11-23-2015 12:15 PM
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  1. Thallanor's Avatar
    Now to some of the bad things. First complaint is not against the phone. I just wished they would of had the 950 on display so I could see the size of it and play around with it. Now on to the phone. First thing I noticed was that the phone was very warm. I am not joking about this at all. Yes I know that the phones have been on all day, plugged in, and being used, but still I was not happy at all. When I first got there one of the two phones was very warm, the other one not so bad. Someone else even mentioned that to a person working there. I mostly used the one that wasn't too warm. Even with this said after playing around with it and testing out the apps and camera etc., the phone heated up very quickly. I came back to the store after at least an hour and played with the phones once again. I went back to the phone I was using before (the one that wasn't very warm when I first got there) and noticed it wasn't warm at all. I wanted to put the phone to the test and see how much it would take to make it warm up and let's just say it didn't take much. I opened the maps app and used the aerial view with 3D and that was easily able to make it start heating it up (yes I know that app is pretty 'heavy' but I was still surprised how fast it warmed up). I do not believe that this heating issue was from too many people using the phone because I was there for a while and not many people were looking at them.
    I imagine that with these processors being known to operate at high temperatures and being pushed by the OS that the liquid cooling and heat plate are doing their jobs. It makes the devices feel warmer in operation, but that's because they're pulling so much heat and dissipating them across the plate inside the phone. So long as it's not uncomfortably warm, I'd say it's worth it for the sake of the phone running fast and not having to throttle itself.

    Just my two cents. :)
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    10-14-2015 01:00 PM
  2. Thallanor's Avatar
    I call BS. The 950 isn't found in any store yet...
    I believe it is Canada-only at the moment. Well, I shouldn't say Canada-only, as I imagine some other countries will receive it. So more specifically, not US yet. :)
    10-14-2015 01:01 PM
  3. Thallanor's Avatar
    Hopefully their "liquid cooling" I have read about will prevent the high temps. Otherwise it will throttle badly. Would like to see some temps of the phone during and after stress tests.
    I think that the heat people are feeling is due to the liquid cooling doing its job and pulling the heat from the processor. I think it'll be fine. :)
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    10-14-2015 01:01 PM
  4. Thallanor's Avatar
    If I came into the store knowing nothing about these devices, I'd take one look at that 950XL, then at the $849.99 (CAN) price tag and laugh my way out the store.
    Hopefully your local store replaces those units because looking nice, $850 isn't out of the question. The 4.7" iPhone 6s is $900 CAD and the 5.5" is $1030 CAD. The iPhone's metal and glass does look more polished, and the app availability is a plus, but when it comes down to it, these prices aren't too out of the ordinary.

    Maybe some stores will sell a package where for $900 they include a nicer back cover - put it on display and sell it like that. People might go for it! Hmm... a metal and glass back cover would be nice, if it didn't affect reception and/or Qi charging.
    10-14-2015 01:05 PM
  5. Thallanor's Avatar
    in my opinion, it's a better thing to by the phone with a carrier at 200$ or less with a 2 year contract then at full price a 849 CAD...

    it's not avery body which have this much money available for a phone...
    If you do not require 950/950XL-specific features, the 550 might work for you. At $150 unlocked, it's a sweet deal. Worse comes to worse, maybe the 550, and then sock away a few dollars each month? That, combined with how the costs of these tend to drop faster than their iPhone counterparts mean you might be able to get one sooner than you think, unlocked and off contract. And don't forget how frequently Microsoft has their store deals, especially with their 12 days of Christmas coming up in just a couple months. :)
    10-14-2015 01:08 PM
  6. Thallanor's Avatar
    Nope. Please don't add that cheap red notification light. That's what the Glance feature is for. I don't want the world knowing whether or not I have unanswered notifications.
    Perhaps a pulsing white LED? Dunno, just throwing out ideas. :) And since the LED notification is user-selectable under notifications in W10M, you wouldn't need it for everything - or anything - if you didn't want it.
    10-14-2015 01:09 PM
  7. Thallanor's Avatar
    I was also mainly trying to quickly familiarize myself with W10. The menu is cleaner but now coming from W8.1 it's a little confusing. And because it was a little confusing I couldn't find where Windows Hello was (the phone wasn't locked either).
    I find that when looking for harder-to-find settings that it helps to remember that the new W10M Settings apps allows you to type in what you're looking for and it'll try to find it. I don't have my W10M 1520 near me, but in W10 on my desktop, typing "Hello" suggests "Setup iris sign-in" so it might be similar on W10M. :)
    10-14-2015 01:12 PM
  8. Thallanor's Avatar
    I'm not paying $550-$650 for a phone. Maybe I'm just old, but that $hit is effing insanity to me. I'm really hoping that AT&T will have some kind of deal like they did with the 920, which was $99 with a 2 year contract at launch.
    I believe the whole point of AT&T selling it is that you'll be able to purchase it on-contract, otherwise there would be no advantage of purchasing it through them instead of just buying an unlocked one from Microsoft.
    10-14-2015 01:13 PM
  9. Cyril Richard's Avatar
    Honestly, I have no idea. I do know that I would have more than likely been under contract regardless, and whether or not my payment would have been cheaper had I purchased the phone separately, I can't say. I've always been under the impression that the carriers are subsidizing the manufacturers to make the insanely expensive phones more affordable to the consumer.
    I can't say for sure for the US, but in the UK and in France, every single time I've ran comparisons between the total price of the phone+subscription, buying the phone unlocked (and take a less expensive phone-free contract) came out cheaper. Sometimes slightly cheaper, most of the time a lot cheaper. It's easy to do your calculations, I'd advise you to do it before changing your phone. With carriers "subsidies" you just take an expensive credit. Alternatively, as some have said, you can probably use a credit card or find a cheap consumer credit (someone said Paypal, I don't know about their 6 month interest)free credit but it's worth a look) to spread the cost of the phone a bit without being locked into a carrier - so you can take advantage of future plans of your or other carriers.
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    10-14-2015 01:16 PM
  10. B T C's Avatar
    I believe the whole point of AT&T selling it is that you'll be able to purchase it on-contract, otherwise there would be no advantage of purchasing it through them instead of just buying an unlocked one from Microsoft.
    My assumption has always been that the phone was a lot cheaper, but I've never actually compared. Until today, I did not know that plan pricing was different if you provided your own device. I just checked their site and AT&T does offer BYOD plans, which they claim can you save you up to $300 per year.
    10-14-2015 01:16 PM
  11. Thallanor's Avatar
    My assumption has always been that the phone was a lot cheaper, but I've never actually compared. Until today, I did not know that plan pricing was different if you provided your own device. I just checked their site and AT&T does offer BYOD plans, which they claim can you save you up to $300 per year.
    I know that purchasing my 1520 outright - my only option since no carriers in Canada sell it - nets me... $10-15 per month, I believe? Of course, that'll vary by carrier.

    As for being cheaper buying there, the upfront cost would be, but over time... I think someone else here did the math already. :) The only other way I could see AT&T offering it cheaper would be if they went the route of the 1520 and sold a model with bits and pieces stripped out, like less storage, no Qi, etc. but I suspect Microsoft will be doing less and less of that as time goes on.
    10-14-2015 01:20 PM
  12. Thallanor's Avatar
    What OS are you using on your 1520? I find it frustrating that in WP8.1, I can use Cortana in Canada, but not in W10M. (Or W10 on the desktop for that matter.) That shouldn't be an issue with the hardware model though, simply the OS settings.
    And of course, I say this just as the latest build of W10M comes out which adds Cortana support in Canada. Oh, the timing...
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    10-14-2015 01:21 PM
  13. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Honestly, I have no idea.
    So... You don't care if you pay MORE as long as you don't know it? P. T. Barnum and US carriers were right.
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    10-14-2015 02:05 PM
  14. B T C's Avatar
    So... You don't care if you pay MORE as long as you don't know it? P. T. Barnum and US carriers were right.
    Thanks for the awesome input.
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    10-14-2015 02:46 PM
  15. narv's Avatar
    What OS are you using on your 1520? I find it frustrating that in WP8.1, I can use Cortana in Canada, but not in W10M. (Or W10 on the desktop for that matter.) That shouldn't be an issue with the hardware model though, simply the OS settings.
    Notes for new OS build released today said Cortana works in Canada now.
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    10-14-2015 02:51 PM
  16. Thallanor's Avatar
    Notes for new OS build released today said Cortana works in Canada now.
    Yup! I responded to my own post with an update - just my luck that right as I posted that, the new build came out. :D It's exciting! I do generally like W10M and using the 950XL at the store the other day reminded me of that. :) I just went back to 8.1 a week or so ago because of a couple bugs. But back to W10M soon! Watched gears never turn? Watched gears always grind? Something like that...
    10-14-2015 02:54 PM
  17. o4komodo's Avatar
    Holy moly you gotta use the multi-quote feature man.

    I find that when looking for harder-to-find settings that it helps to remember that the new W10M Settings apps allows you to type in what you're looking for and it'll try to find it. I don't have my W10M 1520 near me, but in W10 on my desktop, typing "Hello" suggests "Setup iris sign-in" so it might be similar on W10M. :)
    Yeah I found that feature afterword it's very handy and fast.

    What OS are you using on your 1520? I find it frustrating that in WP8.1, I can use Cortana in Canada, but not in W10M. (Or W10 on the desktop for that matter.) That shouldn't be an issue with the hardware model though, simply the OS settings.
    W8.1 on my L1520.3
    I don't know why... all settings are set up for Canadian but Cortana doesn't want to work. Switch it all to USA and it works fine.

    I'm pretty certain that this is how it works on the desktop version of Windows 10 too.
    Haven't used Windows 10 yet either
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    10-14-2015 02:54 PM
  18. Thallanor's Avatar
    Holy moly you gotta use the multi-quote feature man.
    I thought about that afterwards, but by then I had already posted. Whoops! I was generally CTRL-clicking on "Quote" on each post I was interested in responding to, then it sort of got out of control... OUT OF CONTROL!

    W8.1 on my L1520.3
    I don't know why... all settings are set up for Canadian but Cortana doesn't want to work. Switch it all to USA and it works fine.
    Hmm, that _is_ odd. :/ Well, fingers crossed W10M final will work for you.
    10-14-2015 02:59 PM
  19. bugelrex's Avatar
    I guess this is an example of how Apple is different to MS.
    Apple with make sure their demo units are functioning flawlessly so no one gets a negative impression (words spreads quickly). If the software is not ready, they (and most companies) would not dare expose to retail customers.

    MS is trying to be transparent, but they are dropping the ball from a "retail experience" standpoint, this is textbook example of how to NOT sell to "joe public"

    If its not ready, show by appointment only with a sales rep guiding you. Or heaven forbid have the sale staff "check" the demo units are presenting the devices in the best possible light, pull them off the shelf if they are laggy
    10-14-2015 03:01 PM
  20. Noahma's Avatar
    I guess this is an example of how Apple is different to MS.
    Apple with make sure their demo units are functioning flawlessly so no one gets a negative impression (words spreads quickly). If the software is not ready, they (and most companies) would not dare expose to retail customers.

    MS is trying to be transparent, but they are dropping the ball from a "retail experience" standpoint, this is textbook example of how to NOT sell to "joe public"

    If its not ready, show by appointment only with a sales rep guiding you. Or heaven forbid have the sale staff "check" the demo units are presenting the devices in the best possible light, pull them off the shelf if they are laggy
    the rep at my local store made it a point to say that it was using pre-release software and i would find bugs. He stated that the demo units would be updated when they were released for sale. he said the same thing to the others that were looking at them too.
    10-14-2015 03:14 PM
  21. peachy001's Avatar
    I am assuming there is no access to the store in the demo units? There is one true battery/heat test that will expose a problem. The Solitaire test. For some unknown reason, Solitaire uses mire battery than the mains can supply. It is the only app I have known to make my 920 worryingly hot. I invite anyone to use any WP device to play Solitaire and try it. Also, if you can, get it on a 950xl, I want to be sure that the liquid cooling works.
    10-14-2015 03:22 PM
  22. Tyrion L's Avatar
    lets see if my math is good, if not feel free to correct me. its 40.00 / mo. to have a phone on the standard contract. and 15.00/ mo. with a byod. so... on contract you do the 99-199 down and add 960 over the life of the contract. we will use the 99. so thats 1059 over the two years. with byod phone 659 plus 360 for the contract life ( i know, byod is not under contract, keeping things equal) your paying 1019 over the same time saving 40.00

    so, its where you want to put the money, up front or spread out. but the benifits for owning the phone over being locked in a contract are high with me. i will buy the phone outright, especially with the crap at&t pulled with the 830
    So, are you located somewhere other than the US? I have never seen a contract at $40 including a smartphone, or $15 a month if you bring your own device in the US. If you are in the US, where do you get this contract?
    10-14-2015 03:52 PM
  23. Noahma's Avatar
    So, are you located somewhere other than the US? I have never seen a contract at $40 including a smartphone, or $15 a month if you bring your own device in the US. If you are in the US, where do you get this contract?
    I am in Denver.....
    Your making assumptions here. I was stating the monthly cost for the PHONE itself on contract, not including the plan charges taxes and fees. the PHONE on contract with AT&T is 40.00 per month, the PHONE in a bring your own device scenario is only 15.00 per month, then you add in the plan, fees, features ect.

    I have four lines, three are BYOD including my 830, my wifes 1020 is on contract.

    Our plan breaks down thusly
    100.00 mobile share plan with 15gb / mo. (unlimited text and talk)
    15.00 Lumia 635
    15.00 Lumia 830
    15.00 Lumia 920
    40.00 Lumia 1020
    Totaling 185.00 per month without taxes and fees.
    My wife is a university employee and gets a nifty discount here though, which I am not adding.

    So my number crunching was for the PHONE ONLY. not including the plan charges. If I add another phone to the plan on contract they would add 40.00 / month until the contract is up in 24 months, if I added the phone as a BYOD they would only ad 15.00 / month.
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    10-14-2015 04:14 PM
  24. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Thanks for the awesome input.
    Just giv'n you some tough love!
    10-14-2015 04:15 PM
  25. Cyril Richard's Avatar
    I am in Denver.....
    Your making assumptions here. I was stating the monthly cost for the PHONE itself on contract, not including the plan charges taxes and fees. the PHONE on contract with AT&T is 40.00 per month, the PHONE in a bring your own device scenario is only 15.00 per month, then you add in the plan, fees, features ect.
    Because in the US you pay $15 for the phone when you bring your own device, which means you get no phone? Very nice business model, pure genius!
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    10-14-2015 06:19 PM
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