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  1. NOLATechy's Avatar
    You mean like they did already for iPhone. Why should they be against it for Microsoft, but not or Apple?
    10-08-2015 11:11 AM
  2. NOLATechy's Avatar
    FYI, I chatted with an AT&T representative who informed me that AT&T will DEFINITELY be carrying BOTH the Lumia 950 and 950XL. If Big Red can't get onboard with what will be the BEST phone out there (IMO much better than iPhone 6S Plus), then screw 'em, I'll gladly go back to AT&T since their coverage in New Orleans is on par with VZW anyway.
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    10-08-2015 11:15 AM
  3. muddytoad's Avatar
    I just looked on MS Store and the Lumia 735 (Verizon) connectivity bands for CDMA & LTE match the 950. The 950 has even more as you would expect. My thoughts are YES.
    10-08-2015 11:24 AM
  4. Jeddic's Avatar
    And this is what pisses me off about Microsoft. They insist they want to be relevant in the mobile arena but price their flagships way too high and they don't seem to care if carriers want them or not. Just 3 more Lumia's chucked into the fray.
    I don't think that pricing these 200 dollars below competing devices is a bad price at all. If you don't like paying less to get a similarly equipped flagship, I'd guess it's because you don't like Windows 10. Many iPhone fans wouldn't buy a Galaxy S6 Edge or Sony Z5 for even $100, because they really love iOS. Many of them wouldn't even use Android if you paid them. Does that mean that Android flagships are ridiculously priced? No, it just means those people have a preference for iOS. The converse is true for iOS, many Android users wouldn't touch it.

    I personally like Windows. I enjoy using WP and I see it as a bonus on a phone. If I were buying a phone now, I'd pay for a 950 what I'd pay for an iPhone or Z5. If you think that the same phone should be half the price if it comes with W10, then it's probably not the OS for you. And that's ok, because there's an option for everyone.
    Last edited by Jeddic; 10-08-2015 at 11:27 AM. Reason: insert quote
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    10-08-2015 11:26 AM
  5. to_be_announced's Avatar
    I just looked on MS Store and the Lumia 735 (Verizon) connectivity bands for CDMA & LTE match the 950. The 950 has even more as you would expect. My thoughts are YES.
    The 950 shows WCDMA, not CDMA. They are different.

    http://www.differencebetween.net/tec...dma-and-wcdma/
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    10-08-2015 11:33 AM
  6. Justinius's Avatar
    As does the 735 marketed for Verizon.

    735
    GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
    WCDMA Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)

    950XL
    GSM network: 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1800 MHz, 1900 MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0 kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8 kbps
    WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2 Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76 Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz), Band 8 (900MHz), Band 12 (700 MHz), Band 20 (800MHz), Band 28 (700 MHz)\
    TD-LTE network: Band 38 (2570-2620 MHz), Band 40 (2300-2400 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 300 Mbps (Cat 6) LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 6)
    10-08-2015 11:40 AM
  7. colinkiama's Avatar
    Nope, no CDMA bands
    10-08-2015 11:47 AM
  8. primortal's Avatar
    Not according to Verizon Wireless page, Microsoft Lumia 735 | Verizon Wireless
    Network: LTE Band 13/4 (700/1700 MHz), CDMA/1xEVDO Rev. A (800/1900 MHz)

    CDMA and LTE Band 13 are missing from the 950's.

    Even Microsoft page, Microsoft Lumia 735 Specifications - Microsoft - USA
    GSM network: 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1800 MHz, 1900 MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0 kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8 kbps
    WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 21.1 Mbps (Cat 14)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76 Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 13 (700MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)
    CDMA network bands: BC1 (1900 MHz), BC0 (800 MHz)
    CDMA max data speed DL: Rev 0 /A 2.4 Mbps /3.1 Mbps
    CDMA max data speed UL: Rev 0 /A 153.2 kbps /1.8 Mbps
    10-08-2015 11:47 AM
  9. MikeSo's Avatar
    Stop posting misinformation.
    We went over this at length already earlier in the discussion. If you have anything substantial to add, let's hear it.
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    10-08-2015 11:50 AM
  10. phalstaph's Avatar
    Maybe the surface phone will be Verizon... That's what I'm asking Santa for.
    Dan Liddiard likes this.
    10-08-2015 11:59 AM
  11. Ben Schmidt1's Avatar
    I don't think that pricing these 200 dollars below competing devices is a bad price at all. If you don't like paying less to get a similarly equipped flagship, I'd guess it's because you don't like Windows 10. Many iPhone fans wouldn't buy a Galaxy S6 Edge or Sony Z5 for even $100, because they really love iOS. Many of them wouldn't even use Android if you paid them. Does that mean that Android flagships are ridiculously priced? No, it just means those people have a preference for iOS. The converse is true for iOS, many Android users wouldn't touch it.

    I personally like Windows. I enjoy using WP and I see it as a bonus on a phone. If I were buying a phone now, I'd pay for a 950 what I'd pay for an iPhone or Z5. If you think that the same phone should be half the price if it comes with W10, then it's probably not the OS for you. And that's ok, because there's an option for everyone.
    This is the power of advertising.... a lot of customers (not all of them) don't know what they like. They're told they like iOS, hence they buy an iphone... the fact that all their friends have an iphone helps encourage them to get that particular brand. Many of my friends are now switching from ios to other names... mainly android... because of how boring ios is. It has been relatively the same layout for years, which has worked for them. It doesn't have that fresh look to it anymore. Does it have the apps? Obviously. Does it have the customer support? Very much so. Doesn't make it the best os... just a really popular one.
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    10-08-2015 12:00 PM
  12. Justinius's Avatar
    So there seems to be maybe a miscommunication based on which page at Microsoft you read:
    Verizon - Microsoft Lumia 735 - Microsoft Store
    vs.
    Microsoft Lumia 735 Specifications - Microsoft - USA
    10-08-2015 12:04 PM
  13. primortal's Avatar
    So there seems to be maybe a miscommunication based on which page at Microsoft you read:
    Verizon - Microsoft Lumia 735 - Microsoft Store
    vs.
    Microsoft Lumia 735 Specifications - Microsoft - USA
    I'll take that the specs on Verizon - Microsoft Lumia 735 - Microsoft Store are incorrect being it doesn't list CDMA. So there's a glimmer of hope that the 950 didn't list CDMA for the same reason its not listed for the 735
    Dan Liddiard likes this.
    10-08-2015 12:13 PM
  14. to_be_announced's Avatar
    I'll take that the specs on Verizon - Microsoft Lumia 735 - Microsoft Store are incorrect being it doesn't list CDMA. So there's a glimmer of hope that the 950 didn't list CDMA for the same reason its not listed for the 735
    This is actually pretty interesting and the only glimmer of hope Verizon customers have. We shall see I guess.
    Dan Liddiard likes this.
    10-08-2015 12:21 PM
  15. 11B1P's Avatar
    You can't tell people what to do with their money though!

    #Choices
    I'm not saying what to do with your money. The phone is no good if you switch to a carrier with terrible service. Obviously some places offer great service from all the carriers so it's no big deal. But switch to a sub par provider coverage and you'll be disappointed.
    10-08-2015 12:31 PM
  16. shakermaker41's Avatar
    Depends on how much you use your phone to talk. I for one spend most of my time on the phone at work, on my work phone. My personal phone I rarely make any calls, mainly to my wife or family. I can definitely live with mediocre service, but I know that's not true for everyone.
    10-08-2015 12:33 PM
  17. AMERICANRAJ's Avatar
    Why won't Microsoft at least let their customers know which networks the new phones will work in. I'm shocked at their marketing.
    10-08-2015 12:34 PM
  18. WUPAPI39's Avatar
    Yes....Dual radio. How much simpler can it be? Once I'm done paying off my Icon that's exactly what I'll be doing
    10-08-2015 12:35 PM
  19. Trov1's Avatar
    Someone has already posted this, but no one seems to have read it.

    The Qualcomm 808 and 810 will support all networks. They aren't going to make MS a one off chip to put in their phones.

    There won't be any hardware problem to running these phones on any network. Could MS change the OS to not allow the use on other networks or could Verizon not allow it, I guess possible, I don't know. Go look at the specs for the chips on Qualcomms site.


    For those that can't find it.

    Integrated X10 LTE, with Global Mode supporting LTE FDD, LTE TDD, WCDMA (DB-DC-HSDPA, DC-HSUPA), CDMA1x, EV-DO, TD-SCDMA and GSM/EDGE
    Cat 9 speeds of up to 450 Mbps with support for up to 3x20 MHz carrier aggregation on LTE FDD and LTE TDD
    Support for LTE Broadcast, LTE multimode dual SIM (DSDS and DSDA) and VoLTE with HD Voice and SRVCC


    Again it won't be hardware stopping these phones.
    10-08-2015 12:42 PM
  20. tgp's Avatar
    We went over this at length already earlier in the discussion. If you have anything substantial to add, let's hear it.
    He's talking about this:

    It's up to Verizon. If you can bring our own Nexus and iPhone, that's because they are desirable phones for them to have on the network. They allow them. It's not like GSM where the carrier HAS to allow a phone (that's how the standard is). Verizon can still choose to deny Microsoft phones. Which I bet they would, since they really don't care, and that minuscule number of customers are treated more like a hassle than an asset.
    This is in fact misinformation. Verizon does not, and will not, block any compatible unlocked phone. In fact, while they technically could, there's no way they would. They'd have the FCC all over them in a heartbeat. They would have to blacklist them, like they do for phones that aren't paid for or are stolen.

    I don't think we need to rehash what "supporting" and "whitelisting" mean. They are different than "allowing." You should at least change your terminology. A phone does not have to be supported or whitelisted to work on Verizon.

    It's not like GSM where the carrier HAS to allow a phone (that's how the standard is).
    Actually, the way Verizon operates, it is like that. I have a non-Verizon Nexus 6, and I have never activated it. I don't know if GSM carriers HAVE to allow a phone, and I don't know if Verizon HAS to allow a phone. I do know that they both do allow any unlocked compatible phone.

    Verizon is out to make a buck, just like AT&T and Microsoft and every other business on the planet. They obviously weighed the pluses and minuses and decided it wasn't worth whatever it would take.

    AT&T is no saint either. From what I understand, the past exclusives have been due to AT&T's demands. AFAIK, they told Microsoft they'd carry WP only if they were exclusive. And I wouldn't doubt that Microsoft paid AT&T as well. So you can blame AT&T for the 950 not being available on the other carriers, if the reason is the same as in the past.
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    10-08-2015 12:43 PM
  21. jakreid's Avatar
    You realize it takes 2 to make a business decision. If you truly do want to take a stand and support the product then switch carriers. Quickest way to get a business to change their minds/policies is by hitting them without your buying power. The way Verizon has treated WP in the past I do not blame MSFT one bit for not putting CDMA radios in the device so that it will work on their network.
    I totally get your point here, however, Microsoft should've at least made this phone capable of working on Verizon's network It has a large market share of US Networks if not the largest. That way the ball would've been in Verizon's court, and we the customers of Verizon would actually have a case here stating that Verizon has no excuse not to carry this phone. No doubt Verizon has treated the platform horribly, but even if this phone got "blacklisted" if MS puts the CDMA radios in the phone even at a loss on their part, Verizon is the bad guy here and its customers like us who want this phone can effectively pressure them to get it.
    10-08-2015 12:44 PM
  22. Lokified's Avatar
    That was before they went to no contract... now they don't care as much and just want you to use their service. They just never thought they would end up being in a position where they didn't provide the phone.
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    10-08-2015 01:18 PM
  23. MikeSo's Avatar
    He's talking about this:

    This is in fact misinformation. Verizon does not, and will not, block any compatible unlocked phone. In fact, while they technically could, there's no way they would. They'd have the FCC all over them in a heartbeat. They would have to blacklist them, like they do for phones that aren't paid for or are stolen.

    I don't think we need to rehash what "supporting" and "whitelisting" mean. They are different than "allowing." You should at least change your terminology. A phone does not have to be supported or whitelisted to work on Verizon.
    In general, not just about phones, to have a list of things that are specifically allowed is generally called "whitelisting" vs having a list of things that are specifically NOT allowed is "blacklisting". That's the common use of the words everywhere.

    We'll just have to agree to disagree about how to define what Verizon does. They will not accept a new activation of a device that they haven't explicitly allowed on their network. You can work around that if they will keep letting you, but that's the fact. I don't know why we still argue that fact. The FCC doesn't care about that the least as far as I know, not when Verizon did it and not when Sprint does it. Do you have any sources that the FCC is concerned about networks not allowing some phones? If I'm wrong, I'd like to be corrected.

    I have a non-Verizon Nexus 6, and I have never activated it. I don't know if GSM carriers HAVE to allow a phone, and I don't know if Verizon HAS to allow a phone. I do know that they both do allow any unlocked compatible phone.
    Did you buy your phone from Google Play? Verizon do explicitly allow those, so if you do that's why it works there. If it's not from there, you had to activate it on the Verizon network by faking an IMEI from an approved Verizon phone and put an already activated SIM into your Nexus. Otherwise it won't work. Again, if there is evidence somewhere to the contrary, please point me to it. I'd like to be corrected if I'm wrong. I have not seen any.

    Yes, GSM networks have to accept all phones. That's how the GSM standard works.
    Last edited by MikeSo; 10-08-2015 at 01:40 PM.
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    10-08-2015 01:28 PM
  24. Eric Chew's Avatar
    So apparently the MS stores have working demo units. Has anyone asked if they could drop their VZW SIM in one temporarily to see if it works on the network?
    10-08-2015 01:36 PM
  25. MikeSo's Avatar
    So apparently the MS stores have working demo units. Has anyone asked if they could drop their VZW SIM in one temporarily to see if it works on the network?
    Hehe that would be a way to test, right? I might have to ask!
    10-08-2015 01:41 PM
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