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  1. MiloTheOne's Avatar
    Has anyone actually tested both phones to see what the hardware difference may be? I don't believe MSFT would make a mistake and exclude key software features like Apple did with Siri.
    11-11-2015 09:55 AM
  2. Skyway's Avatar
    300ppi is the sweet spot and much above is a waste. OLED is too garish.

    It's trendy like a mochacapalattechino though so everyone goes to it from display OEMs to phone manufacturers to reviewers to consumers.

    It's like the 4k vid my 1520 will capture. I don't need it for goofing around and I don't have a 4k screen to play it on.

    That's where the convergence is. Make the phone display 4k because that is probably the only 4k screen most users will have on which to play their 4k video of baby Sally's first spit-up.
    I hear ya, these screens are super high res for such a small size. But it looks like they are here to stay. The Z5 premium does have a 4k display, and I definitely see that becoming the norm, maybe next year? 2017?

    People are going to be really thankful they have these 4k videos when 4k tvs have saturated the market and there's not enough content.
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    11-11-2015 09:58 AM
  3. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    At no point did anyone say anything about not being able to tell the difference.
    My bad.

    The point is whether or not the difference matters in any real meaningful way. Is it worth the loss of battery life and performance?
    Yes.

    At what point do people want to make a reasonable trade-off? If you made people choose between longer battery life/better performance with a great screen, and less of the former but with a marginally better screen, which do you think people would choose?
    I, personally, would choose the higher pixel density because image quality and clarity is king to me, over battery life. Maybe I'm not people?

    Any idea what your PPI is on your desktop screen right now? I'm guessing you probably don't, and don't care.
    You would be right in that I don't know the PPI, you would be wrong in thinking that resolution wasn't my number one priority when I bought these monitors in 2010. I spent over $3,000 on these 3 beautiful 2560x1600 monitors because at the time they were the highest resolution monitors I could get. So, yes, I would say pixel density/screen resolution is very important to me. I haven't replaced them with 4K's yet simply because I can't afford to :P I would kill to have a 300ppi setup for my desktop, it would make staring at pixels in photoshop or vertices in Maya all day much more comfortable.

    Most would fall into that category.
    A significant enough portion of people want high quality screens and monitors on their devices for it to be a major manufacturing priority, so I'd actually gather that you guys are in the minority.

    I don't know what you do, but I'm a digital artist and I stare at pixels all day. Image quality is a significant quality of life factor for me, not some buzzword from a fruit vendor. Why someone would intentionally want anything LESS than print quality ppi is beyond me. I mean, I get your argument... performance is more important to you... I get it, and understand it, but I can't relate. Resolution is the main reason I game on my PC and not on my Xbox One or PS4. More pixels in a smaller space. The guy I'm staring at who is 100yds away from me is one pixel large on my 1080P Bravia on the Xbox. On the same game at the same distance on my PC, I can tell if he shaved that morning or not.

    We can stop at 300ppi, but 300ppi should be every manufacturers minimum baseline. That is the pixel density of the future, when you stop thinking about the screen and start believing that you are touching living images, like a book in Harry Potter or the controls on the bridge of the Starship Enterprise.
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    11-11-2015 11:03 AM
  4. Musicman247's Avatar
    My wife would be in the ppi > performance camp as well. She asked for a new phone, and the top two things she wanted were "A better screen, and a good camera". She also commented, "I don't know why, but iPhone screens always look so good compared to everything else." She had a L635 at the time. She now has a 640 and is much happier.
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    11-11-2015 11:14 AM
  5. oldpueblo's Avatar
    My bad.



    Yes.



    I, personally, would choose the higher pixel density because image quality and clarity is king to me, over battery life. Maybe I'm not people?



    You would be right in that I don't know the PPI, you would be wrong in thinking that resolution wasn't my number one priority when I bought these monitors in 2010. I spent over $3,000 on these 3 beautiful 2560x1600 monitors because at the time they were the highest resolution monitors I could get. So, yes, I would say pixel density/screen resolution is very important to me. I haven't replaced them with 4K's yet simply because I can't afford to :P I would kill to have a 300ppi setup for my desktop, it would make staring at pixels in photoshop or vertices in Maya all day much more comfortable.



    A significant enough portion of people want high quality screens and monitors on their devices for it to be a major manufacturing priority, so I'd actually gather that you guys are in the minority.

    I don't know what you do, but I'm a digital artist and I stare at pixels all day. Image quality is a significant quality of life factor for me, not some buzzword from a fruit vendor. Why someone would intentionally want anything LESS than print quality ppi is beyond me. I mean, I get your argument... performance is more important to you... I get it, and understand it, but I can't relate. Resolution is the main reason I game on my PC and not on my Xbox One or PS4. More pixels in a smaller space. The guy I'm staring at who is 100yds away from me is one pixel large on my 1080P Bravia on the Xbox. On the same game at the same distance on my PC, I can tell if he shaved that morning or not.

    We can stop at 300ppi, but 300ppi should be every manufacturers minimum baseline. That is the pixel density of the future, when you stop thinking about the screen and start believing that you are touching living images, like a book in Harry Potter or the controls on the bridge of the Starship Enterprise.
    I get it, you like pretty screens. I do too. Once again, MOST people would choose better battery life/performance with a pretty screen over JUST a pretty screen where they barely even notice the difference. By having a highres screen you are actually giving up something else. And the ROI just really isn't there. Just to be clear I'm glad they put the highres in the phone, because as stated before the industry "says" it has to be there to be a flagship phone and I don't want it to start further behind the competition right out of the gate. But it doesn't have to be there. You bring up Harry Potter and that brings up a great example. The books are terrible from a plot/writing perspective when you compare it to actual good authors and good series. But popularity usually doesn't go hand in hand with "the best". :P So here we have highres screens on phones that aren't necessary, because it's popular. If PPI always mattered 100%, then you wouldn't be settling for a "mere 147" on your desktop. There is a threshold called "good enough" that works for most people. I'm glad you can afford nice toys, I can too. But not everyone can and I know my parents would really just prefer to have longer battery life. :)
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    11-11-2015 12:30 PM
  6. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    ...my parents would really just prefer to have longer battery life. :)
    My father and mother both have iPhone 6s's and love the screen, but that's neither here nor there. Your parents can buy the 640XL if they want a low-rez screen. It's pretty dang cheap now, too.

    As for the rest of your argument, It hinges on the concept of you being the one that knows what 'most people' desire, and sorry, I don't believe that you actually have that knowledge. I suspect you are guessing I also suspect you aren't really reading what I'm saying, but it is the internet so I guess that is to be expected.

    And my hardware aren't toys. They are tools.
    11-11-2015 12:51 PM
  7. Petru Moldovan's Avatar
    3 pages almost completely out of topic.

    First of all you keep your phone at some 30-40 cm from your eyes and your monitor at some 60-120cm, so obviously you need a much better DPI for the phone to have the same experience (close to far experience).

    Secondly I think that the XL has a bigger battery because of the CPU, not because the bigger display (I don't think bigger pixels on AMOLED will consume more power). I think that the XL will be better on compressing images and making better movies so you will probably use those features because they will work and those will use more power.

    Ant third XL is wider then 650 only with some 5.2 mm (it does not matter how tall it is) and is 1mm thinner. 73.2 mm (2.88 in) is too wide for me, so the difference does not matter because both are hard to handle with a singe hand from my point of view and at least the bigger is better to read books, watch videos and play games with both hands.
    11-11-2015 02:25 PM
  8. Muessig's Avatar
    Let's keep everything on topic here; keep the chat related to the OP everyone.
    11-11-2015 02:38 PM
  9. IdleMind's Avatar
    950XL. Just hope that AT&T eventually picks it up.
    Looking at the comparison, there is no FM tuner on the 950, only the 950XL. I actually use the FM tuner. Gotta have it.
    That and the 5.7" screen win me over.
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    11-11-2015 03:21 PM
  10. Skyway's Avatar
    I don't know why they didn't just make both the exact same except for screen sizes. To me, that would be the way to do it, people just need to pick what size device they want. Just seems silly.
    11-11-2015 03:45 PM
  11. jmajid's Avatar
    I don't know why they didn't just make both the exact same except for screen sizes. To me, that would be the way to do it, people just need to pick what size device they want. Just seems silly.
    like i said somewhere else on here... they are doing A/B testing on us... readying for the surface phone :)
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    11-11-2015 03:47 PM
  12. Skyway's Avatar
    like i said somewhere else on here... they are doing A/B testing on us... readying for the surface phone :)
    Well they could do the exact same thing with the surface phone. Make a smaller screened version and then an identical larger screened version. There seems to be enough people who want both, just look at the iphones and galaxy's.
    11-11-2015 03:56 PM
  13. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I don't know why they didn't just make both the exact same except for screen sizes. To me, that would be the way to do it, people just need to pick what size device they want. Just seems silly.
    Personally, I'm not a fan of the X and X+ or Xmini style of pumping out devices.

    640 and 640XL have differentiators beside screen size and battery (huge difference in camera). I'm happy to see that trend continue.
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    11-11-2015 07:22 PM
  14. jmajid's Avatar
    Well they could do the exact same thing with the surface phone. Make a smaller screened version and then an identical larger screened version. There seems to be enough people who want both, just look at the iphones and galaxy's.
    what i was referring to was the almost identical hardware specs but different placement and looks of the camera/flash/ring
    i wonder if this isnt a marketing test to gauge the public acceptance of either...
    i prefer 950XL look over the ring around the 950 camera
    11-12-2015 06:51 AM
  15. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Well, we did get the Lumia 920 Pentaband version with Rogers which is almost unique in the world lol. But yeah I think it's GG4 for both.
    11-12-2015 07:19 AM
  16. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Personally, I'm not a fan of the X and X+ or Xmini style of pumping out devices.

    640 and 640XL have differentiators beside screen size and battery (huge difference in camera). I'm happy to see that trend continue.
    For me, I feel nobody should have to be forced to get a device of a certain size just to get certain features. Someone should be able to pick the size their hands/pockets/car mounts need but not sacrifice features they want.
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    11-12-2015 09:53 AM
  17. Captpt's Avatar
    For me, I feel nobody should have to be forced to get a device of a certain size just to get certain features. Someone should be able to pick the size their hands/pockets/car mounts need but not sacrifice features they want.
    Agreed but that's the lure used to tempt you to spend a few more $$..
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    11-12-2015 10:05 AM
  18. tedj101's Avatar
    I'm on T-mobile, so it's the 950 xl for me. The "you'll have to pay $650 up front" argument is misleading, by the way. If you have a credit card, you have the ability to buy it now and pay later, just like at a carrier. You might even save money on the deal if you pay it off over six months instead of 24.
    You would do even better to get a line of credit on your house, if you have one. Then the interest would be MUCH lower and it would be tax deductible.

    <TED>
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    11-12-2015 10:26 AM
  19. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Agreed but that's the lure used to tempt you to spend a few more $$..
    The lure should be about more features though, not size. Let's say I'm filthy rich but also a petite girl. No way the XL fits in my pants pockets so I'm stuck with only the slower/less feature filled device? I think MS really did well this time keeping them mostly identical but with small tweaks to differentiate them. It's refreshing after a long gap where the Lumia 920 had every feature, but then every Lumia phone afterwards was missing something and you had to choose what you were going to lose. I love my 930, but I don't have glance and I miss it. I could see nothing missing on these new ones, the 920 is reborn!
    11-12-2015 10:47 AM
  20. avi_920's Avatar
    Can anyone confirm if both phones come with gorilla glass 4?
    11-12-2015 12:23 PM
  21. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    For me, I feel nobody should have to be forced to get a device of a certain size just to get certain features. Someone should be able to pick the size their hands/pockets/car mounts need but not sacrifice features they want.
    Nobody is forced. They can do without. Its no different than not being able to get Adaptive Cruise in a particular car without paying for a sunroof you hate but feel free to substitute any combination you can't get just part of.

    The market is such that if something will make money "they" will do it. But in the car example, the car maker knows that a lot of people will pay for both anyway. And others would be put off by having to make a bunch of individual choices and want just a few packages to choose from. Still others may walk if they were separate because hubby wants Adaptive only and wife wants roof only and it becomes a power play. Dealers don't like customers walking because THEIR inventory doesn't include the exact option combos buyers want; the fewer combinations that exist, the more likely of having a particular combination within the x cars on the lot. And the roof and the cruise will each add LESS to the price of the car if bundled just because there will be more of each and the unit costs drop. Lots and lots and lots of reasons for why you can just buy a 950 and a 950XL and not some combinations of variables between them.

    Rest assured that if Microsoft thought they would make more money with MORE options, they would be doing that. We can wish but not expect any company to decide to do something unless they believe it is likely to increase profits.
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    11-12-2015 03:47 PM
  22. Captpt's Avatar
    Can anyone confirm if both phones come with gorilla glass 4?
    Yes they do... Look under Tech Specs/Display.. Only reason I posted the 950 is rumors the 950 was getting GG3, 950XL was always spec'd with GG4.
    ?Buy Microsoft Lumia 950 ? Unlocked - Microsoft Store
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    11-12-2015 07:08 PM
  23. MaderLv's Avatar
    And here it is specified with GG3 so all we have to do is wait and see as even MS is not able to get the facts straight.

    microsoft.com/en/mobile/phone/lumia950/specifications/
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    11-13-2015 06:35 AM
  24. RumoredNow's Avatar
    [Solved] It's Schroedinger's glass...
    11-13-2015 10:56 AM
  25. John M Beauchemin's Avatar
    We're theoretically a week away from launch and I'm still not sure which one I want. I think it might come down to whichever one I can get, first, and fastest. There's an AT&T store about 20min away from me, and the nearest MS store is an hour away plus it's in the middle of the city... so it's looking like the 950 is going to come out on top.
    11-13-2015 11:38 AM
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