of actual CDMA radio listings is odd and would make the phone close to useless anywhere you cant get at least 1 bar of LTE.
    11-05-2015 03:37 PM
  3. Generalheed's Avatar
    Hmmm... this might lead one to believe this could work on Verizon if you are willing to just rely on LTE only (and they activate it). But the lack of actual CDMA radio listings is odd and would make the phone close to useless anywhere you cant get at least 1 bar of LTE.
    Well, Verizon was planning to transition to an LTE-only network pretty soon anyways. So it's not the worst thing.
    11-05-2015 05:14 PM
  4. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    i saw that the FCC approved the 950 single sim 11/5/2015 (yesterday) - it is the PYA-RM1105, with the dual SIM being PYA-RM1104:

    https://fccid.io/PYARM-1105

    in the test reports, Band 13 (LTE750) is listed, but there are no CDMA frequencies
    Also, the 1105 appears to be the AT&T-specific version as the user manual mentions AT&T and AT&T's support site.

    AT&T provides detailed support info, including

    device specifications, troubleshooting, and user

    forums, at https://www.att.com/devicehowto/index.html.
    11-05-2015 06:14 PM
  5. Bobvfr's Avatar
    So just how far have we got with this thread, any conclusions
    11-05-2015 08:09 PM
  6. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Well, Verizon was planning to transition to an LTE-only network pretty soon anyways. So it's not the worst thing.
    Sure, but, unless you live in the BIG CITY and ONLY stay in the BIG CITY, it's the only way it would be nice. Have you ever gone on a trip with your Verizon phone and while someone else was driving, for like 10-15 miles watch your signal meter on your phone? You will see, LTE, 3G, LTE 3G, 3G, 1X, 3G, LTE.... Very rare that you are 100% LTE when moving long distances, meaning Verizon depends on their large 3G network to fill the "gaps"

    So, in a nut shell, unless your in a MAJOR city, with LTE ONLY, Verizon would be worse than the worst carrier you have ever seen, you could be dropping calls left and right...

    A full LTE, all across the US....10-15 years away (and by then LTE will be outdated)

    Although it would be an option, I stick with Verizon because of the awesome coverage, If I was going to a LTE ONLY phone and degrade my service coverage area, I might as well go to AT&T and get the 950XL, the phone I really want....

    Think about it...


    So just how far have we got with this thread, any conclusions
    In a nut shell, No the 950XL wont work on Verizon, unless Verizon's plan is to come out with a 949XL (no solid rumor), the 950 has the Band 13 700mhz on the NAM version, it's POSSABLE, that could work on Verizon's LTE ONLY network, that opens it's own problems, that is if Verizon would even activate it on their network.

    So, Officially or un-officially, No 950/950XL on Verizon at this point...
    11-05-2015 08:28 PM
  7. Generalheed's Avatar
    Sure, but, unless you live in the BIG CITY and ONLY stay in the BIG CITY, it's the only way it would be nice. Have you ever gone on a trip with your Verizon phone and while someone else was driving, for like 10-15 miles watch your signal meter on your phone? You will see, LTE, 3G, LTE 3G, 3G, 1X, 3G, LTE.... Very rare that you are 100% LTE when moving long distances, meaning Verizon depends on their large 3G network to fill the "gaps"

    So, in a nut shell, unless your in a MAJOR city, with LTE ONLY, Verizon would be worse than the worst carrier you have ever seen, you could be dropping calls left and right...

    A full LTE, all across the US....10-15 years away (and by then LTE will be outdated)

    Although it would be an option, I stick with Verizon because of the awesome coverage, If I was going to a LTE ONLY phone and degrade my service coverage area, I might as well go to AT&T and get the 950XL, the phone I really want....

    Think about it...




    In a nut shell, No the 950XL wont work on Verizon, unless Verizon's plan is to come out with a 949XL (no solid rumor), the 950 has the Band 13 700mhz on the NAM version, it's POSSABLE, that could work on Verizon's LTE ONLY network, that opens it's own problems, that is if Verizon would even activate it on their network.

    So, Officially or un-officially, No 950/950XL on Verizon at this point...
    Going by Verizon's LTE coverage map, I'd say as long as you're basically in any kind of town, not just city, you should be ok with LTE-only. Perhaps on the country side you'll have some problems. Or if you live in the rocky mountains. I guess it depends on what people are willing to sacrifice at this point.

    I'm confused about the bands, I know Band 13 is Verizon, but Verizon also supports Band 2 and 4 which the 950 has had from the start, why couldn't those have been used? I talked to the manager at my local Verizon store the other day and he did say they'd be happy to activate any unlocked phone on their network.
    11-05-2015 09:13 PM
  8. mjperry51's Avatar
    Going by Verizon's LTE coverage map, I'd say as long as you're basically in any kind of town, not just city, you should be ok with LTE-only. Perhaps on the country side you'll have some problems. Or if you live in the rocky mountains. I guess it depends on what people are willing to sacrifice at this point.

    I'm confused about the bands, I know Band 13 is Verizon, but Verizon also supports Band 2 and 4 which the 950 has had from the start, why couldn't those have been used? I talked to the manager at my local Verizon store the other day and he did say they'd be happy to activate any unlocked phone on their network.
    Bands are frequencies; CDMA/GSM are protocols. The bottom line is you could have both GMS and CDMA based phones operating in the same frequency -- in fact that's just what happens.

    Unless the CDMA or GSM codecs (the hardware/software that encodes and decodes the modulation scheme used by the different modes) are present, it doesn't matter what bands/frequencies are available in the phone.

    Think of it this way -- GMS = German and CDMA = Chinese. They can use the same frequency; they can't communicate with each other. . .
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    11-06-2015 09:22 AM
  9. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    Bands are frequencies; CDMA/GSM are protocols. The bottom line is you could have both GMS and CDMA based phones operating in the same frequency -- in fact that's just what happens.

    Unless the CDMA or GSM codecs (the hardware/software that encodes and decodes the modulation scheme used by the different modes) are present, it doesn't matter what bands/frequencies are available in the phone.

    Think of it this way -- GMS = German and CDMA = Chinese. They can use the same frequency; they can't communicate with each other. . .

    The phone supports LTE on bands 2 and 4. Verizon has LTE deployments on bands 2 and 4. It's technically possible the 950XL could work if it had an activated SIM...though I don't know if the IMEI needs to also be whitelisted as well. That said, without band 13, the coverage would be no better than T-mobile from 2-3 years ago....so why not just move to T-mobile (and gain Band 12 access in the process) or ATT (and gain Bands 5 & 17)?
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    11-06-2015 10:48 AM
  10. Generalheed's Avatar
    Bands are frequencies; CDMA/GSM are protocols. The bottom line is you could have both GMS and CDMA based phones operating in the same frequency -- in fact that's just what happens.

    Unless the CDMA or GSM codecs (the hardware/software that encodes and decodes the modulation scheme used by the different modes) are present, it doesn't matter what bands/frequencies are available in the phone.

    Think of it this way -- GMS = German and CDMA = Chinese. They can use the same frequency; they can't communicate with each other. . .
    Thanks for the explanation but I already knew the differences between GSM and CDMA. I was just wondering what the big deal about LTE Band 13 was when Verizon already supports Bands 2 and 4 which the Lumia 950 does support. But the other person did clarify that without Band 13, Verizon's coverage wouldn't be what it is today.
    11-06-2015 01:03 PM
  11. jmajid's Avatar
    Thanks for the explanation but I already knew the differences between GSM and CDMA. I was just wondering what the big deal about LTE Band 13 was when Verizon already supports Bands 2 and 4 which the Lumia 950 does support. But the other person did clarify that without Band 13, Verizon's coverage wouldn't be what it is today.
    LTE Bands 2 and 4 are higher frequencies (1900 and 1700/2100MHz)
    Band 13 is 700MHz (or 750MHz depending on what you read)

    The lower frequencies allow the signal to penetrate buildings better...
    Thats also the claim from TMo about their Band 12 (700MHz)
    11-06-2015 01:39 PM
  12. anywhereanytime's Avatar
    In a nut shell, No the 950XL wont work on Verizon, unless Verizon's plan is to come out with a 949XL (no solid rumor), the 950 has the Band 13 700mhz on the NAM version, it's POSSABLE, that could work on Verizon's LTE ONLY network, that opens it's own problems, that is if Verizon would even activate it on their network.

    So, Officially or un-officially, No 950/950XL on Verizon at this point...
    OR, perhaps the datasheet "failed to list CDMA" = highly unlikely = OR, perhaps the CDMA "testing is NOT complete" - or even started?

    All I know is that "the keen eye of the poster above" caught for the FIRST TIME in 34 pages of posts =

    That "magical listing of Band 13 and 700MHz" + potentially NAM = North American Market!

    Doesn't that alone raise hope?
    11-06-2015 05:21 PM
  13. mjperry51's Avatar
    The phone supports LTE on bands 2 and 4. Verizon has LTE deployments on bands 2 and 4. It's technically possible the 950XL could work if it had an activated SIM...though I don't know if the IMEI needs to also be whitelisted as well. That said, without band 13, the coverage would be no better than T-mobile from 2-3 years ago....so why not just move to T-mobile (and gain Band 12 access in the process) or ATT (and gain Bands 5 & 17)?
    Since the thread is about Verizon support of the 950, that's what I was responding to. . .
    11-07-2015 08:48 AM
  14. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    Since the thread is about Verizon support of the 950, that's what I was responding to. . .
    Well, the thread is actually about the 950XL support on Verizon, which I was clarifying based on the question regarding Band 2 and Band 4. But the pertinent issue is the same for both. The 950/950XL phones support LTE on 2 and 4. Verizon has LTE deployments on 2 and 4. The phones are compatible with Verizon's services (not necessarily nation-wide, but still) from a technology point of view.
    11-07-2015 12:23 PM
  15. Steve Adams's Avatar
    11-08-2015 05:21 AM
  16. mjperry51's Avatar
    Well, the thread is actually about the 950XL support on Verizon, which I was clarifying based on the question regarding Band 2 and Band 4. But the pertinent issue is the same for both. The 950/950XL phones support LTE on 2 and 4. Verizon has LTE deployments on 2 and 4. The phones are compatible with Verizon's services (not necessarily nation-wide, but still) from a technology point of view.
    They support the frequencies, and LTE -- not CDMA (voice/text). . .
    11-08-2015 09:12 AM
  17. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    They support the frequencies, and LTE -- not CDMA (voice/text). . .
    I understand that. Voice and SMS can be sent over LTE (IMS protocol overlay). That said, as I (as well as others) have mentioned a couple of times there may be other issues within Verizon's administration (whitelisting IMEI's, etc) that would ultimately affect the ability of the phones to be used on Verizon's network. I'm just commenting on the base technological compatibility factors.
    Last edited by TexasLabRat; 11-08-2015 at 01:59 PM.
    11-08-2015 01:10 PM
  18. Generalheed's Avatar
    I understand that. Voice and SMS can be sent over LTE (IMS protocol overlay). That said, as I (as well as others) have mentioned a couple of times there may be other issues within Verizon's administration (whitelisting IMEI's, etc) that would ultimately affect the ability of the phones to be used on Verizon's network. I'm just commenting on the base technological compatibility factors.
    Does Verizon even support VoLTE yet?
    11-08-2015 08:52 PM
  19. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    Does Verizon even support VoLTE yet?
    They rolled out their "Advanced Calling" in 2014.
    11-08-2015 08:58 PM
  20. Generalheed's Avatar
    They rolled out their "Advanced Calling" in 2014.
    Ah ok, I guess I never really noticed it. So then hypothetically, if we're able to activate the Lumia 950 on Verizon's network, we won't have a problem makes calls and texts without the CDMA signal?
    11-08-2015 09:04 PM
  21. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    Ah ok, I guess I never really noticed it. So then hypothetically, if we're able to activate the Lumia 950 on Verizon's network, we won't have a problem makes calls and texts without the CDMA signal?
    That's the theory, yes. That assumes that there are no administrative-level hurdles such as IMEI whitelisting etc that have to be overcome as well which are more business process things on Verizon's part. I don't have any experience in this area but the current thinking is that this might be a blocker even though the technology-layer stuff should work over LTE with an activated SIM.
    11-08-2015 09:06 PM
  22. Generalheed's Avatar
    That's the theory, yes. That assumes that there are no administrative-level hurdles such as IMEI whitelisting etc that have to be overcome as well which are more business process things on Verizon's part. I don't have any experience in this area but the current thinking is that this might be a blocker even though the technology-layer stuff should work over LTE with an activated SIM.
    Another thought I just had, Verizon has roaming agreements with the other major carriers. I'm on a business plan with Verizon where roaming is free for me. I don't think I've ever used it though cause I'm rarely out of Verizon's coverage. But knowing that, would it theoretically be possible to activate the 950 on Verizon and just basically roam on AT&T or T-Mobile's network whenever we're out of Verizon's LTE coverage?
    11-08-2015 09:14 PM
  23. TexasLabRat's Avatar
    Another thought I just had, Verizon has roaming agreements with the other major carriers. I'm on a business plan with Verizon where roaming is free for me. I don't think I've ever used it though cause I'm rarely out of Verizon's coverage. But knowing that, would it theoretically be possible to activate the 950 on Verizon and just basically roam on AT&T or T-Mobile's network whenever we're out of Verizon's LTE coverage?
    sounds plausible..though i know that t-mobile has geographic restrictions on where you can roam (can't roam inside the "home area"). No idea if Verizon has similar mechanisms.
    11-08-2015 09:22 PM
  24. Generalheed's Avatar
    sounds plausible..though i know that t-mobile has geographic restrictions on where you can roam (can't roam inside the "home area"). No idea if Verizon has similar mechanisms.
    I tried to look up Verizon's roaming policy but there doesn't really seem to be anything about it except that roaming is actually free on all Verizon plans now, not just my business plan. In T-Mobile's case, I remember the issue with their limited roaming is that Verizon and AT&T were apparently suspected of colluding together to raise their roaming charges on T-Mobile which forced T-Mobile to limit their roaming in order to maintain their unlimited plans.

    Anyways, I guess it all depends on whether the 950 can be activated on Verizon or not. It has all of Verizon's LTE bands now and thanks to free roaming, we should hopefully be able to make up for the lack of CDMA coverage using AT&T and T-Mobile's network. Those two carriers combined should be able to fill in any gaps from the lack of Verizon's 3G network.
    11-08-2015 09:37 PM
  25. OutlawFirebird's Avatar
    It will not work on Verizon. Even with an already active sim, the phone can't connect to the network, I believe people have tried using a Verizon sim in the demo units. If you took it to Verizon they would probably turn you away. From what I heard is that Verizon has to add it on there end so there system recognize it. But most of us know Verizon doesn't support the growth of windows.
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    11-09-2015 02:12 AM
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