10-12-2015 05:29 PM
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  1. Satyendra Nair's Avatar
    LOL....just because I stated the truth I am a keyboard warrior?

    I own Lumia 1520, Galaxy S6 and Iphone 6s.

    To say WP/W10M have no lag, please explain 'resuming...' and 'loading...'
    Cool story, bro.

    I do not have to explain things to you.

    The loading screens exist. The resuming screens do, too. As far as my experience with WP is concerned, they were reduced to a bare minimum. But each OS has such a performance lag at some point or another in handling its processes.

    Drop it there. :)
    MikeSo likes this.
    10-12-2015 02:02 PM
  2. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    Satish, you need to calm down. People here love Windows. They're just being realistic.
    I don't think so. These people out here fail to acknowledge anything good I said about Windows - camera, display, speed, performance which is in fact true. How can they love Windows?
    10-12-2015 02:07 PM
  3. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    Did you also know that my L1520, which I replaced, always developed bright spots/green spots on the display due to a faulty design, and would never register taps correctly?

    Anyway to answer the original question, no I haven't really noticed any major tech sites being biased against the new Lumias. Sure you cited one example and there's that. But I've seen consistent, good coverage on many tech sites.
    What's your point. You may have received a faulty device. You cannot generalise this.
    10-12-2015 02:09 PM
  4. Satyendra Nair's Avatar
    I don't think so. These people out here fail to acknowledge anything good I said about Windows - camera, display, speed, performance which is in fact true. How can they love Windows?
    Stating the the good things doesn't make the bad things right, does it, Satish? As a platform, W10M has to still develop.
    10-12-2015 02:10 PM
  5. junglescope's Avatar
    I don't think so. These people out here fail to acknowledge anything good I said about Windows - camera, display, speed, performance which is in fact true. How can they love Windows?
    Because other phones have good cameras, displays, and performance also. Plus, they have a huge ecosystem of apps that Windows simply lacks. Not to mention they enjoy broad carrier support and many of them don't come with a slew of hardware problems. When Nokia releases two flagships, and one of them, the 1520, has multiple defects, that just isn't going to cut it.

    Windows Phone has been muddling about for 5 years now with no real progress. Focusing on the already-good things won't change that.
    10-12-2015 02:12 PM
  6. Satyendra Nair's Avatar
    What's your point. You may have received a faulty device. You cannot generalise this.
    How about the screen becoming yellowish on the Lumia 920 and 1020? Dust entering the front camera [L920] through the microphone grilles?
    10-12-2015 02:12 PM
  7. junglescope's Avatar
    What's your point. You may have received a faulty device. You cannot generalise this.
    I can generalize this because these are EXTREMELY well-documented issues affecting a sizable part of L1520 users.

    Please do your research before you spout ignorance!
    10-12-2015 02:14 PM
  8. 920Walker's Avatar
    I don't think so. These people out here fail to acknowledge anything good I said about Windows - camera, display, speed, performance which is in fact true. How can they love Windows?
    The only negatives I've seen in this thread are apps, load / resume and hardware problems, all common issues. No one here is claiming the devices as inferior, they're just being critical of the facts. Devices and their support wouldn't improve if users weren't critical.
    Satyendra Nair likes this.
    10-12-2015 02:16 PM
  9. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    How about the screen becoming yellowish on the Lumia 920 and 1020? Dust entering the front camera [L920] through the microphone grilles?
    Never heard of any such issues. Where ever reviews I saw, L1520 got a thumbs up for its hardware. the only thrashing it got was because of it's software. At least this is my experience.
    10-12-2015 02:17 PM
  10. Jazmac's Avatar
    In spite of being the best in every respect - camera, battery, processing power and display, I wonder as why are most of the techno blogs writing off the new Lumia 950 and 950 XL. The people who use Windows phones, people like us, know that there is no app gap. Then why is this cited as the reason again and again?
    I think that a negative propaganda is floated on the web against Windows phones and we need to FIGHT this. What do you people think?
    I think the people at Windows Central are more biased than these blogs.
    920Walker and libra89 like this.
    10-12-2015 02:21 PM
  11. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    The only negatives I've seen in this thread are apps, load / resume and hardware problems, all common issues. No one here is claiming the devices as inferior, they're just being critical of the facts. Devices and their support wouldn't improve if users weren't critical.
    You are not critical bro. You say that camera of Lumia devices are not good. May be it is not of DSLR quality but it is atleast better than most of the copy cats out there. Most of the reviews accept this. And you say otherwise and then say that you are "critical"? You are turning a strength to weakness. The only thing that will benefit from this is your ego.
    10-12-2015 02:21 PM
  12. 920Walker's Avatar
    You are not critical bro. You say that camera of Lumia devices are not good. May be it is not of DSLR quality but it is atleast better than most of the copy cats out there. Most of the reviews accept this. And you say otherwise and then say that you are "critical"? You are turning a strength to weakness. The only thing that will benefit from this is your ego.
    I never said such a thing in this thread or others. Search my forum posts. There is nothing I've praised more and called world class than Lumia cameras with Pureview, OIS and Zeiss optics. Not reading the rest of the post. Done here.
    10-12-2015 02:36 PM
  13. GSOgymrat's Avatar
    The press I have read has been fairly positive about the new Lumia phones. I do take issue with disparaging comments regarding the polycarbonate backs. Unlike the iPhone and new Samsung phones, the back allows for a removable battery and microSD card. The back is also replaceable with more "premium" options like leather and metal, which were on display but no one seems to mention, or just replaced in case of damage. I consider the removable polycarbonate backs a practical feature that is consistent with Microsoft's focus on performance and productivity. I also consider concerns of limited app selection legitimate, I left Windows Phone due to poor app availability and app support, but that isn't preventing me from ordering a 950 XL.
    MikeSo likes this.
    10-12-2015 03:10 PM
  14. peachy001's Avatar
    I think that tech sites are pretty much stuck in the mindset that WP devices are decent, but we always lose points for ecosystem, which is deserved. I read some really encouraging things following the launch. They smashed it in terms of presentation, but they were always up against it with the phones. I really hope MS considers sending out a spare cover with each review unit, if only to reduce the desire for them to dis the plastic. Bezelwise, I think they are decent, camerwisr well, I have hopes. Rear speaker is an odd one, and I doubt the Surface team would have done that. MS has a bigger worry, and that is the state of the os. The tech sites will not give much ground, and MS needs to double down to ensure there is a decent os for them to appraise. Us here, we can allow it little roughness, but a reviewer won't, and shouldn't. In terms of app gap, the quantity is a red herring. The major issue are the 50 apps that matter. Banking, Snapchat, decent Instagram, Facebook, Tinder, whatsapp, carrier apps, companion apps, hell, even the WC app needs work. Personally, I'm not missing much, but I am not typical of the majority of users. I have no FB account, Twitter account ect. In the UK, my bank has a stunning app. My eBay app is good. Rightmove is gorgeous. But, I suspect that almost none of the reviewers had such minimal app needs.
    MikeSo likes this.
    10-12-2015 03:47 PM
  15. mb-dape's Avatar
    Why do people from India seem so obsessed with Microsoft?
    10-12-2015 03:58 PM
  16. peachy001's Avatar
    As an ecosystem it is important that India, Brazil, Russia and China like WP, they are the big potential markets. Europe seems to like it too.
    10-12-2015 04:04 PM
  17. MikeSo's Avatar
    Why do people from India seem so obsessed with Microsoft?
    I think because Nokia was a popular brand there and in Asia in general (as it was in Europe), and there were Nokia/Microsoft factories there.

    The fact that Nokia virtually disappeared from the US when smartphones entered the marketplace really hurt them more here than elsewhere, where they had a reasonable share of the smartphone market.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    10-12-2015 04:06 PM
  18. Citizen X's Avatar
    The general public in the US want their banking apps, home automation apps, social apps, shopping apps, education apps, health care workers apps, etc. A phone without apps used daily for years is essentially a feature phone to some.
    You sir are a genius. That's the problem. When my bank doesn't have an Windows Phone app then I don't really care if it has Words with Friends.

    And the health care app gap is deadly. The number of doctors, nurses, pharmacists, home health works, etc out there is enormous. And the disposable income of those first three groups is enormous. If I was a device maker I would target all doctors and nurses. That's where the money is. If MSFT was smart they would be hooking up with medical schools and medical app makers and handing out free high quality Windows Phones.

    It's a proven fact that the Lumias have the best cameras of the lot.
    Perhaps not for video.

    But who knows? Since Panos just mumbled the 950 XL "shoots 4k" during his presentation and didn't bother to show or discuss video I guess we can't reach any conclusions.
    920Walker likes this.
    10-12-2015 04:52 PM
  19. MikeSo's Avatar
    You sir are a genius. That's the problem. When my bank doesn't have an Windows Phone app then I don't really care if it has Words with Friends.

    And the health care app gap is deadly. The number of doctors, nurses, pharmacists, home health works, etc out there is enormous. And the disposable income of those first three groups is enormous. If I was a device maker I would target all doctors and nurses. That's where the money is. If MSFT was smart they would be hooking up with medical schools and medical app makers and handing out free high quality Windows Phones.
    I don't know if anyone outside the US can really appreciate the impact that apps have had in these fields and how much the lack of them for Windows Phone hurts Microsoft.

    Same with apps for retail (replacing coupons). I think it's a different culture here for those things.
    920Walker likes this.
    10-12-2015 04:56 PM
  20. peachy001's Avatar
    Must be a US thing.
    10-12-2015 05:19 PM
  21. Citizen X's Avatar
    I don't know if anyone outside the US can really appreciate the impact that apps have had in these fields and how much the lack of them for Windows Phone hurts Microsoft.

    Same with apps for retail (replacing coupons). I think it's a different culture here for those things.
    Yeah. I never watched a product launch until the 950 XL. And what you mention is why I've been so hard on MSFT. People have to understand phones are getting commoditized. And if they are all a commodity why not get the one that has all the apps?

    I got a 1520 because...

    1) Apple didn't have a 6" phone. Now MSFT has killed 6" phones. So no differentiation on that front and in fact we don't even know if at&t will be selling the 950 XL on contract.
    2) It had arguable the best photo and video. I liked the manual controls that were absent on all other phones. I also liked the OIS that was absent on all other phones. I started a thread ranting about video because other phones have caught up as far as OIS and manual controls. If MSFT doesn't say ahead then that is another reason to own the phone eliminated.
    3) Live Tiles. I haven't tried out Windows 10 so for me Live Tiles is still a plus.

    I remember when I got my Lumia 900. It had LTE. Apple didn't. That was huge. My girlfriends phone was useless for surfing the web. I watched Netflix on my Windows Phone... on a train with no wifi.

    I like the 950 XL because...
    1) Continuum. I know a lot on here think it is useless but it is a differentiater and makes me feel justified in my Windows Phone purchase.
    2) Wireless charging. Apple doesn't have this built in.
    3) expandable storage. Apple doesn't have this.

    The problem with the app gap is MSFT has to keep us coming back with other things but if they fall into the trap of merely putting out Samsung clones then they are going to be in a tough spot.

    Long term they have to get the apps. I don't know how long they can keep pulling rabbits out of a hat.
    10-12-2015 05:28 PM
  22. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Since all possible angles have been discussed already, this thread is now closed. Thanks for your participation.
    10-12-2015 05:29 PM
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