10-30-2015 01:19 AM
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  1. Jakoh's Avatar
    I looked at both the images on two side by side HP Compaq LA2405wg monitors side by side at work. My personal preference is the Lumia 950XL picture. The S6 is a bit too bright IMO. Also the detail is a bit more tangible with the 950XL picture. I think a quick edit of the 950XL picture should actually adjust the lighting correctly.
    Hence the new feature, adjustable exposure.
    10-14-2015 01:30 PM
  2. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Exposure and white balance seems more accurate on the Lumia.
    The photo looks yellow, if you think that looks accurate then I don't know what to say.
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    10-14-2015 01:40 PM
  3. Krystianpants's Avatar
    The XL does look more clear to me. The Edge seems to do better with colour accuracy.
    If you look at the table to the right of the girl it looks a lot more grainy/sandy on the edge while on the XL it looks a bit better. But yah there was an article that they are still working on camera algorithms and all that jazz. So we can't truly compare till the final product is ready. Hope it's ready for the reviews people will be doing on tech sites.
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    10-14-2015 02:13 PM
  4. jdballard's Avatar
    The first one seems to have more accurate color. My guess is that's the edge.
    Looking at the metadata, the first is the S6 Edge.
    10-14-2015 03:09 PM
  5. anthonyng's Avatar
    but i also noticed this:
    Shutter speed used on s6 = 1/40, which is good amount of light.
    Shutter speed used on 950xl = 1/120.

    if this is all auto, i would say the s6 took the better decision, as this situation is better shot at 1/40, maybe a bit less too, 1/120 is fast, thus would require higher ISO (sense this is a fixed aperture), which then affects the overall quality of color and sharpness..etc., but maybe iso was roughly the same, as it is obvious first picture is brighter, which kinda indicates that the xl did not bump the iso that much.
    This one is important, should be shooting at exact same conditions.

    The 1.9 lens will always make things a bit soft I believe? I unless software processing can fix it really well.

    Thanks to @HiroEX for doing the test!
    10-14-2015 04:35 PM
  6. anon(5841099)'s Avatar
    The photo looks yellow, if you think that looks accurate then I don't know what to say.
    Warmer white balance does not equal a wrong white balance. The warmer tone seems to fit the lighting situation that I have seen in stores like these, but once again... You can say very little from these two quick snapshots and a lot will depend on personal taste as well. Either way, if you don't like the warm tone, take the RAW file and set the white balance a bit cooler, problem solved.

    I will wait for the proper reviews, especially the one from GSM Arena, they always seem to do a good job. DPReview Connect will also be interesting.
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    10-14-2015 05:32 PM
  7. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    I believe Lumia has more accurate white balance but is slightly under exposed. S6 is quite bit overexposed and looks bleached and bland but have way better details. Lumia shot have same watercolourish processing which 920 suffered at initial launch, where edges bleed on high contras areas, like white text on that blue background. Samsung have much better processing.

    Hopefully that isn't final software or i'm hugely disappointed. There's nothing on that photo that no other highend smartphone can achieve.
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    10-14-2015 05:50 PM
  8. Jazmac's Avatar
    The first one seems to have more accurate color. My guess is that's the edge. His shirt looks more green in the second pic.. Well teal.
    I think the Lumia's pics look warmer and more finished. The S6 ain't bad either but my preference is a more warm tone.
    10-14-2015 09:24 PM
  9. 7a2eer's Avatar
    You couldn't hold the S6 edge steady? :P
    The exposure time looks to be longer on the S6.

    Overall their stills look good. RIP Nokia 808
    10-14-2015 09:36 PM
  10. falconrap's Avatar
    The thing with detail, is the 950XL looked to be focused on the middle of the photo area. Look at the store across the mall and its sign marquee is very sharp and detailed. You really need both cameras to be set to the same settings and manually focused on specific areas to see how they do. But it does look like the 950XL's auto produces a more pleasing photo; i.e. no harsh blow-out of the lighting like the Edge had.

    When it comes down to it, the 950XL has the better sensor, optics, and OIS. The rest is software and the 950XL's isn't final yet, so we have to wait and see the end results in a real comparison.
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    10-14-2015 09:53 PM
  11. Shobin Drogan's Avatar
    Both look pretty similar, 950 has a deeper contrast, but really I wouldn't go out of my way just to get either one based on camera quality alone. Pretty disappointing, but not surprising, a small part of me did wanted the 950 to blow everything away on image quality but the image here clearly says that's definitely not the case.
    10-14-2015 11:55 PM
  12. Jazmac's Avatar
    Both look pretty similar, 950 has a deeper contrast, but really I wouldn't go out of my way just to get either one based on camera quality alone. Pretty disappointing, but not surprising, a small part of me did wanted the 950 to blow everything away on image quality but the image here clearly says that's definitely not the case.
    You mean, "to you". And that's OK.
    I don't know of a camera phone today that's a bad picture anymore. Some are noticeably better but none I've seen in the last couple years at least, are not what I would describe as a bad shot. There are good shots, really good shots and great ones and IMHO, the 950XL in this case and in the hands of this amateur photog, took a really great shot. I don't know what you call blown out of the water type shots but I still think that honor belongs to an SLR camera in the hands of a professional photog.
    10-15-2015 12:15 AM
  13. HiroEX's Avatar
    Hey I just added some raws, and a couple more pics to the original post.
    One thing I thought I'd throw out there. I'm positive you could get amazing shots with either of these phones. The 950xl seems like a very solid device, and if I wasn't so early in my contract with my s6, and it was available on verizon, I would probably get the 950 or 950xl. They seem to have done a great job improving their shot to shot performance, and WP is just a really nice OS. These camera's across the board seem to be hitting a plateau, and I think until some device manufacturer decides to think a bit more outside the box, we are all stuck with surprisingly good cameras in our phones no matter which device you get.
    10-15-2015 12:52 AM
  14. Iain_S's Avatar
    both take good pictures, but my icon takes better pictures than my s6 edge. I would imagine when all the software and algorithms are done the 950's will be much better than most.
    10-15-2015 02:09 AM
  15. TK2011's Avatar
    They are very close. While I personally like the exposure level and color saturation of the 950XL here, auto exposure and white balance variations are normal and we can't say one is better than the other just looking at this set. Also, Lumia here has less ISO noise while its noise reduction seems to mess up some details here and there. Or it could be due to the Rich Capture like someone said earlier? Hard to tell. Anyway, I would say it's too close to call and both seem to be very good. Note that the Edge camera is rated among the very best (better than iPhone 6S), so it's a pretty good start for a beta software.
    10-15-2015 04:05 AM
  16. TK2011's Avatar
    Hey I just added some raws, and a couple more pics to the original post.
    One thing I thought I'd throw out there. I'm positive you could get amazing shots with either of these phones. The 950xl seems like a very solid device, and if I wasn't so early in my contract with my s6, and it was available on verizon, I would probably get the 950 or 950xl. They seem to have done a great job improving their shot to shot performance, and WP is just a really nice OS. These camera's across the board seem to be hitting a plateau, and I think until some device manufacturer decides to think a bit more outside the box, we are all stuck with surprisingly good cameras in our phones no matter which device you get.
    Your DNG file in LR6 gives a bit different blue color (e.g. big screen on wall). Looks like the color calibration is a bit off between MS's jpeg processing and LR's RAW processing. I suspect the jpeg file's color is more accurate so that means either MS's DNG encoding or LR's DNG handling is a bit off.
    10-15-2015 04:13 AM
  17. Kissanviikset's Avatar
    Checked out those RAW images and nothing wrong with them. All details are there but processing is here to blame. S6 uses very little processing compared to Lumia where details are crushed due bad noise reduction algorithms. Less is more in my opinion.
    10-15-2015 05:25 AM
  18. TechFreak1's Avatar
    first is the xl i believe, I like the second picture more even tho id agree with you that the first has better color.
    All photos taken with Lumia Camera have WP_ and _Pro designations on photos.

    Interesting to say the least and just like Guzzler3,

    I can't say which one is more accurate, because I wasn't there to compare.
    However this is not a fair comparison at all:unfair-comparison.png

    As you can see, one is with flash the other without, the settings are not even the same. A fair test would've been to ensure both phones have the same settings at the very least.

    Checked out those RAW images and nothing wrong with them. All details are there but processing is here to blame. S6 uses very little processing compared to Lumia where details are crushed due bad noise reduction algorithms. Less is more in my opinion.
    Did you look at the file properties?

    I cannot take any comparison seriously between two devices when one is using flash and the other is not. Not to mention the iso and exposure values are not even comparable.

    Edit: looks like I should've read through the thread oops lol.
    Last edited by TechFreak1; 10-15-2015 at 05:41 AM.
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    10-15-2015 05:27 AM
  19. SwimSwim's Avatar
    The S6's picture is overly bright and inaccurate (inside of a MS store is never THAT bright). While it has a wider field of focus in this picture, the details are softer when you zoom in than the 950's picture. The 950 looks more accurate on the colors, with a touch of oversaturation, but with finer details when you zoom in. I would say the 950's picture is overall better, but the algorithm's could use a little less color pop.
    Have to agree. Everyone said the second shot was the S6 and I was disappointed because I was thinking, "Wow, the 950 is EXTREMELY washed out. The second photo looks really good, the first looks so, ugh."

    Now that I'm hearing that the second shot hails from the 950, that's fantastic news! The shot looks pretty good, and the store models are running older software (The demo WC video has a Windows Camera build supposedly quite a few builds ahead). Looks like it can only get better from here. :)
    10-15-2015 10:04 AM
  20. taymur's Avatar
    The XL does look more clear to me. The Edge seems to do better with colour accuracy.
    If you look at the table to the right of the girl it looks a lot more grainy/sandy on the edge while on the XL it looks a bit better. But yah there was an article that they are still working on camera algorithms and all that jazz. So we can't truly compare till the final product is ready. Hope it's ready for the reviews people will be doing on tech sites.
    i think you got the two pictures confused. as its the other way around.
    10-15-2015 10:10 AM
  21. Krystianpants's Avatar
    i think you got the two pictures confused. as its the other way around.
    No, the properties prove it. Plus the XL one has WP_ in the name which is obviously Windows Phone.

    And the propeties also show the pics were not taken equally so it doesn't really matter at this point. The lumia once the algorithms are set and everything is fine will look better. I know cuz my lumia 830 looks insanely good using lumia camera while on the MS camera the pics turn out bad.
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    10-15-2015 10:37 AM
  22. HiroEX's Avatar
    Ack thank you for noticing that, didnt even realize the flash went off on that first set! I know people want a thorough comparison of the two, and I really wasn't trying to do that. I just stopped by the store and wanted to see how to two compared side by side as if I was just taking a quick shot. It's an easy stop for me to check them out so I figured I'd share my extremely unscientific side by side. I really hope I'm not somehow doing a disservice to the wp devices, as they are surprisingly nice in person.
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    10-15-2015 10:47 AM
  23. 920Walker's Avatar
    I really hope I'm not somehow doing a disservice to the wp devices, as they are surprisingly nice in person.
    No way, I thank you for taking the time to try out the new phone's camera and post the photos online for all to see. Please don't be hard on yourself. Again, thank you.
    10-15-2015 11:06 AM
  24. psiu_glen's Avatar
    It's also worth it to see what the cameras do on their own. Plenty of people out there who leave them on auto and snap away.

    Fiddling with settings (let alone, fiddling with settings ahead of time, knowing what the settings do, being fast at changing things, etc) is something not many people are going to do.

    Let alone pixel peeping or even bothering to hold the phone steady and level, crop it later, do any image quality adjustments, etc etc etc....

    :P

    Good to know what the phone will do on its own for them.
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    10-15-2015 01:07 PM
  25. Con Georgiadis's Avatar
    The results from Lumia 950 are not good...because what you see is not a PureView image..
    10-15-2015 01:16 PM
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