12-22-2015 02:56 AM
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  1. r2SN's Avatar
    That's a bit of a turnoff....😞
    10-15-2015 10:37 AM
  2. StevoPhilo's Avatar
    That's a bit of a turnoff....
    I don't think better image quality than the 1020 is a turnoff at all.
    10-15-2015 02:52 PM
  3. TK2011's Avatar
    The 1.9 aperture worries me for the depth of field. I tend to take long shots of vistas quite regularly. More so than low light, no flash.
    You don't seem to understand how DOF works. At this sensor size and lens focal length, f/1.9 will give to infinite DOF as soon as you focus on something beyond couple feet away. i.e. There's nothing to worry about for your landscape photos. Shallow DOF come in only if you focus on something really close.
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    10-15-2015 03:41 PM
  4. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    Camera magic on Microsoft Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL | Microsoft Devices Blog

    Looks too good to be true. Those are all closeups, so leaves me still wonder how landscape shots will look like. But WOW if truly taken with 950/XL camera. Photos look so pure, can't be straight out of phone, can it?
    10-15-2015 06:09 PM
  5. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    It's very exciting. I've been playing with my Lumia 830 since it just now got full Lumia Denim (about freaking time) and I'm very pleased with the improvements and it's a very nice camera but these phones overshadow it JUST a tad (that was sarcasm, these phones are looking to be true camera powerhouses and are starting to make my phone feel it's "mid-range" tag).
    10-15-2015 06:58 PM
  6. majortom1981's Avatar
    wow why not mention that at all. The oversampled picture going to 8 megapixels is a big deal.
    10-15-2015 08:13 PM
  7. r2SN's Avatar
    I don't think better image quality than the 1020 is a turnoff at all.
    Well sure better image quality is always welcome but the turnoff has been due to less shutter speed (limited to 4sec) . I mean for a flagship it should be increased to some higher value seeing that midrange device 730 to 930/1020 and now 950 has the same shutter speed. Especially when higher speeds can help reduce the noise in images in low light/night (considering the use of tripod)
    10-16-2015 05:09 AM
  8. Joey1020's Avatar
    its good to see so much windows phone enthusiasm
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    10-16-2015 06:38 AM
  9. StevoPhilo's Avatar
    Well sure better image quality is always welcome but the turnoff has been due to less shutter speed (limited to 4sec) . I mean for a flagship it should be increased to some higher value seeing that midrange device 730 to 930/1020 and now 950 has the same shutter speed. Especially when higher speeds can help reduce the noise in images in low light/night (considering the use of tripod)
    Oh I get it. I do photography as well, but there comes a point where if you're going to bring a tripod you're going to bring a DSLR. I love the 1020 as a point and shoot with awesome quality, but I can't compare it to my A6000. It'd be nice to have, but I don't have steady hands and I definitely don't carry a tripod all the time.
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    10-16-2015 03:39 PM
  10. r2SN's Avatar
    Oh I get it. I do photography as well, but there comes a point where if you're going to bring a tripod you're going to bring a DSLR. I love the 1020 as a point and shoot with awesome quality, but I can't compare it to my A6000. It'd be nice to have, but I don't have steady hands and I definitely don't carry a tripod all the time.
    One day will get my own SLR but right now as a student will have to work with the phone especially when I can pretty much experiment with all camera controls leaving aperture and learn most of the photography techniques using the "Lumia"...☺. Well for the case of tripod +shutter speed that is required cause I am really getting hooked to night/stars photography sooo...
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    10-16-2015 05:30 PM
  11. RumoredNow's Avatar
    You don't seem to understand how DOF works. At this sensor size and lens focal length, f/1.9 will give to infinite DOF as soon as you focus on something beyond couple feet away. i.e. There's nothing to worry about for your landscape photos. Shallow DOF come in only if you focus on something really close.
    Based on my experiences comparing the 1520 @ f/2.4 vs the 928 @ f/2.0 (and an 830 @ f/2.2), there was a very noticeable softening in long shots when comparing side by side. I can't find the spec on 950 XL, but am assuming the same 26mm focal length...

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/dev...-vs-830-a.html
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    10-16-2015 11:31 PM
  12. TK2011's Avatar
    Based on my experiences comparing the 1520 @ f/2.4 vs the 928 @ f/2.0 (and an 830 @ f/2.2), there was a very noticeable softening in long shots when comparing side by side. I can't find the spec on 950 XL, but am assuming the same 26mm focal length...

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/dev...-vs-830-a.html
    Well, sensor size is different so aperture value alone is not directly indicative of relative DOF. OK, let's do the numbers:

    L1520:
    Sensor size = 1/2.5" ---> 35mm crop factor = 6 ---> Circle of Confusion (CoC) = 0.00444
    Lens focal length in 35mm equiv. = 26mm ---> actual focal length = 26/6 = 4.3mm
    Lens aperture = f/2.4
    Punch in above numbers to DOF calculator and you get hyperfocal distance of 5.7 feet.
    In other words, if you focus on something 5.7 feet away, everything from 2.85 ft to infinity should be in focus.

    L928:
    Sensor size = 1/3.2" ---> 35mm crop factor = 7.7 ---> Circle of Confusion (CoC) = 0.00346
    Lens focal length in 35mm equiv. = 26mm ---> actual focal length = 26/7.7 = 3.38mm
    Lens aperture = f/2.0
    Punch in above numbers to DOF calculator and you get hyperfocal distance of 5.4 feet.
    In other words, if you focus on something 5.4 feet away, everything from 2.7 ft to infinity should be in focus.

    Numbers tell me it's actually slightly easier to achieve infinite DOF with the 928 than with the 1520. My guess is that the sharpness difference for distance subject that you mention is probably due to some other factors such as L928's lens performance shortcoming, user error in selecting focus point, and/or camera autofocus SW issue.

    For L950/XL, I don't have the lens focal length, but if we were to assume the same 35mm-equivalent focal length of 26mm, we should get hyperfocal distance of about 7.6 feet. So, yes, it's a bit further out but not by much.
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    10-17-2015 03:44 AM
  13. batab's Avatar
    Well, sensor size is different so aperture value alone is not directly indicative of relative DOF. OK, let's do the numbers:

    L1520:
    Sensor size = 1/2.5" ---> 35mm crop factor = 6 ---> Circle of Confusion (CoC) = 0.00444
    Lens focal length in 35mm equiv. = 26mm ---> actual focal length = 26/6 = 4.3mm
    Lens aperture = f/2.4
    Punch in above numbers to DOF calculator and you get hyperfocal distance of 5.7 feet.
    In other words, if you focus on something 5.7 feet away, everything from 2.85 ft to infinity should be in focus.

    L928:
    Sensor size = 1/3.2" ---> 35mm crop factor = 7.7 ---> Circle of Confusion (CoC) = 0.00346
    Lens focal length in 35mm equiv. = 26mm ---> actual focal length = 26/7.7 = 3.38mm
    Lens aperture = f/2.0
    Punch in above numbers to DOF calculator and you get hyperfocal distance of 5.4 feet.
    In other words, if you focus on something 5.4 feet away, everything from 2.7 ft to infinity should be in focus.

    Numbers tell me it's actually slightly easier to achieve infinite DOF with the 928 than with the 1520. My guess is that the sharpness difference for distance subject that you mention is probably due to some other factors such as L928's lens performance shortcoming, user error in selecting focus point, and/or camera autofocus SW issue.

    For L950/XL, I don't have the lens focal length, but if we were to assume the same 35mm-equivalent focal length of 26mm, we should get hyperfocal distance of about 7.6 feet. So, yes, it's a bit further out but not by much.
    for L950/XL you still have 26mm focal length so your calculation is ok. And the sensor size is 1/2.46" to be accurate.
    10-17-2015 08:33 AM
  14. Blacklac's Avatar
    They seemed to be pretty proud of the post processing this time. Big change from the 1020 and 1520/930 releases. Yes, they got better over time, but they still were rough at times, color processing, over exposing, etc...

    Posted via Note 4/Nexus 7 (2013)/Lumia 1020/ Lumia 2520
    10-17-2015 10:41 AM
  15. Rodrigo Mendes's Avatar
    Not sure yet, the phone is not in the hands of many people besides the reviewers... Once the phone is released then maybe we'll know for sure.

    The ICON/930, is not a true 20mb camera as it cant take a full 20mp picture, just a 15/16mb picture (don't remember the exact numbers), if the 950 can take a true 20mp camera, then it might be hair better.

    Anyway about it, the 929/930's camera is very impressive, if it's going to be better, maybe by a little, not by a ton.....
    No, mate, Lumia 930 have 20MPX. You have to choose 4:3 format for reach 20MPX pictures, but most of people use 16:9 format.

    Anyway, aparently Lumia 950 have a lower aperture size, but that's not quality guarantee. Theoretically can take more brighter pictures on the dark. Not always better.

    Lumia 950 have three leds and each led have a different color to make skin tone more natural. That's a HUGE improvement compared to 930.

    Probably Lumia 950 would be a much better camera than 930 at night and sightly at day. But if Lumia 950 have the same post process problem that Lumia 830 and Lumia 930 have, would not be a better camera at all.

    Hope Microsoft have a better camera team than Nokia or at least remember their good old days (808 and Nokia N8).
    10-17-2015 04:35 PM
  16. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Numbers tell me it's actually slightly easier to achieve infinite DOF with the 928 than with the 1520. My guess is that the sharpness difference for distance subject that you mention is probably due to some other factors such as L928's lens performance shortcoming, user error in selecting focus point, and/or camera autofocus SW issue.
    Yes - it is important to remember that theory and practice frequently diverge and the lens is not isolated in a pure state, but utilized concurrently with firmware.

    I had a chance to play with a 950 XL briefly at a Microsoft Store. My fears were not entirely put to rest with the longest shots I could manage in that environment.
    10-24-2015 09:16 PM
  17. Kissanviikset's Avatar


    If really from 950, then looks like it beats every phone camera out there currently. OIS looks greatly improved. No more wobbling from corners of video. Autofocus looks really good and colours are amazing and no visible noise. Really crisp image.
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    11-02-2015 09:42 AM
  18. rafal soboczynski's Avatar
    Not sure yet, the phone is not in the hands of many people besides the reviewers... Once the phone is released then maybe we'll know for sure.

    The ICON/930, is not a true 20mb camera as it cant take a full 20mp picture, just a 15/16mb picture (don't remember the exact numbers), if the 950 can take a true 20mp camera, then it might be hair better.

    Anyway about it, the 929/930's camera is very impressive, if it's going to be better, maybe by a little, not by a ton.....
    Photo quality depends on much more than just resolution so your statement is invalid
    Last edited by rafal soboczynski; 11-02-2015 at 10:14 AM.
    11-02-2015 09:58 AM
  19. tphg's Avatar
    I have expressed some of my ideas about Microsoft's problem here:
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...ml#post3350534
    12-22-2015 02:56 AM
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