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  1. maevinj's Avatar
    At least test your Verizon SIM in the phone first before switching carriers. Let us know your results.
    I don't think the sim from my 928 will fit into the 950XL?
    11-16-2015 01:47 PM
  2. garak0410's Avatar
    I don't think the sim from my 928 will fit into the 950XL?
    I believe you are correct...the one from the ICON might however. If an ICON user is going to test it.
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    11-16-2015 01:48 PM
  3. Generalheed's Avatar
    I believe you are correct...the one from the ICON might however. If an ICON user is going to test it.
    Well you can always ask Verizon to get you a new SIM and it wouldn't cost anything. That's what they had to do when I replaced my 928 with my current ICON... I'm not exactly in a position to just spend $600 on a 950 though without knowing for sure it will work on Verizon's network so unfortunately I can't be a test subject for this.
    11-16-2015 03:44 PM
  4. maevinj's Avatar
    Well you can always ask Verizon to get you a new SIM and it wouldn't cost anything. That's what they had to do when I replaced my 928 with my current ICON... I'm not exactly in a position to just spend $600 on a 950 though without knowing for sure it will work on Verizon's network so unfortunately I can't be a test subject for this.
    Well that's kind of the deal with the SIM. You need to have an active one to put into the 950XL to see if it will work on Verizon's network.. I can't get a new one that fits the 950XL because I won't be able to activate it..
    11-16-2015 03:50 PM
  5. Generalheed's Avatar
    Well that's kind of the deal with the SIM. You need to have an active one to put into the 950XL to see if it will work on Verizon's network.. I can't get a new one that fits the 950XL because I won't be able to activate it..
    Well I acquired my ICON independently of Verizon and simply asked them to send me a new SIM that would fit my device. They mailed me an activated SIM and all I had to do was put it into my ICON. The new SIM had all the same info from my previous SIM. I guess if they did ask you why you need a new SIM, you could tell them you're switching to an ICON. But usually they probably won't make a fuss.

    Or quite simply, you could just ask Verizon to try to activate the 950 for you directly. My local Verizon store manager told me they'd be happy to try to activate any unlocked phone I bring to them. Since you already have an account with Verizon, they'd pre-activate a SIM card for you like I mentioned above and putting it in the 950 will determine if it works or not.
    11-16-2015 03:53 PM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    Aside from the lack of CDMA support, the 950 has everything else you need to be on Verizon.
    Hmmm, isn't this kind of like someone saying that aside from the lack of a transmission, their car has everything it needs to drive down the road?
    11-16-2015 04:23 PM
  7. Generalheed's Avatar
    Hmmm, isn't this kind of like someone saying that aside from the lack of a transmission, their car has everything it needs to drive down the road?
    No not exactly, as was discussed a couple pages back, Verizon is phasing out their CDMA network in the very near future for an LTE-only network. They've already rolled out their VoLTE service which lets you make calls and texts over LTE. Since the 950 supports LTE Bands 2, 4, and 13, it supports all of Verizon's LTE network. Plus, you can already activate LTE-only tablets on Verizon's network. Therefore, the lack of CDMA probably isn't as big of a deal as you'd think. And if you really need 3G, Verizon has roaming agreements with the other major GSM carriers so you should be able to use AT&T and T-Mobile's networks to fill in any gaps in the coverage from the lack of CDMA.
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    11-16-2015 07:05 PM
  8. DavidinCT's Avatar
    No not exactly, as was discussed a couple pages back, Verizon is phasing out their CDMA network in the very near future for an LTE-only network. They've already rolled out their VoLTE service which lets you make calls and texts over LTE. Since the 950 supports LTE Bands 2, 4, and 13, it supports all of Verizon's LTE network. Plus, you can already activate LTE-only tablets on Verizon's network. Therefore, the lack of CDMA probably isn't as big of a deal as you'd think. And if you really need 3G, Verizon has roaming agreements with the other major GSM carriers so you should be able to use AT&T and T-Mobile's networks to fill in any gaps in the coverage from the lack of CDMA.
    And you can read a few pages back. Unless you live in the BIG CITY and dont go near the subs or travel out of the city, this might work ok.

    Verizon has the largest network because it depends on it's 3g network. So if you were to go to a LTE only phone and travel any bit, it would be worse than TMOUS in a bad area.

    I go with Verizon because of their coverage range, When I want to make a call, or browse the web, I can do it almost anywhere. If I am going to take a major hit on coverage for a LTE only phone, I might as well cancel Verizon and move with AT&T...

    Travel on the highway for about 15 miles, watching your signal metter on your phone and you will see what I mean, LTE, 3g, 1X, LTE, LTE, 3G.... Yea, it's that bad in most areas but, if you were on a phone call, you would NOT lose your call.

    Verizon's 100% LTE network is not going to be done till about 2020 if not longer (by then the 5g network will be available)

    Would love to see if it actually works but, with knowing this fact, I would not buy one unless it has 3G/CDMA support on it for the fringe areas. This is where Verizon does best and your losing it by dropping CMDA support...and would not spend $650 on a TEST....

    That is if verizon will even allow it on their network (sticking a SIM in wont help if there is a block because of no CDMA support)....

    A tablet is one thing...but, a PHONE is a totally different thing on this aspect..
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    11-17-2015 08:38 AM
  9. Generalheed's Avatar
    And you can read a few pages back. Unless you live in the BIG CITY and dont go near the subs or travel out of the city, this might work ok.

    Verizon has the largest network because it depends on it's 3g network. So if you were to go to a LTE only phone and travel any bit, it would be worse than TMOUS in a bad area.

    I go with Verizon because of their coverage range, When I want to make a call, or browse the web, I can do it almost anywhere. If I am going to take a major hit on coverage for a LTE only phone, I might as well cancel Verizon and move with AT&T...

    Travel on the highway for about 15 miles, watching your signal metter on your phone and you will see what I mean, LTE, 3g, 1X, LTE, LTE, 3G.... Yea, it's that bad in most areas but, if you were on a phone call, you would NOT lose your call.

    Verizon's 100% LTE network is not going to be done till about 2020 if not longer (by then the 5g network will be available)

    Would love to see if it actually works but, with knowing this fact, I would not buy one unless it has 3G/CDMA support on it for the fringe areas. This is where Verizon does best and your losing it by dropping CMDA support...and would not spend $650 on a TEST....

    That is if verizon will even allow it on their network (sticking a SIM in wont help if there is a block because of no CDMA support)....

    A tablet is one thing...but, a PHONE is a totally different thing on this aspect..
    I understand pure 4G LTE isn't enough on Verizon's network, but that's why I mentioned Verizon's roaming agreements. If you're out of Verizon's coverage area but happen to be within range of another carrier's coverage, your phone can roam on another carrier's network. Roaming is free with all of Verizon's plans and it only applies to 3G networks as far as I know. Basically, in theory, your 950 would become a hybrid network phone. When 4G coverage is available, it will be on Verizon. But without CDMA and when you're out of 4G range, your phone would just simply roam on AT&T or T-Mobile's networks for 3G coverage.
    11-17-2015 09:24 AM
  10. tgp's Avatar
    I go with Verizon because of their coverage range, When I want to make a call, or browse the web, I can do it almost anywhere. If I am going to take a major hit on coverage for a LTE only phone, I might as well cancel Verizon and move with AT&T...

    Travel on the highway for about 15 miles, watching your signal metter on your phone and you will see what I mean, LTE, 3g, 1X, LTE, LTE, 3G.... Yea, it's that bad in most areas but, if you were on a phone call, you would NOT lose your call.
    I've mentioned this before, but few people realize how large and sparsely populated the US is. Yes, I know that Australia and Canada are too, but their residents are largely consolidated. The US population is spread out over the whole country.

    The continental US has roughly double the land area of the EU, and half the population. This means that the EU has 4 times the population density. CDMA/3G is the reason that Verizon has the best coverage of any US carrier.

    With 1/4 the population density of the EU, this means that US carriers' towers cover 1/4 as many people per tower. Verizon's CDMA network makes it feasible to cover areas that would otherwise be uncovered. And we wonder why cell phone service costs more in the US? I know that there are other reasons, but I would imagine that their cost per customer is higher too.
    11-17-2015 09:39 AM
  11. aximtreo's Avatar
    I believe you are correct...the one from the ICON might however. If an ICON user is going to test it.
    My 950xl is ordered for delivery soon. I will take the SIM from my ICON and see what happens. Hopefully it will be good news but I'll post here one way or the other.
    11-17-2015 11:15 AM
  12. psurob55's Avatar
    My 950xl is ordered for delivery soon. I will take the SIM from my ICON and see what happens. Hopefully it will be good news but I'll post here one way or the other.
    You can be the hero windows phone needs....

    but, is it deserved?
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    11-17-2015 11:17 AM
  13. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I understand pure 4G LTE isn't enough on Verizon's network, but that's why I mentioned Verizon's roaming agreements. If you're out of Verizon's coverage area but happen to be within range of another carrier's coverage, your phone can roam on another carrier's network. Roaming is free with all of Verizon's plans and it only applies to 3G networks as far as I know. Basically, in theory, your 950 would become a hybrid network phone. When 4G coverage is available, it will be on Verizon. But without CDMA and when you're out of 4G range, your phone would just simply roam on AT&T or T-Mobile's networks for 3G coverage.
    I guess the test is 2 fold on verizon. First to test if it will work on Verizon...and if you pass that one...How your billed for roaming. If you buy a phone that does not have 3g/CDMA for Verizon and your roaming all the time, I will bet Verizon will try to charge you for that in some way.

    4G on AT&T through Verizon, roaming at $0.10 a mb.... Your $99 bill goes up to $400 for one month. It's just the Verizon way
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    11-17-2015 11:30 AM
  14. aximtreo's Avatar
    You can be the hero windows phone needs....

    but, is it deserved?

    Not for me to say! (Gosh, someone should write a song with that title)
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    11-17-2015 11:33 AM
  15. Bobvfr's Avatar
    11-17-2015 12:27 PM
  16. to_be_announced's Avatar
    I understand pure 4G LTE isn't enough on Verizon's network, but that's why I mentioned Verizon's roaming agreements. If you're out of Verizon's coverage area but happen to be within range of another carrier's coverage, your phone can roam on another carrier's network. Roaming is free with all of Verizon's plans and it only applies to 3G networks as far as I know. Basically, in theory, your 950 would become a hybrid network phone. When 4G coverage is available, it will be on Verizon. But without CDMA and when you're out of 4G range, your phone would just simply roam on AT&T or T-Mobile's networks for 3G coverage.
    Pretty sure this has been mentioned in response to you already, but just because Verizon has roaming agreements doesn't mean that the phone would just grab someone elses tower if it can't find Verizon LTE. If it's still in range of a Verizon tower, it's not going to jump to a different carriers tower. Doesn't work that way. If you are in a "Verizon Area" that has coverage, albeit no LTE, it will stick with Verizon coverage and not roam, regardless if you have an LTE only phone, which is what you are essentially touting here. It's only going to roam if you are out of the Verizon area. So you'd be SOL.

    Don't buy the phone if you are on Verizon unless it supports their CDMA. You will be sorely disappointed.
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    11-17-2015 12:31 PM
  17. Generalheed's Avatar
    Pretty sure this has been mentioned in response to you already, but just because Verizon has roaming agreements doesn't mean that the phone would just grab someone elses tower if it can't find Verizon LTE. If it's still in range of a Verizon tower, it's not going to jump to a different carriers tower. Doesn't work that way. If you are in a "Verizon Area" that has coverage, albeit no LTE, it will stick with Verizon coverage and not roam, regardless if you have an LTE only phone, which is what you are essentially touting here. It's only going to roam if you are out of the Verizon area. So you'd be SOL.

    Don't buy the phone if you are on Verizon unless it supports their CDMA. You will be sorely disappointed.
    At this point, the only way to know for sure is to just test it. It seems a couple people will be testing it with the 950 XL so far. The 950 would be the better test because of Band 13 support, but either way, we should know for sure if it'll work soon.
    11-17-2015 12:53 PM
  18. RumoredNow's Avatar
    At this point, the only way to know for sure is to just test it. It seems a couple people will be testing it with the 950 XL so far. The 950 would be the better test because of Band 13 support, but either way, we should know for sure if it'll work soon.
    You are so adamant, when are you testing?
    11-17-2015 01:43 PM
  19. k1s23's Avatar
    Someone should definitely ask their friend to borrow a SIM card from Verizon and try it!
    11-17-2015 01:57 PM
  20. 920Walker's Avatar
    You can be the hero windows phone needs....

    but, is it deserved?
    Not for me to say! (Gosh, someone should write a song with that title)
    Not quite what you asked, but pertinent.


    Believe it or not,
    I'm walking on air.
    I never thought I could feel so free-ee-ee.
    Flying away on a wing and a prayer.
    Who could it beeee?
    Believe it or not it's just mee.
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    11-17-2015 02:12 PM
  21. DavidinCT's Avatar
    This thread should be locked at this point. There should be no more discussion on IF the 950 or 950XL will or wont work on Verizon.

    In a week or so, people should be getting these phones and we can re-open it when someone tests it with a Verizon SIM. Test the 950 and test the 950XL.

    Testing process.
    1. Test to confirm that you can activate it (if you have an active SIM), can you make a call ? Do you have data ? Can you get a TXT/MMS ?

    If you can pass the first stage, then the next tests.

    2. How is your coverage ? Get on the phone with someone and drive around while talking (have someone else drive). A good ride, 15 or so miles in your area, highway, and over a friends home (who gets spotty Verizon coverage the best test and KNOWN 3G areas). What is your result ? More dropped calls, or less, or flawless coverage like before ?

    If you pass this step with good results, or at least reasonable results...
    3. Use the phone for one billing cycle. See if your charged extra for roaming or if there is "hidden" Verizon fees. I might keep an eye on your bill or call Verizon 1/2 way through to see if there is any crazy charges.

    Right now, this is a battle back and forth, YES IT WILL WORK, NO IT WONT.... it's getting old, there is only 1 way to know for sure and stop this guessing game.

    My bets are on the 950 (one with the bands needed) wont even work with a Verizon SIM but, I would love to be proven wrong.

    Stop the guessing and thinking you KNOW it will work, let's find out for sure...
    11-18-2015 08:05 AM
  22. jfa1's Avatar
    Well you can always ask Verizon to get you a new SIM and it wouldn't cost anything. That's what they had to do when I replaced my 928 with my current ICON... I'm not exactly in a position to just spend $600 on a 950 though without knowing for sure it will work on Verizon's network so unfortunately I can't be a test subject for this.

    People the answer is simply NO it will only work on GSM networks. Even if it could VZN wouldn't activate it.
    11-18-2015 08:11 AM
  23. Bobvfr's Avatar
    This thread should be locked at this point. There should be no more discussion on IF the 950 or 950XL will or wont work on Verizon.

    In a week or so, people should be getting these phones and we can re-open it when someone tests it with a Verizon SIM. Test the 950 and test the 950XL.

    Testing process.
    1. Test to confirm that you can activate it (if you have an active SIM), can you make a call ? Do you have data ? Can you get a TXT/MMS ?

    If you can pass the first stage, then the next tests.

    2. How is your coverage ? Get on the phone with someone and drive around while talking (have someone else drive). A good ride, 15 or so miles in your area, highway, and over a friends home (who gets spotty Verizon coverage the best test and KNOWN 3G areas). What is your result ? More dropped calls, or less, or flawless coverage like before ?

    If you pass this step with good results, or at least reasonable results...
    3. Use the phone for one billing cycle. See if your charged extra for roaming or if there is "hidden" Verizon fees. I might keep an eye on your bill or call Verizon 1/2 way through to see if there is any crazy charges.

    Right now, this is a battle back and forth, YES IT WILL WORK, NO IT WONT.... it's getting old, there is only 1 way to know for sure and stop this guessing game.

    My bets are on the 950 (one with the bands needed) wont even work with a Verizon SIM but, I would love to be proven wrong.

    Stop the guessing and thinking you KNOW it will work, let's find out for sure...
    Please do not stop this thread, 37 pages of guesses and speculation cannot end now, it would be a crime.
    11-18-2015 11:47 AM
  24. littlebib's Avatar
    Please do not stop this thread, 37 pages of guesses and speculation cannot end now, it would be a crime.
    Totally with you on this one. This thread has been fascinating!
    11-18-2015 12:41 PM
  25. aximtreo's Avatar
    And who says that humans are loosing their imaginations and senses of humor. This thread proves both points wrong.
    11-18-2015 12:51 PM
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