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  1. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    Who is this "John Legere" clown and why should anyone believe a word he says?
    10-07-2015 07:51 PM
  2. hagjohn's Avatar
    AT&T is only US carrier planning to sell Microsoft's latest phones

    "Verizon Wireless, T-Mobile and Sprint have no intention to sell either the Lumia 950 or Lumia 950 XL , according to people familiar with the carriers' plans. AT&T said on Tuesday that it would offer the Lumia 950, but hasn't commented on the Lumia 950 XL."

    source: AT&T is only US carrier planning to sell Microsoft's latest phones
    10-07-2015 07:53 PM
  3. editguy's Avatar
    That's the great thing about GSM networks. Unlocked phones and sim cards.
    theefman likes this.
    10-07-2015 08:11 PM
  4. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Verizon guys, I know it's a hard truth to hear but if you want maximum device flexibility you really are on the wrong carrier. Look all carriers are terrible, if you think Verizon is something special then you've really just fallen for their marketing. All carriers see us as money streams, they don't care to do us any favors, they just want our cash. So it's in your best interest (if your circumstances allow) to not be loyal to a carrier, you should really just move to AT&T. It's not that AT&T is the best carrier, they are just the only US carrier that has two very important things. Maximum device availability combined with a large robust network. Verizon has a large network, but they have device lock-in that screws you more than it helps you. T-Mobile has more device availability being on GSM, but they still have their limitations and their network isn't as large. Sprint? Lol just get off Sprint already, here in Phoenix they still don't even have proper 4G/LTE coverage in TWENTY FIFTEEN. You don't get a good network OR device flexibility.

    Don't be fooled by the monthly costs seeming lower on other carriers, it's all about device costs these days anyway. And with AT&T you can control that cost more than on any other carrier since you can import phones or use just about any GSM phone (without fear of craigslist blacklisted CDMA phones). No I don't work for AT&T, this has just become clear to me after hopping from Sprint to Verizon to AT&T over the years. Don't be afraid to combine with friends to split the bill up more and more in order to drive down costs. I have ten lines on my account, only two of which are my own family, most of those lines are phones we brought to AT&T or paid off long ago. The lowest cost line right now is my sister who pays $27 a month for unlimited talk/text/shared 15GB data with rollover on a Lumia 920. 15GB suits all of us just fine, but my point is look how low that cost can be for great device selection and a great network. Buddy up with family or friends to divide up your costs and enjoy the benefits only AT&T seems to allow in carriers these days (especially for Windows Phone). Don't fall for the "I can save $15 a month on X carrier" if you're stuck wishing for a phone that isn't available to you. That $15 is easily worth it for daily enjoyment of the right device. Even unlimited data just isn't worth it anymore.

    I hope this doesn't kick off a carrier war, I really just wanted to share my perspective having been on three different carriers over the last decade. I got fed up with Verizon for this exact issue, not being able to use the phone I wanted for no damn good reason. The only hope you Verizon guys have left is that the Lumia 735 seems to have the same bands, just focus on that and hope it comes through for you. I mean if the 950 doesn't explicitly call out the right kind of CDMA band, but the 735 doesn't have it listed either, that could bode well for you. :) Good luck. Also for kicks here is a recent carrier comparison to help you make a decision.

    Best Phone Carrier 2015 - Cell Phone Provider Comparison
    10-07-2015 08:20 PM
  5. Kodiak12's Avatar
    Why all this love for Verizon? If the phone I wanted only worked on their system I'd get another phone. That's how much I despise them for their extortionist policies, hidden taxes and generally complex plans. And now that Apple is subsidizing phones, I hear Verizon is sucking wind. Oh well, sucks to be them.

    Cricket is my new savior now. Month to month, no hidden fees, cheap. Yeah, I know they're owned by AT&T but if they screw me over I'll dump their azzes too. Choice is wonderful.
    920Walker likes this.
    10-07-2015 08:24 PM
  6. theefman's Avatar
    Still, nothing was preventing Microsoft from putting CDMA hardware in the phone so that, regardless if Verizon sold it or not, we could have still purchased it and used it. No different than T-Mobile or any other GSM carrier not selling the phone in their stores either. Just the simple fact that customers on those carriers can still buy it from Microsoft and use it. Verizon customers don't even have that option because of lack of CDMA support.
    Actually, there's a huge difference. Tmo doesnt require your device to have any special activation, no GSM carrier does, you just slap your SIM into YOUR phone and you're away. I should know, Ive used the 1520.3, Rogers 1020 & 920 and the first phone I ever used on Tmo US was an O2 XDA IIs. The fact that you can hack around Verizons activation with an already activated SIM doesnt count, offset against the number of people who would actually do this vs the number who would buy if the phone was officially supported probably made the cost of adding the required radios prohibitive. Hence no Verizon support.
    10-07-2015 08:26 PM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    I just called Verizon and their customer service rep advised that they DO plan to support the 950 and 950XL. I asked specifically about those two devices, and in addition to him advising that they plan support for them he advised that Verizon is a 'Microsoft Partner'.

    Take it for what it's worth, but at least I have hope.
    I called T-Mobile within minutes of the showcase ending on Tuesday, and learned that they will not be carrying either of the Lumia 950 models. Although we can bring one on via BYOD, WiFi calling will not be supported.
    I confirmed with my Sprint business account manager today that Sprint will not be carrying either, which no one but me probably cares about anyway.
    You might as well put Yes and No on a wall and throw a dart at them blindfolded. The reps usually don't know as much about it as some of us enthusiasts.

    Obviously we don't know what Microsoft and Verizon are up to behind the scenes, but I don't think any manufacturer would be willing to make a device with added cost for Verizon if Verizon doesn't have any intention of explicitly allowing it on their network.

    Even a thing that seems minor, like CDMA, probably adds a lot of cost in design, testing, hardware etc.
    You have some good points here about possible reasons for Microsoft not including CDMA radios. Who knows (besides the insiders)?

    At the launch event, the antenna in the 950XL was specifically brought up as something special, it might be that placement and design of that played into things. Maybe the Microsoft engineers were able to achieve better signal with lower power use without CDMA, etc. All speculation, but examples of things that go into phone design.

    If Verizon flat out says they won't sell or allow it explicitly, there might be enough downsides to putting CDMA in it that it's not worth it financially or technologically.
    When the antennae were specifically mentioned, I right away thought that they were going to include CDMA capabilities. As it turned out, I have no clue what the significance is of two antennae!

    With the release, I bet Verizon grabs something, If it's the 550, 950 or 950XL, who knows but, maybe something.
    If Verizon gets any of these phones, they would have to be specially made for them. The announced devices won't work.

    SO ... can ANYONE "definitively say" whether a twice as "expensive" Lumia 950XL *** DOES NOT HAVE the SAME every carrier in the world - AND - Verizon "Radios" that the Lumia 735 has ???

    ANYONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
    Yes. The specs have been listed all over. Compare them with Verizon's requirements. And please be aware the CDMA and WCDMA are NOT the same thing! The only commonality between them is that they both contain the letters C, D, M, and A.
    10-07-2015 08:26 PM
  8. ShadyLn's Avatar
    Have the 950's gone thru FCC approval yet? Just curious if MS may not be releasing all the tech specs when it comes to radio bands and I believe you could get the gritty details from the FCC information. Why MS would leave out CDMA and not use universal radios like the iPhones and Nexus devices makes zero sense, unless they saved like $.05 per device or whatever, and is beyond me.

    Everyone should take to Twitter and other social media on this Verizon, or non-AT&T carriers, issue. Use a hashtag like #verizon950s or something like that.

    We are with Verizon at work and I was hoping to switch from my iPhone 6+ but I guess not; too bad because we're a MS shop and the integration would have been nice.
    10-07-2015 08:26 PM
  9. editguy's Avatar
    Who is this "John Legere" clown and why should anyone believe a word he says?
    He may be a clown, but if it hadn't been for the disrupting force that he caused T-Mobile to be, the cell carriers would still be maintaining the status quo.
    AZTonyUSA, Sick Freak and libra89 like this.
    10-07-2015 08:29 PM
  10. editguy's Avatar
    Why would WiFi calling not work? I had a Nokia phone that T-mo didn't carry and WiFi calling worked ( or I was dreaming all of that time).
    10-07-2015 08:34 PM
  11. MikeSo's Avatar
    SO ... can ANYONE "definitively say" whether a twice as "expensive" Lumia 950XL *** DOES NOT HAVE the SAME every carrier in the world - AND - Verizon "Radios" that the Lumia 735 has ???

    ANYONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
    According to the official specs on Microsoft's website, it does not. Who knows if that is correct but that's all we have to go by right now.
    10-07-2015 08:40 PM
  12. 920Walker's Avatar
    Why all this love for Verizon? If the phone I wanted only worked on their system I'd get another phone. That's how much I despise them for their extortionist policies, hidden taxes and generally complex plans. And now that Apple is subsidizing phones, I hear Verizon is sucking wind. Oh well, sucks to be them.

    Cricket is my new savior now. Month to month, no hidden fees, cheap. Yeah, I know they're owned by AT&T but if they screw me over I'll dump their azzes too. Choice is wonderful.
    I've been on Cricket for a month. $35/m including all taxes and fees, 2.5GB, no overage fees but throttled to :eek: 2G, no contract using my 920. Was paying $80 for 3GB, more if going even 1kb over 3 gigs. Buy unlocked, the European way.
    EspHack likes this.
    10-07-2015 08:42 PM
  13. kwright62's Avatar
    I'm moving to AT&T for the 950XL. I won't be surprised to find that eventually Verizon offers a variant of the same thing but by then Microsoft will release the Surface phone..... on AT&T.

    I'm done with buying a phone from a carrier as well.
    EspHack and Kevin Buchholz like this.
    10-07-2015 08:48 PM
  14. Markeyse Jamar Mundy's Avatar
    i dropped vzw back when they had crap wp7 support when i got tired of them always getting crap devices and went to ATT, signal and speed wise i haven't noticed any real negative difference, out in the sticks, i tend to get better reception than i did with verizon.

    this is in SoCal and also the NorCal (bay) areas fwiw
    Good to know!

    Another good thing about AT&T, is that they bought DirecTV, and there are bundle pricing! This is definitely a way out if Verizon doesn't carry the 950 XL. I love Verizon, but not more than the Windows Phone! I just need the network to work! That is all!
    10-07-2015 08:52 PM
  15. 11B1P's Avatar
    Well ****!. Looks like I am going to have to go to AT&T. The problem for me is that Verizon has CLEARLY the best coverage in my area. Nobody complains about the coverage (service and support are another matter) but every other carrier gets complaints. Need to shop and compare.
    Ok, for you and everyone else reading this. You never pick a phone simply because it's only a specific carrier. You always pick the carrier with the best service for your area, then pick a phone on said carrier. Now if there's no difference in quality of service between your current provider and one you're looking to switch to, so be it. Now, yes it sucks, because I was looking forward to Verizon carrying the 950 and XL, but I will not give up Verizon simply for a phone.
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    10-07-2015 09:09 PM
  16. Markeyse Jamar Mundy's Avatar
    I'm moving to AT&T for the 950XL. I won't be surprised to find that eventually Verizon offers a variant of the same thing but by then Microsoft will release the Surface phone..... on AT&T.

    I'm done with buying a phone from a carrier as well.
    Yea I may buy my phone without buying it from a carrier!
    10-07-2015 09:12 PM
  17. Markeyse Jamar Mundy's Avatar
    Ok, for you and everyone else reading this. You never pick a phone simply because it's only a specific carrier. You always pick the carrier with the best service for your area, then pick a phone on said carrier. Now if there's no difference in quality of service between your current provider and one you're looking to switch to, so be it. Now, yes it sucks, because I was looking forward to Verizon carrying the 950 and XL, but I will not give up Verizon simply for a phone.
    You can't tell people what to do with their money though!

    #Choices
    920Walker likes this.
    10-07-2015 09:14 PM
  18. EspHack's Avatar
    it has band 17 (700mhz) which is their base LTE network and the 950's support it, I think it is slower than AWS(don't know their exact freq) so in theory yes, LTE is a gsm technology, they actually give you an LTE simcard which only does data, so I guess you could buy a prepaid data simcard if they offer it, apply the network parameters and be good to go but only with LTE DATA and NOTHING ELSE

    that's perfectly fine to me and even a benefit since I can get rid of their analog 2g/3g crap and just get data like fiber on my home, that is, if they sell prepaid LTE simcards and data plans for it AND let unlocked phones use it
    10-07-2015 09:34 PM
  19. FXi2's Avatar
    This is the question of the month we have to wait to see what the carriers do. Frankly I don't really care if carriers sell it from their store, the MS version would actually be nice if it got updates outside of the carrier update methods. Means we'd get security fixes done faster. And carriers aren't exactly offering discounts like the old days. But not false flags either. When we say "run" on their network it runs fully, no features disabled, no channels or methods disallowed, no "special" problems to deal with. Just get the sim into the thing, start billing me and it's just the same if I buy it at MS or Amazon or the VZ online store.
    10-07-2015 09:38 PM
  20. MikeSo's Avatar
    I'm moving to AT&T for the 950XL. I won't be surprised to find that eventually Verizon offers a variant of the same thing but by then Microsoft will release the Surface phone..... on AT&T.

    I'm done with buying a phone from a carrier as well.
    Yeah I'm leaving Verizon too no matter what they do. After the Icon debacle there is no way I will keep supporting them at least not for the foreseeable future.
    10-07-2015 09:52 PM
  21. MikeSo's Avatar
    When the antennae were specifically mentioned, I right away thought that they were going to include CDMA capabilities. As it turned out, I have no clue what the significance is of two antennae!
    That's what I thought too. Although no matter what I am happy they talked about that because the one thing about the Icon that really sucks is the reception on Wi-Fi so hopefully that will no longer be the case in the 950.
    tgp likes this.
    10-07-2015 09:54 PM
  22. donebrasko's Avatar
    I just can't leave my unlimited data. #u-d-til-i-d-i-e

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    10-07-2015 10:01 PM
  23. Tegument's Avatar
    even if it's unlocked it would still need to work w/ cdma rather than gsm...as a verizon user myself, I'm keeping my fingers crossed as well that they offer both, especially since the carriers aren't doing contracts anymore we should have the option w/ byod ;)
    10-07-2015 10:07 PM
  24. dkediger's Avatar
    Unfortunately, ATT has no signal, not just no LTE signal, but no freakin' signal period at 3 of the 5 locations I work, as well as at home.

    I have to admit, the Note 5 my wife uses is looking better by the day. I'm in no real rush - my Icon is a solid phone. But if Verizon is out as a carrier, either sold direct or BYOD, it is a bad omen for improving WP's fortune in the US.
    10-07-2015 10:08 PM
  25. Sick Freak's Avatar
    I called T-Mobile within minutes of the showcase ending on Tuesday, and learned that they will not be carrying either of the Lumia 950 models. Although we can bring one on via BYOD, WiFi calling will not be supported.

    This is a huge letdown for me personally, as my workplace has zero TMo reception unless I walk out of the building and to the parking structure. I've had my Lumias for 3 years now and was in dire need for this upgrade, but without WiFi calling a 950XL would a brick at work. :(
    Why would WiFi calling not work?
    10-07-2015 10:21 PM
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