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  1. chmun77's Avatar
    Tell that to the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge which needs to be on a charger by lunchtime.
    Android is a battery sucker. So is W10M. Looks like Microsoft copied almost everything from Android after all.
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    12-02-2015 09:13 PM
  2. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Good Luck selling for retail. What kind of ***** would pay retail price for a "used " device?
    What makes you think only people in their right minds have money?

    Not likely but it happens. I actually sold two cars I bought new for more than I paid for them after owning them a year. And no, they weren't rare or highly desirable cars, but just lucked into the right buyers. But it couldn't have happened without asking a ridiculous amount.
    12-02-2015 09:42 PM
  3. Brandon Keenan's Avatar
    Hey Brandon...

    I have the 1520 as well. A weird story for you. I dropped my 1520 down a flight of stairs on accident. Broke the screen, good.Replaced it and the phone started behaving ridiculously "glitchy". I went on line and saw articles and videos showing the behavior, too. I replaced the screen twice with repair people being meticulous the second time...and WM8.1 would not work. The "Ghost in the Machine" was working my last piece of sanity. I did two hard resets and, since I was losing everything anyway, upgraded to WM10 on the third. Worked wonders! However, the sacrifice...my phone battery dies quicker. You're right about the 1520 having a long battery life...but that is on WM8.1-8. WM10 eats battery life and warms the phone pretty hot. However, I would not go back. There is functionality that is really great with WM10 and I was lucky to play with 950xl for a spell. It's OS is a bit smoother than mine, but I think it will, in the long run will benefit. I hope you are not having buyer's remorse too soon. There are a few updates for the 950XL that, I believe, will be coming down the pipeline...because my 1520 is still getting them. Don't give up to soon...or return it, upgrade your phone if you want (oh..yes, WM10 is my main and only phone OS) and test it out more. The batter life does suck...but it's a good OS.
    Its good you eventually got it worked out. I actually dropped my phone at a club and the screen popped out a bit on the bottom left corner (back button backlight no longer works). But yea I do believe that it will get better with time but I just do not think that time is now. Maybe in 3 months or 6 when more feedback is actually implemented and not just reported through the feedback app. I was also getting bad battery life with WM10 until the other day when I hard reset it when switching to the 950xl. When I put the 950xl back in the box and switched back to the 1520, I did not restore from a previous backup and now this thing runs really well. Probably not as well as on 8.1 but a lot better than my previous experience with wp10
    12-02-2015 11:19 PM
  4. Brandon Keenan's Avatar
    What makes you think only people in their right minds have money?

    Not likely but it happens. I actually sold two cars I bought new for more than I paid for them after owning them a year. And no, they weren't rare or highly desirable cars, but just lucked into the right buyers. But it couldn't have happened without asking a ridiculous amount.
    exactly. if someone wants something enough they will pay more or the same price as a new one rather than waiting for it to come into stock at the microsoft store. but yea the 30 day return period is still valid so if no one buys it, just return it and no harm no foul
    12-02-2015 11:23 PM
  5. don4law's Avatar
    After a tumultuous beginning, and serious consideration given to returning the 950xl, I have decided to keep it. I love it! All of the issues I had with setting it up have resolved, and the big issue - oft cited here re the battery - has also much improved. Today i took the phone off the charger, used it only a few times, but battery after 10 hours is still at 77%. Granted, the battery drains significantly when in moderate or heavy use, but I haven't had a phone that doesn't. Even my 640 with stellar battery life drained a lot when under heavy use. This screen is much bigger and better, and the phone itself has a speed unparalleled by any I have seen, including my previous Note Edge and the iPhone 6. As I've heard repeated, "it just works" and will only get better from here. The two major advantages I see with my first unlocked phone is that I should see immediate roll-outs of any updates (which I had to wait months for before with the carrier, and, likely the reason why the phone isn't offered through other carriers by Microsoft), and the quick charge seriously mitigates the battery issue because it can charge around 50% in a half hour. No more waiting for hours to charge when the battery dies!

    To all the skeptics, hang in there. My phone was causing me a huge amount of grievance and distress at first, but I am quite happy with it now, and wouldn't consider replacing it with another.
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    12-02-2015 11:38 PM
  6. dKp1977's Avatar
    I am not selling mine however this thing would be way better if it had the same if not all of the quality apps that IOS and or Android has there are like 4 that I wish this phone supported (ATT Digital Life so I can monitor my home camera's and automated house its through ATT so there is no other apps that would be able to access it, BillGuard - there is no replacement or an app even close to it, The real twitter - not MS fault more twitter there is no reason this app should not have the same functions as the other two OS no excuse at all, my banking apps Discover, Chase, American Airlines - I travel for business and this app doesn't even exist i can't check in or get scanned through using my phone, jawbone - up app where is this and why not,) everything else is there just need these few remaining and I will be in phone heaven the Lumia is hands down the best phone out there just its ecosystem when it comes to real first party quality apps sucks, I blame this on the Devs of these apps not MS unless someone knows something I don't maybe their lack of enthusiasm ran the good apps off who knows. However I would not blame someone for wanting to sell theirs if some things are really needed to make you keep a 700 device then all be it. I am one hoping that this bridge deal they are working on to bring OIS devs over solves this gap.
    How are apps an argument pro or contra a specific device? Sorry, but the fact that the entire Windows ecosystem is lacking the majority of popular apps is a well known issue and something you could've come to know upfront easily. That's not something you could blame the phone for. That's rather something you can blame Microsoft and each and every company that refuses to develop and release apps for Windows for.
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    12-03-2015 02:38 AM
  7. zimilaci's Avatar
    Still, when windows 10 m. will spread hopefully we will have more and more and better apps....
    12-03-2015 03:15 AM
  8. Simon Rhodes's Avatar
    Microsoft have realized that there is a problem with the software as they have told Argos in the UK to hold off on selling the 950 / 950 XL until the 6th.
    12-03-2015 04:17 AM
  9. dKp1977's Avatar
    Still, when windows 10 m. will spread hopefully we will have more and more and better apps....
    While I do hope the same, it's rather unlikely. It hasn't happened in 5 years, and I don't see why Windows 10 should change that. Microsoft's issue is that the app situation is causing many people to stay away from WP/WM which leads to a very low marketshare. This very low marketshare is what keeps companies and developers from investing time and money into developing apps for said ecosystem. Which brings us back to the point why many people refuse to buy a WP/WM powered device. There's only one way around it:

    1) Microsoft needs to pay companies to make Windows apps.
    2) Microsoft needs to make more ads and commercials around the globe.
    3) Microsoft needs to pay retail stores or whereever else people go to purchase devices to actually recommend and sell Windows Phones.

    Other than that, there's nothing else that could be done to get WP out of its misery.
    12-03-2015 04:20 AM
  10. Johnny Vaisman's Avatar
    Have you ever heard about something called: Pixel Density? This is your problem man....
    12-03-2015 04:25 AM
  11. zimilaci's Avatar
    While I do hope the same, it's rather unlikely. It hasn't happened in 5 years, and I don't see why Windows 10 should change that. Microsoft's issue is that the app situation is causing many people to stay away from WP/WM which leads to a very low marketshare. This very low marketshare is what keeps companies and developers from investing time and money into developing apps for said ecosystem. Which brings us back to the point why many people refuse to buy a WP/WM powered device. There's only one way around it:

    1) Microsoft needs to pay companies to make Windows apps.
    2) Microsoft needs to make more ads and commercials around the globe.
    3) Microsoft needs to pay retail stores or whereever else people go to purchase devices to actually recommend and sell Windows Phones.

    Other than that, there's nothing else that could be done to get WP out of its misery.
    but back then there was no Windows 10 and no universal apps.. - So this is something new.

    We will see I am optimistic :) I am still waiting for a sailfish port tho :) that would be awesome
    12-03-2015 04:38 AM
  12. Ultimate Insider's Avatar
    While I do hope the same, it's rather unlikely. It hasn't happened in 5 years, and I don't see why Windows 10 should change that. Microsoft's issue is that the app situation is causing many people to stay away from WP/WM which leads to a very low marketshare. This very low marketshare is what keeps companies and developers from investing time and money into developing apps for said ecosystem. Which brings us back to the point why many people refuse to buy a WP/WM powered device. There's only one way around it:

    1) Microsoft needs to pay companies to make Windows apps.
    2) Microsoft needs to make more ads and commercials around the globe.
    3) Microsoft needs to pay retail stores or whereever else people go to purchase devices to actually recommend and sell Windows Phones.

    Other than that, there's nothing else that could be done to get WP out of its misery.
    allowing to run android apps on the w10m is the key for the success of W10M. Even Steve Ballmer thinks this way.
    12-03-2015 04:39 AM
  13. dKp1977's Avatar
    but back then there was no Windows 10 and no universal apps.. - So this is something new.

    We will see I am optimistic :) I am still waiting for a sailfish port tho :) that would be awesome
    That's true and it might turn out as the light at the end of the tunnel. But considering how low the interest in developing apps for Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 has been, I doubt it's gonna change a lot. But we'll see.

    allowing to run android apps on the w10m is the key for the success of W10M. Even Steve Ballmer thinks this way.
    If what Ballmer thinks or has thought would actually be any good, than WP had skyrocketed years ago. ;) Seriously though, I've pointed this out before.. BlackBerry supported Android apps and failed. They're now delivering handsets running full Android - with a couple of security adjustements. Still Android though. Ain't gonna change a thing, they're lost. And it's nothing different with Microsoft here. Consider it this way: what could be the probable mighty saviour could as well turn out to be the final death blow to the entire system. Why should any company or developer care about developing universal Windows apps that run great across phones, tablets and desktop PCs, heck even make use of the great Continuum, if all they have to do is publish their already finished Android app over? Got it? It's not going to help.
    12-03-2015 04:46 AM
  14. BenGutt's Avatar
    allowing to run android apps on the w10m is the key for the success of W10M. Even Steve Ballmer thinks this way.
    In the short term, yes this would probably help sell a few more phones. But if that was the case, why would you not just buy an android phone?

    The apps will be the same on both platforms, sure you'd have a windows phone, but all that native functionality like live tiles would be gone from all but the stock apps. Why would anyone develop for windows mobile when you can just stick the android app in the store and forget about it?

    The way candy crush was done, a recompile of the objective-c code is the way forward. This allows tweaks for the native functions to be added after adoption of the app can be confirmed to be financially viable. We'll see better and faster apps this way.

    With Universal apps and the ability to recompile iPhone apps, WM is in a better position without android apps than with it.
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    12-03-2015 05:05 AM
  15. cracgor's Avatar
    The only reason any of us use windows is we like the OS and are willing to sacrifice some functionality. Any way to get apps would improve the system. OS instability is happening with or without android apps.
    12-03-2015 08:53 AM
  16. dKp1977's Avatar
    The only reason any of us use windows is we like the OS and are willing to sacrifice some functionality. Any way to get apps would improve the system. OS instability is happening with or without android apps.
    I think in terms of functionality WP/WM is at least on par with iOS. It will never be as versatile as Android, but that's due to Android being open, whereas WP/WM is a lot more locked down in order to provide a more secure and fluid experience. Nevertheless, I couldn't even think of any function or feature WP/WM isn't capable off.
    We're NOT talking apps here!
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    12-03-2015 09:03 AM
  17. jbestman's Avatar
    I think in terms of functionality WP/WM is at least on par with iOS. It will never be as versatile as Android, but that's due to Android being open, whereas WP/WM is a lot more locked down in order to provide a more secure and fluid experience. Nevertheless, I couldn't even think of any function or feature WP/WM isn't capable off.
    We're NOT talking apps here!
    That is because Windows Phone meets your needs. You do not know what you don't know until you know what you don't know. Fortunately, I am not in a bubble. I have actually used other platforms extensively and can say without question that WP still has some ways to go to catch up to iOS in terms of just functions and reliability.

    And you cannot take apps out of the equation. That is a ridiculous premise. It is like saying, "I do not know of anything the Xbox One can do that the PS4 cannot do. Let's take games out of the equation. Games are an integral part of the system! Apps are an integral part of smartphones! You cannot and should not separate the two.
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    12-03-2015 09:26 AM
  18. dKp1977's Avatar
    That is because Windows Phone meets your needs. You do not know what you don't know until you know what you don't know. Fortunately, I am not in a bubble. I have actually used other platforms extensively and can say without question that WP still has some ways to go to catch up to iOS in terms of just functions and reliability.

    And you cannot take apps out of the equation. That is a ridiculous premise. It is like saying, "I do not know of anything the Xbox One can do that the PS4 cannot do. Let's take games out of the equation. Games are an integral part of the system! Apps are an integral part of smartphones! You cannot and should not separate the two.
    I've been using all kinds of Droids as well as iPhones to know what I'm talking about.
    Apps are essential, I'm not dellisional enough to neglect that. But missing apps don't mean missing features. Features are OS related, whereas apps are related to those who refuse to develop them for WP/WM.
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    12-03-2015 09:30 AM
  19. nokia4life's Avatar
    In the short term, yes this would probably help sell a few more phones. But if that was the case, why would you not just buy an android phone?

    The apps will be the same on both platforms, sure you'd have a windows phone, but all that native functionality like live tiles would be gone from all but the stock apps. Why would anyone develop for windows mobile when you can just stick the android app in the store and forget about it?

    The way candy crush was done, a recompile of the objective-c code is the way forward. This allows tweaks for the native functions to be added after adoption of the app can be confirmed to be financially viable. We'll see better and faster apps this way.

    With Universal apps and the ability to recompile iPhone apps, WM is in a better position without android apps than with it.

    But from what I understand this universal bridge deal they have for porting iPhone apps right now is only for the simple apps not the complex ones as there is still more code needed there and hopefully they will do some updating but its in the infancy stage with this project. I do not want games i want those really good productivity apps that are on IOS along with all of the financial apps.
    12-03-2015 09:46 AM
  20. dKp1977's Avatar
    But from what I understand this universal bridge deal they have for porting iPhone apps right now is only for the simple apps not the complex ones as there is still more code needed there and hopefully they will do some updating but its in the infancy stage with this project. I do not want games i want those really good productivity apps that are on IOS along with all of the financial apps.
    It won't get any more complex than games. If these can be done, pretty much everything can be done.
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    12-03-2015 09:49 AM
  21. TennisGuy45's Avatar
    That is because Windows Phone meets your needs. You do not know what you don't know until you know what you don't know. Fortunately, I am not in a bubble. I have actually used other platforms extensively and can say without question that WP still has some ways to go to catch up to iOS in terms of just functions and reliability.
    Sorry but I think you are dead wrong here and just spouting fanboy spittle.

    I just finished using an iPhone and in regards to the OS (not apps) it is definitely inferior to Windows Mobile in many ways.
    I'll just post a couple of things:
    1. No app drawer. Every app is required to have a freaking tile on a screen no matter what. Only way to get rid of a tile is to delete the app. SERIOUSLY?? Apps I dont use often dont need to be taking up screen space and I should not have to make tons of folders to hide them or drag them 4 screens away to not see them.
    2. Only app tiles no widgets or live tiles. All the screens are completely useless with a sea of uninformative tiny tiles on them.
    3. Only way to see any type of notifications or information is to swype down the notification area and then left right??
    4. Email client sucks BIG TIME. It does not pick up emails as quickly as Windows Mobile.
    5. Keyboard has no swype capabilities. I know you can download the app but not the same as built in.
    6. Horrible navigation. Up to each app to implement some kind of back button and its not consistently implemented. Even then screen space is wasted to do it.
    7. Multitasking is terrible and does not feel like real multitasking.

    I can keep going but even many iPhone owners I know will admit the OS is lacking some features and has outdated usability implementations.
    Apps and the good old "it just works" are what I keep hearing from people on why the stick with it.

    As for Android it will pretty much do anything you want if you are willing to download mods/apps or figure out things for yourself.
    12-03-2015 10:18 AM
  22. Kaenon11's Avatar
    I am on the fence with this phone.

    There are some things I very much like about the phone, and other I don't very much like.

    Just some background, my dd is an HTC One M8 and I also use an iPhone 6 for work. My HTC is set up perfectly for all my needs and I have full access to all the apps I want and need (FanDuel, Fantasy Football, Hue Lights, Five Guys (for that burger splurge), banking apps!!! and Google Drive and Google Music which I am tied to). I do not like iOS. I also played around with BB10 (Z10, Q10 and Passport) and most recently bought a Priv before returning it.

    Back to the Lumia 950XL....
    It took me a couple of hard resets in order to get the WiFi and Lumia Offers App working properly.
    I love Windows Hello.
    Adding email accounts and syncing all my gmail accounts was a breeze.
    Love the camera, live photos, etc. and especially a dedicated camera button with pressure sensitivity.
    I have downloaded some apps to supplement Hue Lights (Oni: Light Control), Google Music ( Client for Google Music) and Package Tracker (for FedEx Delivery and UPS). Many of these apps have there flaws and are no way as good as the original.
    The Google Drive supplement is not very good.
    Edge browser not as good as chrome and many forums I read, the text is normal size in the OP's post, but each successive after that is almost too tiny to read (the only time the phone has too small of text).
    Much of the text everywhere else is too big (WhatsApp for a prime example).
    BBM is buggy on WP10.
    No banking apps...
    Lack of case support (Tech21 best case maker). The movo things look cool, but are hard to get and are pricey right now.
    Bottom of the phone creaks like crazy.
    Battery life has been sub-optimal, but I think it has gotten better the last day or two..

    I'm sure there is more, but again the phone is close - but not quite there just yet...
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    12-03-2015 11:13 AM
  23. jbestman's Avatar
    Sorry but I think you are dead wrong here and just spouting fanboy spittle.

    I just finished using an iPhone and in regards to the OS (not apps) it is definitely inferior to Windows Mobile in many ways.
    I'll just post a couple of things:
    1. No app drawer. Every app is required to have a freaking tile on a screen no matter what. Only way to get rid of a tile is to delete the app. SERIOUSLY?? Apps I dont use often dont need to be taking up screen space and I should not have to make tons of folders to hide them or drag them 4 screens away to not see them.
    2. Only app tiles no widgets or live tiles. All the screens are completely useless with a sea of uninformative tiny tiles on them.
    3. Only way to see any type of notifications or information is to swype down the notification area and then left right??
    4. Email client sucks BIG TIME. It does not pick up emails as quickly as Windows Mobile.
    5. Keyboard has no swype capabilities. I know you can download the app but not the same as built in.
    6. Horrible navigation. Up to each app to implement some kind of back button and its not consistently implemented. Even then screen space is wasted to do it.
    7. Multitasking is terrible and does not feel like real multitasking.

    I can keep going but even many iPhone owners I know will admit the OS is lacking some features and has outdated usability implementations.
    Apps and the good old "it just works" are what I keep hearing from people on why the stick with it.

    As for Android it will pretty much do anything you want if you are willing to download mods/apps or figure out things for yourself.
    Everything you have mentioned are cosmetic and personal preference. You prefer tiles. You prefer not seeing icons. You prefer WP swype on keyboard. All personal preferences. I like them too.

    However, I am talking about actual use. Pick up. Use. Put away. Being able to unlock your phone before it gets out of your pocket. Being able to pay for stuff with zero fuss. Being able to play your music remotely in any part of the house that you want without it missing a beat. Being able to open any app and know it will work in the best way possible.

    Again, some of you fans are a big part of the problem. We all want this OS to improve but if we point out things that could be better, we are "iTards". You just want us all to bury our heads in the sand?

    I mean, I have a brand new 950XL from Microsoft and I still choose to use an iOS device for Xbox One Smartglass. Think about that for a second. That makes no sense whatsoever. But, if I point that out, I am a fanboy. And, why am I using the iOS version? Because it works better. With the WP version I get... wait for it....... "resuming"! Two years in and we are still having "resuming" issues. Every WP user just accepts it as part of the platform but it shouldn't be like that. That is not acceptable.

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    12-03-2015 11:17 AM
  24. cracgor's Avatar
    I think in terms of functionality WP/WM is at least on par with iOS. It will never be as versatile as Android, but that's due to Android being open, whereas WP/WM is a lot more locked down in order to provide a more secure and fluid experience. Nevertheless, I couldn't even think of any function or feature WP/WM isn't capable off.
    We're NOT talking apps here!
    That's what I mean. The function of apps. I can't dictate on my phone, read my journal, access emr... The OS used to work well and have customizable options I liked. But without apps, it is like having a PC without any 3rd party software... No function.
    Last edited by cracgor; 12-03-2015 at 11:52 AM.
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    12-03-2015 11:25 AM
  25. The_Fox's Avatar
    First off, I had a Lumia 1520 and just got the 950XL, and I think the 950XL is a GREAT phone. It's fast, the camera is great, the touch sensitivity is phenomenal, and the build of the phone itself is (in my opinion) quite premium. Now, it's not metal like an iPhone, however, I find iPhones slick to hold and a little heavy. Aside from that, metal doesn't necessarily equal premium.

    Having said all of the above, I will admit that for the first day or two, I wasn't sure about whether I'd made a good decision. I found that the battery drained a little quick, and the Windows Hello iris scanner worked intermittently (whenever I would click the unlock button, the scanner would either not come on, or it would immediately say 'can't recognize you'). So, after doing a little digging I found that people in several places (here included) mentioned that they reset their phones, then restored from a backup and it seemed to fix the issues they were having. I did the same, and I am here to tell you, it made a WORLD of difference. Now, EVERY time I click the unlock button, the scanner works perfectly. My battery lasts a LONG time (as in, I'm a fairly heavy user - mostly text, internet and email - and my phone goes from 100% at 5am to 21% at 11:30pm), and the quirks I was experiencing at first have ceased.

    Basically, if you've got a 950XL, don't give up on it. It's a great phone, and Windows 10 Mobile is getting better all the time. The app gap WILL close eventually, maybe not all the way, but enough that I think we'll start seeing much greater adoption down the road. It seems to me that people forget that BlackBerry was once the king, and look where they're at now. Android wasn't so hotly received at first either, but it is now a powerhouse. The point I'm trying to make here is that Windows was a late entrant into the mobile game, but where Microsoft is different from everyone else is that they listen to their users and change the systems (PC, Mobile) to fit us. While most people point to Win8/8.1 and chuckle about how much of a misstep it was, the important thing to take away is that Microsoft went back to the board and made MASSIVE (probably costly) changes in response. So give it time people, it's all going to come together.
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    12-03-2015 11:47 AM
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