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  1. JW888's Avatar
    Was taking yesterday

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    Double click to zoom
    11-29-2015 05:32 AM
  2. David Lohrentz's Avatar
    A photo from my bakery with a lot of light streaming in from the left.
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    11-29-2015 10:00 AM
  3. snakebitten's Avatar
    11-29-2015 03:20 PM
  4. RL76's Avatar
    there is a lot of bouncing around. OIS is always on, right?
    11-29-2015 04:34 PM
  5. Paolo Cardelli's Avatar
    Those are my first Lumia 950 XL shots (early morning in Turin):









    Simply stunning.
    11-30-2015 04:01 AM
  6. occamsmonkey's Avatar
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    Slow traffic on 99 tonight.
    11-30-2015 10:18 PM
  7. ferretzombie's Avatar
    Dog:
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    Old frosted gate:
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    Dirty laptop keyboard:
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    AlainJude, libra89, jmajid and 6 others like this.
    12-01-2015 02:43 AM
  8. Musicman247's Avatar
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    Misty afternoon, manual focus.
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    12-01-2015 07:51 AM
  9. occamsmonkey's Avatar
    I wasn't able to get to Alki like I'd hoped. But here's a shot of an open span in Seattle from my building.
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    12-01-2015 12:28 PM
  10. Jdalmau59's Avatar
    I tried again the uploader option in this blog and did not worked.... how can I upload my photo here????
    12-01-2015 02:43 PM
  11. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I wasn't able to get to Alki like I'd hoped. But here's a shot of an open span in Seattle from my building.
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    Thank you. I don't think Rich Capture is your friend there. When I zoom in there is quite a sharp image in the mid ground but blurring across the far reaches and edges. Even the foreground is somewhat soft.

    To be fair, I struggle with this on my 1520; wanting the enhanced texture and color effect of Rich Capture while dreading the softness it lends in some use cases.

    Would you be so kind? Could you do that same shot or similar without Rich Capture?

    The reason I ask is that in WP 8.1 and without Rich Capture... IMHO the f/2.4 on 1520 yields such a nice hard, sharp image on just such a shot over the entire photo no matter what the screen size it is viewed on and especially when cropped in or blown up on a > 10" screen. The f/2.2 of 830 seems to duplicate this while also giving some added low light capability that 1520 lacks. I admire the 830 camera for just this reason. In contrast the f/2.0 on Lumia 928 is great at low light, but on shots such as the one above it looks very soft to me especially when cropped in or viewed on large screens.

    The f/1.9 on the 950/XL would then tend to fall into the same conditions I saw on 928. Right?

    I realize the algorithms on the 950 may have ameliorated the bias for my preference when compared to 928. I'd like a chance to see and the above scene is perfect for an analysis based on my personal preferences for the types of shots I tend to take most. Also, I think that shooting DNG and tweaking the files can overcome some of this as well, but that takes a lot of time post shot. I'd rather click and appreciate by and large while saving all the file tweaking for special project shots.

    Honestly, my use cases for low light pics take a back seat to well lit long shots of all types of scenes and I crave that overall sharpness in a point and shoot application. Finding the easy point and shoot proof of what such shots will yield is a major factor that has kept me from deciding to go for one of the new models.

    I hope this makes some sense...
    12-01-2015 02:46 PM
  12. occamsmonkey's Avatar
    Would you be so kind? Could you do that same shot or similar without Rich Capture?
    Roughly the same shot without Rich Capture:
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    DNG processed (saved as TIF) with no sharpening, but some detail brought back in the shadows and some contrast adjustment to bring it out of neutral:
    http://1drv.ms/1lVZUc3

    And finally, a festive bit of fun with macro and high dynamic range subject:
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    12-01-2015 03:55 PM
  13. camptime's Avatar
    Nice to see some great photos getting posted online. looking forward to picking my 950 XL up in a few weeks time.
    12-01-2015 07:38 PM
  14. onetwright's Avatar
    Roughly the same shot without Rich Capture:

    DNG processed (saved as TIF) with no sharpening, but some detail brought back in the shadows and some contrast adjustment to bring it out of neutral:
    http://1drv.ms/1lVZUc3

    And finally, a festive bit of fun with macro and high dynamic range subject:
    Dang! That made a huge difference in sharpness. Thanks for posting. Also really like the ornament macro!
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    12-02-2015 11:56 AM
  15. David Lohrentz's Avatar
    12-02-2015 01:10 PM
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    12-02-2015 01:12 PM
  17. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Thanks again to occamsmonkey for the requested sample. It was perfect for my analysis. Infinite focus is theoretical, IMHO and shooting comparison pics through different phones has lead me to believe practice differs from theory. So here is what I am looking at...


    On the 950 XL with an aperture of f/1.9 occamsmonkey supplied a 3840x2160 image that calculates to 8.3 MP. I then cropped in on a near portion, a mid and a far range.

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    950xl-crop.001.jpg near
    950xl-crop.002.jpg mid
    950xl-crop.003.jpg far


    I think anyone would agree that the near portion of the image is crystal clear. Check the slats on the stairs and the reflections in the glass.

    The mid portion is very nice. Not as sharply defined. Compare the tower of the crane vs the boom. Also the frames around the windows of the building at about the same distance as the cranes. Look at the building on the wooded hill behind the right-most crane. Acceptable.

    There does appear to be some softening in the farthest reaches of the picture. Check the taller buildings and the strut work of the bridge. It is still very nice for such a tight crop on an 8 MP image.It is also highly unlikely that one would want a crop so tight on such a far off subject to make a "presentation" pic. I'm still impressed with the quality here.


    For comparison, I had some stock on hand from my 1520 with an aperture of f/2.4. The original is 3072x1728 which calculates to 5.3 MP. I was able to crop on a near and a mid portion for comparison.

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    1520-030_5mp_tight-crop-2.jpg near
    1520-030_5mp_tight-crop.jpg mid


    The near and mid results are nearly identical for clarity compared between 1520 and 950 XL and this is what I was after. Confirmation that 950 XL will replicate this clarity over a wide shot when cropped in or viewed on a large screen. The near portion from 950 XL seems even sharper, but I think it benefits from the larger image size of +3 MP and some more favorable lighting. Also, on the cranes, the 950 XL gets help with color contrast vs the sky...

    So I am confident that 950 XL's f/1.9 aperture doesn't suffer from the lack I saw on 928.


    I also have the exact same scene as the 1520 taken with a 928 on an f/2.0 aperture. The original is 3552x2000 which calculates to 7.1 MP and I have the same near and mid crops.

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    928-030_lumia_hand-held_auto_tight-crop-2.jpg near
    928-030_lumia_hand-held_auto_tight-crop.jpg mid


    Side by side with the 1520 sample taken seconds apart, the 928 looks softer all over: the original, the near and the mid. Look at the differences in the near crops of the license plate and the cranes and architecture in the mid crop. The 928 samples have significantly more pixels than the same crop on 1520, yet the 1520 handles it better.

    I was afraid that since aperture is fixed and does play into depth of field that maybe 950 XL would suffer from what I saw with a wider aperture on 928. I'm glad to see my fears are countered by in use evidence.
    Last edited by RumoredNow; 12-02-2015 at 03:02 PM. Reason: cleanup of long post
    12-02-2015 02:50 PM
  18. jmajid's Avatar
    Dang! That made a huge difference in sharpness. Thanks for posting. Also really like the ornament macro!
    looks like the moral of the story is to keep away from Rich capture or use it when you must...
    12-02-2015 03:00 PM
  19. zimilaci's Avatar
    Speaking of rich capture, and rich recording with the 4 Mics.... shouldnt we be able to record in 5.1? I saw no chance to change the audio recording options :((((( am I missing something... I mainly bought this device for the good audio recording in concerts and parties with loud bass..
    12-02-2015 04:31 PM
  20. 206Husky's Avatar
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    Slow traffic on 99 tonight.
    Seattle waterfront FTW!
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    12-02-2015 05:25 PM
  21. David Lohrentz's Avatar
    12-02-2015 06:16 PM
  22. David Lohrentz's Avatar
    I did some experimenting with macro filters and also with a Neutral Density 64 filter at sunset. The flower above is with 10X and 4X macro filters. The two below are with a ND filter and the shutter set to 4 seconds.

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    12-02-2015 06:27 PM
  23. ClixT's Avatar
    Here's a 4k video, edited with premiere pro (just added a universal SL Clean Punch HDR to it). My thoughts so far about the 950XL:

    4k Video is amazing, I mainly use DXO for image editing, and I can't use that for RAW post processing (it needs a camera module). I guess I have to get use to Photoshop..

    12-02-2015 08:05 PM
  24. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I guess I have to get use to Photoshop..
    Have you tried Rawer on the phone? http://forums.windowscentral.com/e?l...token=5cddNFSm
    12-02-2015 10:20 PM
  25. onetwright's Avatar
    I had a chance to play with the 950XL camera at the MS store tonight. I kept having 2 really annoying issues with it.
    1. "Finishing touches" took FOREVER. I'm talking like 15s for rich capture pics and even a second or two for regular pics
    2. When I take selfies with my wife, I use the rear facing camera and take the photo using the camera button. My arms are long so I can do that 😊. I tried a few such shots in the store, and the delay between when I pressed the button and when the picture was taken was so long that I kept getting a picture of whatever the camera was pointing at when I was pulling my arm back down. Then, to boot, all but one that actually got my face we're totally out of focus.

    Are these issues present on any of your phones? I want to like the XL, but my in store experience with side by side comparisons to a 1020 or 930 really haven't been good. XL is great for color, and I thought speed until the selfie issues tonight, but I've never been impressed with the detail at full zoom... Seems grainy vs 930 and can't touch the 1020 for detail, though it absolutely destroys it for speed 😊 I always leave the store wondering if it's REALLY any better than the 930 since its got a pretty quick shooter too.
    12-02-2015 11:34 PM
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