11-13-2015 09:21 PM
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  1. pdch's Avatar
    GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
    WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 8 (900MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 17 (700MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 7 (2600MHz), Band 8 (900MHz), Band 28 (700MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
    TD-LTE network: Band 38 (2570-2620MHz), Band 40 (2300-2400MHz), Band 41 partially (2555-2575 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 300 Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 6)
    10-06-2015 01:50 PM
  2. dpinside's Avatar
    WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 8 (900MHz)
    LTE FDD network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 17 (700MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 7 (2600MHz), Band 8 (900MHz), Band 28 (700MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)


    And this lets me know that this phone will work on Verizon even though Verizon is Windowsphobic and probably wont sell Windows Phones.
    10-06-2015 02:47 PM
  3. Generalheed's Avatar
    WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 8 (900MHz)
    LTE FDD network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 17 (700MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 7 (2600MHz), Band 8 (900MHz), Band 28 (700MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)


    And this lets me know that this phone will work on Verizon even though Verizon is Windowsphobic and probably wont sell Windows Phones.
    Ok, so looks like it supports 2 out 3 of Verzion's Bands (2 and 4) at least for LTE. And while its WCDMA support is in the correct Verzion frequencies (800 and 1900 Mhz), the problem is Verizon does not support WCDMA. It's quite different from regular CDMA.

    Now I'm not an expert on unlocked phones, but it seems like if you could get this phone working on Verzion, you'd have to live without 3G or 1xRTT, relying 100% on LTE. Any experts out there please correct me on my functionality theory. Now fortunately, Verizon's ads on their LTE coverage are quite accurate and you'll rarely have to use 3G anymore. But from time to time, my Lumia 928 does drop to 3G while indoors. So having 0 coverage in that case might be something you'll have to put up with.

    Rest assured though, I'm 90% sure this phone will have some functionality on Verizon.
    10-06-2015 02:54 PM
  4. Spinn's Avatar
    This is disappointing for me. Even though Verizon has 4G where I live, my Icon stays on 3G the majority of the time. Guess I'm stuck with my Icon for the foreseeable future :(
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    10-06-2015 03:15 PM
  5. pdch's Avatar
    Yeah, I think you will have to do LTE + roaming. Verizon is trying to phase out CDMA, so I wouldn't read too much into it not being there.
    10-06-2015 03:16 PM
  6. Mike Santagata's Avatar
    Given these bands, can anyone say whether or not this will work with Tmobiles 4g?
    10-06-2015 03:17 PM
  7. CaptainLumia's Avatar
    Given these bands, can anyone say whether or not this will work with Tmobiles 4g?
    Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz) is T-Mobile's LTE network.
    10-06-2015 04:57 PM
  8. to_be_announced's Avatar
    If not fully functional on Verizon..........that sucks. I'll be stuck with my L928 for the foreseeable future. No way am I going to use crappy iOS or Android. Wonder if the L928 will get W10....
    10-06-2015 05:51 PM
  9. mogelijk's Avatar
    Actually, for T-Mobile you want LTE Bands 2, 4 and 12. It appears this phone will work well on T-Mobile.
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    10-06-2015 06:43 PM
  10. tedj101's Avatar
    Given these bands, can anyone say whether or not this will work with Tmobiles 4g?
    Yes! It covers all T-Mobile's bands, here and in Europe... (My wife is on her way to Italy with my 650XL as I write. The 950XL supports all the same bands as the International version of the 650XL.)

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    10-06-2015 07:17 PM
  11. maj71303's Avatar
    folks these are unlocked GSM phones by what I have seen. They will not work on any CDMA carrier. WCDMA is GSM and the bands are not to be confused with CDMA 800 / 1900. The bands need to actually say CDMA 800 / 1900 for CDMA carrier support as verizon and sprint still require CDMA 800 / 1900 on their phones.
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    10-06-2015 07:47 PM
  12. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Yeah, I think you will have to do LTE + roaming. Verizon is trying to phase out CDMA, so I wouldn't read too much into it not being there.
    Ok, so looks like it supports 2 out 3 of Verzion's Bands (2 and 4) at least for LTE. And while its WCDMA support is in the correct Verzion frequencies (800 and 1900 Mhz), the problem is Verizon does not support WCDMA. It's quite different from regular CDMA.

    Now I'm not an expert on unlocked phones, but it seems like if you could get this phone working on Verzion, you'd have to live without 3G or 1xRTT, relying 100% on LTE. Any experts out there please correct me on my functionality theory. Now fortunately, Verizon's ads on their LTE coverage are quite accurate and you'll rarely have to use 3G anymore. But from time to time, my Lumia 928 does drop to 3G while indoors. So having 0 coverage in that case might be something you'll have to put up with.

    Rest assured though, I'm 90% sure this phone will have some functionality on Verizon.
    Yea, Verizon with out it's 3G network to back fall on, they will be worse than a old TMOUS area that is already weak signal.

    Verizon has the best coverage because it can depend on it's HUGE 3g network that is still in place (slowly going away once areas are at 100% LTE coverage). If you could have LTE only, if you were lucky and only lived/worked in a big city, great but, if you have to touch the outskirts of the city....it would stink...

    If not fully functional on Verizon..........that sucks. I'll be stuck with my L928 for the foreseeable future. No way am I going to use crappy iOS or Android. Wonder if the L928 will get W10....
    I'm preying that the ICON will get the final W10M.... and that is newer than the 928.... and has been disco'd for almost a year now...

    Let's just say, I would not hold my breath that Verizon will update a phone that has not been sold for over a year now...

    If you have the ICON or 928, I would bet the preview program for ever... as Verizon wont be helping I am sure..

    and I am not holding my breath that Verizon will say that they are going to carry the 950/950xl

    folks these are unlocked GSM phones by what I have seen. They will not work on any CDMA carrier. WCDMA is GSM and the bands are not to be confused with CDMA 800 / 1900. The bands need to actually say CDMA 800 / 1900 for CDMA carrier support as verizon and sprint still require CDMA 800 / 1900 on their phones.
    We go through this every time NEW GSM Window Phones are released.... CDMA and WCDMA ARE NOT THE SAME THING AND WCDMA IS NOT COMPATABLE WITH VERIZON
    Last edited by DavidinCT; 10-06-2015 at 08:50 PM.
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    10-06-2015 08:20 PM
  13. sph0308's Avatar
    I shared the various Network bands with a Verizon rep today and he said that the 950 XL would work on Verizon's network without any performance loss.
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    10-06-2015 08:33 PM
  14. elindalyne's Avatar
    Yeah, I think you will have to do LTE + roaming. Verizon is trying to phase out CDMA, so I wouldn't read too much into it not being there.
    Pretty much... They'll most likely need a software patch to allow VoLTE calls, but I don't see any reason for the 950 series phones not to work on Verizon or Sprint.
    10-06-2015 08:35 PM
  15. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I shared the various Network bands with a Verizon rep today and he said that the 950 XL would work on Verizon's network without any performance loss.
    and I would spend $650 on a item because of a rep of a company that is know to have clueless reps most of the time. Do your homework or you will be returning the phone in a few days because it DOES NOT Support all of Verizon's bands....
    10-06-2015 08:47 PM
  16. GreenScrew's Avatar
    GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
    WCDMA network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 8 (900MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 1 (2100MHz), Band 17 (700MHz), Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 5 (850MHz), Band 7 (2600MHz), Band 8 (900MHz), Band 28 (700MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
    TD-LTE network: Band 38 (2570-2620MHz), Band 40 (2300-2400MHz), Band 41 partially (2555-2575 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 300 Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 6)
    Not sure if it helps or hinders the discussion, but compared to the 735 (Verizon exclusive) that my wife recently got:

    GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
    WCDMA Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)

    I don't see anything listed for the 735 that isn't listed for the 950! Suggests to me radio-wise its a go and so just a matter of Verizon allowing the phone on their network?
    (I'm holding out hope and keeping fingers crossed)
    Last edited by GreenScrew; 10-06-2015 at 09:26 PM.
    10-06-2015 09:09 PM
  17. maj71303's Avatar
    Not sure if it helps or hinders the discussion, but compared to the 735 (Verizon exclusive) that my wife recently got:

    GSM network: 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz, 1900MHz
    GSM max data speed DL: EGPRS 296.0kbps
    GSM max data speed UL: EGPRS 236.8kbps
    WCDMA Band 1 (2100 MHz), Band 5 (850 MHz), Band 8 (900 MHz)
    WCDMA max data speed DL: 42.2Mbps (Cat 24)
    WCDMA max data speed UL: 5.76Mbps (Cat 6)
    LTE FDD network: Band 20 (800MHz), Band 3 (1800 MHz), Band 7 (2600 MHz)
    LTE max data speed DL: 150 Mbps (Cat 4)
    LTE max data speed UL: 50 Mbps (Cat 4)

    I don't see anything listed for the 735 that isn't listed for the 950! Suggests to me radio-wise its a go and so just a matter of Verizon allowing the phone on their network?
    (I'm holding out hope and keeping fingers crossed)

    Once again as many have stated don't confuse a GSM phone with WCDMA bands with one that is CDMA that has CDMA bands. You forgot to add this thats listed under the Lumia 735 specifications:


    • CDMA network bands: BC1 (1900 MHz), BC0 (850 MHz)
    • CDMA max data speed DL: Rev 0 /A 2.4 Mbps /3.1 Mbps
    • CDMA max data speed UL: Rev 0 /A 153.2 kbps /1.8 Mbps


    This makes it CDMA carrier capable. So for the last time if you see frequencies listed with CDMA....that is C-D-M-A then you pass go to verizon and sprint(Maybe). But if it only list WCDMA....thats W-C-D-M-A then you go straight to GSM jail, meaning no Verizon or Sprint for you. It's like some of you are so desperate you just see what is really not there.
    10-06-2015 09:48 PM
  18. tangledW's Avatar
    I shared the various Network bands with a Verizon rep today and he said that the 950 XL would work on Verizon's network without any performance loss.
    Interesting, I wonder if they actual knew what they were talking about or just blowing snooker.
    10-06-2015 10:07 PM
  19. AV2RY's Avatar
    If these phones will be unlocked isn't there something (hardware- that MS could have used) that supports all bands at least in the US. I think iPhones have it (might be wrong). People here been discussing Verizon since I watched the presentation. On the other hand I remember ppl hating Verizon for pushing updates too late (Black,Cyan,Denim). I bought my 928 directly from MS store in June/July 2013 (Verizon didnt even have it yet) and from day one used it with Tmobile SIM. Of course I never had LTE but really never wanted it too.

    The only problem I have is I can't send txt msg if I dont switch to 2G. For sometime it was actually working but every update pushed by Nokia and later MS messed up with my txt and internet sharing -IS. IS works now but couldn't fix texting anymore
    10-06-2015 10:13 PM
  20. Sedp23's Avatar
    So glad I left Verizon last year
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    10-06-2015 10:14 PM
  21. maevinj's Avatar
    I shared the various Network bands with a Verizon rep today and he said that the 950 XL would work on Verizon's network without any performance loss.
    I did too, and the rep told me it WOULDN'T work on Verizon. I guess that shows how much the reps know..
    10-07-2015 10:37 AM
  22. realwarder's Avatar
    Once again as many have stated don't confuse a GSM phone with WCDMA bands with one that is CDMA that has CDMA bands. You forgot to add this thats listed under the Lumia 735 specifications:


    • CDMA network bands: BC1 (1900 MHz), BC0 (850 MHz)
    • CDMA max data speed DL: Rev 0 /A 2.4 Mbps /3.1 Mbps
    • CDMA max data speed UL: Rev 0 /A 153.2 kbps /1.8 Mbps


    This makes it CDMA carrier capable. So for the last time if you see frequencies listed with CDMA....that is C-D-M-A then you pass go to verizon and sprint(Maybe). But if it only list WCDMA....thats W-C-D-M-A then you go straight to GSM jail, meaning no Verizon or Sprint for you. It's like some of you are so desperate you just see what is really not there.
    While I totally agree, at some point (5-10 years?) Verizon will switch to 100% LTE with LTE voice over IP etc. That way that can re-task all the CDMA bandwidth to LTE. At that point their network will be easier for global phones to use. But until then, agree. No Verizon.
    10-07-2015 04:02 PM
  23. illidanx's Avatar
    If these phones will be unlocked isn't there something (hardware- that MS could have used) that supports all bands at least in the US. I think iPhones have it (might be wrong). People here been discussing Verizon since I watched the presentation. On the other hand I remember ppl hating Verizon for pushing updates too late (Black,Cyan,Denim). I bought my 928 directly from MS store in June/July 2013 (Verizon didnt even have it yet) and from day one used it with Tmobile SIM. Of course I never had LTE but really never wanted it too.

    The only problem I have is I can't send txt msg if I dont switch to 2G. For sometime it was actually working but every update pushed by Nokia and later MS messed up with my txt and internet sharing -IS. IS works now but couldn't fix texting anymore
    Microsoft could have include CDMA radio in addition to GSM radio, which is what iphone and nexus did, to support all US carriers but they chose not to. Maybe to reduce the cost or because it's in their agreement with AT&T. Either way, it's Microsoft's fault.
    10-07-2015 04:26 PM
  24. illidanx's Avatar
    While I totally agree, at some point (5-10 years?) Verizon will switch to 100% LTE with LTE voice over IP etc. That way that can re-task all the CDMA bandwidth to LTE. At that point their network will be easier for global phones to use. But until then, agree. No Verizon.
    I think that's wishful thinking. Rural US areas may be stuck with CDMA 2G forever.
    10-07-2015 04:27 PM
  25. fiveaces01's Avatar
    will it work with Cricket?
    10-07-2015 06:04 PM
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