12-15-2015 05:53 PM
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  1. spe317's Avatar
    I will be keeping mine. I'm switching over to W10M from ios. I'm tired of my phone crapping out after 2 years. I've had 3 phones. I had an original 3g, 4, and 5. I want the hardware found on the device. I'm not concerned about the OS being less than perfect because I know its a continual process. The fact that they care enough about users to actively seek out suggestions illustrates their approach. The possibilities of having all my devices tied together and unified is too tempting to pass up, even if I can't have it now.

    I'm not necessarily a heavy phone user but no clue how you run through the battery that quickly. My iPhone 5 would run down quickly after 18 months. Planned obsolescence turns me off.
    12-09-2015 08:49 PM
  2. anon(9630986)'s Avatar
    Question to the OP. Did you get rid of the phone yet? If not, did you get the latest update? If so, did the latest OS update fix things?
    12-10-2015 12:33 AM
  3. Unauthorized's Avatar
    I'm not the OP, but I got rid of my 950 XL yesterday due to the Bluetooth related reboots that weren't fixed with the update. I don't think I have to deal with such problems for 699 EUR.
    12-10-2015 12:57 AM
  4. Adrian Edwards3's Avatar
    I am sorry but the 950xl is the best handset on the market and microsoft are the ultimate software geniuses, they have literally some of the smartest people on the planet working for them and you can be sure any teething problems will be ironed out quick sharp. I just witnessed this with the new windows 10 update for xbox one from buggy preview to butter smooth in a week.

    leaving now is a major mistake ios is overpriced sheep bait and android is just a mess, mass market mess for sure but still a mess.
    rollindice likes this.
    12-10-2015 01:33 AM
  5. Pete's Avatar
    Ok, attempting to get back on topic here.

    [INFO]People who are experiencing software/firmware issues with the phone should really be leaving that feedback to Microsoft using the Windows Feedback app on the phone. The WF app is the best way of reporting problems and MS uses the metrics there to prioritise fixes. By all means rant here on WC, but leave feedback in the app, it's really important.

    As with any new device, we expect there to be updates and fixes at some point soon.

    If you have hardware issues, then of course you need to work those out through warranty.

    If you have issues with Windows 10 Mobile, it's recommended that you post in the relevant sections of the forum (oddly enough, other phones also are running Windows 10 Mobile and not everyone on the forum is reading this thread...)

    [/INFO]
    12-10-2015 03:46 AM
  6. LIEBER's Avatar
    I received my Lumia 950 dual sim 2 days ago. Perhaps I was lucky and installed the latest update before using it. Impressions so far:
    * battery showed 68% left after 13 hours of undocking the charger. Admittedly light use, since I was in meetings most of the day. My former Samsung Note 3 was more or less dead after 4 hours. (Perhaps I could have change battery...)
    * I have found most apps that I need, no serious problems
    * phone quality is fine for me. To me, it is a (smart) phone, not display thing. My old Lumia 920 appeared more solid, but I am perfectly happy with this one
    * the screen is noticeably smaller than my previous Samsung Note 3 -- I should perhaps have ordered the 950 xl in hindsight. On the other hand, the 950 is cheaper, making it possible to update after less time.
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    12-10-2015 04:17 AM
  7. Captpt's Avatar
    * phone quality is fine for me. To me, it is a (smart) phone, not display thing. My old Lumia 920 appeared more solid, but I am perfectly happy with this one
    * the screen is noticeably smaller than my previous Samsung Note 3 -- I should perhaps have ordered the 950 xl in hindsight. On the other hand, the 950 is cheaper, making it possible to update after less time.
    You do have 30 days to return it and get the 950XL, like you once I went to the Note its hard to go back to the smaller screen size lol.. It is a shame being the new flagship they skimped on the back cover, reports of it squeaking and such due to it being too thin and not fitting correctly just shouldn't be, not even if it was a mid range phone :(
    12-10-2015 04:53 AM
  8. Tushar Thakur's Avatar
    Very Soon

    Have been using it for almost a week now and already thinking about returning it back. Some of the key issues -
    1 - Gets very very hot while charging and using it for more than 10 mins
    2 - Battery life - Okay its fast charging, large battery, but it doesn't last for more than 8-10 hours for me. Now that doesn't complete my day
    3 - Overall Windows 10 is still buggy and not a finished product. A few notifications I got and clicked on, didnt turn up anything. Multitasking puts a huge pressure on the phone it freezes and becomes extremely hot
    4 - Camera is actually 16 MP if you are clicking in 16:9 aspect ratio. Even on 4:3 its 19 MP and not 20 as Microsoft claims/sells. Tricking customers to buy MS?
    5 - Windows Hello - another joke added by Microsoft against the already established finger print scanner on other devices. Hello is still buggy, doesn't work with glasses on (which is a big no for me) and you look like a fool staring at screen to unlock. I have turned it off and using the good old pass-code typing instead.
    6 - Overall build is okay, although doesn't feel like holding a flagship device, but that's more of a personal preference.

    I really hope that this phone shows up some value before I decide to dump it over. So far it haven't lived up-to its expectations.
    mariusmuntean likes this.
    12-10-2015 11:14 AM
  9. anon(9709784)'s Avatar
    Ok, attempting to get back on topic here.

    [INFO]People who are experiencing software/firmware issues with the phone should really be leaving that feedback to Microsoft using the Windows Feedback app on the phone. The WF app is the best way of reporting problems and MS uses the metrics there to prioritise fixes. By all means rant here on WC, but leave feedback in the app, it's really important.

    As with any new device, we expect there to be updates and fixes at some point soon.

    If you have hardware issues, then of course you need to work those out through warranty.

    If you have issues with Windows 10 Mobile, it's recommended that you post in the relevant sections of the forum (oddly enough, other phones also are running Windows 10 Mobile and not everyone on the forum is reading this thread...)

    [/INFO]
    Microsoft is not "listening" to this feedback. From the highest upvoted suggestion and problem items, Microsoft rarely addresses those that are reasonable at the very least and have been high in the "trending" filter since the feedback app launched.
    12-10-2015 11:21 AM
  10. Pete's Avatar
    Microsoft is not "listening" to this feedback. From the highest upvoted suggestion and problem items, Microsoft rarely addresses those that are reasonable at the very least and have been high in the "trending" filter since the feedback app launched.
    Microsoft DOES use the metrics they get out of the feedback tool, it's not just there for fun. Granted, items they work on need to be appropriate to their design and security philosophy. I know you have your own point of view, but speaking as someone with contacts within Microsoft, I know that the feedback app provides valuable information.
    12-10-2015 11:27 AM
  11. anon(9709784)'s Avatar
    After two weeks, I have used the 950 XL to its very limit and it does not begin to replace what I can do WITHOUT apps on Android or iOS, mainly due to the atrocious Edge browser. I will still be using my 640 to continue to follow Windows 10 Mobile's progression, but at this time, spending $650+ on a device whose browser is its Achilles heel seems foolish. I like the removable battery and sd card slot and feel those should always trump design, but the current state of the operating system negates the value in the newer hardware. Microsoft simply is not responding to reasonable feedback in the WIndows Feedback app - Sinofsky may not be there physically anymore, but his spirit still infects the place. Microsoft's Windows Feedback app is a placebo to make people feel better. But is Microsoft really listening? Based on updates with useless features (sort by date added in Groove? WTF?!?! Effort could be wasted on more useful but un-asked for things), no Microsoft isn't listening.
    Last edited by jdgtl; 12-10-2015 at 05:57 PM.
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    12-10-2015 11:29 AM
  12. anon(9709784)'s Avatar
    Microsoft DOES use the metrics they get out of the feedback tool, it's not just there for fun. Granted, items they work on need to be appropriate to their design and security philosophy. I know you have your own point of view, but speaking as someone with contacts within Microsoft, I know that the feedback app provides valuable information.
    Metrics? Ask your "contacts" what of the CONTENT of the feedback is being used other than the metrics? There are issues unaddressed going back to the start of the Windows Insider and Windows Feedback program that aren't being addressed. You can collect metrics all day, but it makes about as much sense to do as does the NSA collecting bulk data with no real insight when the content is right in front of them, but they'd rather focus on metadata that tells them nothing. Grabbing the low hanging fruit isn't always a bad thing, but when the content is being ignored, you're grasping at air.
    12-10-2015 11:32 AM
  13. EliteMikes's Avatar
    Very Soon

    Have been using it for almost a week now and already thinking about returning it back. Some of the key issues -
    1 - Gets very very hot while charging and using it for more than 10 mins
    2 - Battery life - Okay its fast charging, large battery, but it doesn't last for more than 8-10 hours for me. Now that doesn't complete my day
    3 - Overall Windows 10 is still buggy and not a finished product. A few notifications I got and clicked on, didnt turn up anything. Multitasking puts a huge pressure on the phone it freezes and becomes extremely hot
    4 - Camera is actually 16 MP if you are clicking in 16:9 aspect ratio. Even on 4:3 its 19 MP and not 20 as Microsoft claims/sells. Tricking customers to buy MS?
    5 - Windows Hello - another joke added by Microsoft against the already established finger print scanner on other devices. Hello is still buggy, doesn't work with glasses on (which is a big no for me) and you look like a fool staring at screen to unlock. I have turned it off and using the good old pass-code typing instead.
    6 - Overall build is okay, although doesn't feel like holding a flagship device, but that's more of a personal preference.

    I really hope that this phone shows up some value before I decide to dump it over. So far it haven't lived up-to its expectations.
    Hello works just fine with glasses. Also work pretty consistently through my polarized sun glasses. Is it perfect, absolutely not, but it's still beta

    Haven't had my phone get VERY VERY hot at all. I had it get warm, but never as hot as my 930 or 920s
    A_Pieman and Tushar Thakur like this.
    12-10-2015 11:38 AM
  14. Ben Schmidt1's Avatar
    After two weeks, I have used the 950 XL to its very limit and it does not begin to replace what I can do WITHOUT apps on Android or iOS, mainly due to the atrocious Edge browser. I will still be using my 640 to continue to follow Windows 10 Mobile's progression, but at this time, spending $650+ on a device whose browser is its Achilles heel seems foolish. I like the removable battery and sd card slot and feel those should always trump design, but the current state of the operating system negates the value in the newer hardware. Microsoft simply is not responding to reasonable feedback in the WIndows Feedback app - Sinofsky may not be there physically anymore, but his spirit still infects the place. Microsoft's Windows Feedback app is a placebo to make people feel better. But is Microsoft really listening? Based on updates with useless features (sort by date added in Groove? WTF?!?! Effort could be wasted on more useful but un-asked for things), no it isn't listening.
    To its very limit? How's continuum? Did you try it wireless vs wired? Hows the response with the bluetooth keyboard and mouse attached? How did you like the continuum look on the screen? Projector? Did you see if you could project a movie or presentation and listen to music and browse at the same time? What was that experience like? Laggy?

    What limit are you talking about? Games... texting... browsing... multi-tasking? You do know different people work on different apps/features?
    12-10-2015 11:55 AM
  15. A_Pieman's Avatar
    I tried continuum briefly to via wireless to my tv last night. (Dock is on back order). I was pleasantly surprised. Was it snappy, no, was it usable yes, I opened a word document, moved around it with the phone, paired a mouse and used that to navigate fine, there was lag on the mouse but not extreme and you could certainly use it. I haven't paired a keyboard yet, but will do soon just to see.
    Ben Schmidt1 likes this.
    12-10-2015 12:07 PM
  16. fhm's Avatar
    My 950xl doesn't get nearly as hot as my S4, and the battery lasts at least 3 times as long. I have one minor issue with the SIM losing its LTE provisioning when I switched it from SIM1 to SIM2 but I gather that is my Bell provider and an unlocked phone issue which could be resolved over the phone if I could stand talking to Bell support, which I can't so I'll get it done at Bell store.
    12-10-2015 12:14 PM
  17. peashooter14's Avatar
    I love all the comments about how buttery smooth iOS and Crapdroid are. iOS 9 had plenty of warts when it first hit. Let's not talk about the iTunes updates screwing up your entire media library over the years.
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    12-10-2015 12:18 PM
  18. anon(9709784)'s Avatar
    To its very limit? How's continuum? Did you try it wireless vs wired? Hows the response with the bluetooth keyboard and mouse attached? How did you like the continuum look on the screen? Projector? Did you see if you could project a movie or presentation and listen to music and browse at the same time? What was that experience like? Laggy?

    What limit are you talking about? Games... texting... browsing... multi-tasking? You do know different people work on different apps/features?
    This was just my opinion, but thanks for your questions.

    How's continuum? Unnecessary to me. My SP3 is always at hand and far exceeds the "flexibility" Continuum claims to offer.
    Did you try it wireless vs wired? Both. Neither method improves upon what I am able to do without it, whether I am at home or mobile.
    Hows the response with the bluetooth keyboard and mouse attached? I used a desktop Microsoft ergonomic bluetooth keyboard and mouse. They worked fine with no issues, mind you, they pair directly with the 950/950XL, Continuum or not.
    How did you like the continuum look on the screen? I didn't like the look. I don't hate it either, but it's nothing to write home about.
    Projector? Projection worked fine. I have an older Philips projector with HDMI input. Not really a big usage case for me, but it worked as could be expected with any device capable of using a projector (My Nexus with a Chromecast dongle does mostly the same Continuum-like things here, but, again, it's never a scenario for me)
    Did you see if you could project a movie or presentation and listen to music and browse at the same time? What was that experience like? Laggy? That is not a worthwhile scenario for me and not a specific multi-tasking capability Microsoft claims Continuum will do today i.e. not a legitimate argument for something to have been tested or tried "to the limit". Theoretically, I guess that would work. Try it for yourself if you think that's what you'll want your 950/950XL to routinely do for you. Using the phone screen and working on my monitor simultaneously was not laggy, but not really important to be doing in grand scheme of things with having a real computer that would take less of a hassle to use. Outlook and Office apps work sufficiently and Edge at least opens up (but Edge is the Achilles heel of this mobile operating system, as it's unable to properly render HTML5 and javascript functionality on many of the mobile and desktop versions of sites I use. Chase.com hardly works properly in Edge).
    What limit are you talking about? Games... texting... browsing... multi-tasking? All of those, plus user acceptance case scenarios that Microsoft doesn't seem to include in its thinking before it decides to gut apps and unnecessarily re-architect cognitively healthy user experiences. I work in a Scrum environment and have to take this into consideration during scope-of-work development as well as at every milestone in reviewing performance and impact of changes or intended enhancements on workflows.
    You do know different people work on different apps/features? I was born yesterday. Thanks for catching me up. /s

    Ubuntu tried this "Continuum" gimmick a few years ago. I feel no better/different about the concept after using Continuum. In my opinion, it's a subpar thin client solution that requires infrastructure wherever you think you'll want to use it. I may sell the Continuum dock on eBay (or on the street in exchange for a pair of socks if no one wants it online).
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    12-10-2015 01:08 PM
  19. Dutchcheese's Avatar
    Congratulacion,
    For years I have been using S3, S4, and latest S5 duos and a tablet Note 4. What did me decide to go for the Lumia 950 XL dual sim was that I wanted a bit more proffesional software using the same as on my lap and desktop. Expected the same windows 10 I have on my computer, I mean same apps for example, but lack lots of programs I was using, like my bank, International news papers I was used to (7 from 4 different countries) and have been seriously disappointed in this they are not available for my Lumia 950 XL. Glitches? quite a few like a screen popping op at regular times saying that no storage is available, but only 6 gb used and tells me to take some apps to the sd card. Updating the phone is not possible it hangs at the download screen at 0% and that is it. So no improvement. Using the keyboard is also not an easy task and when I write something in one of the apps mail or letter and you accidentally touch the home button you lost it all and restarting the typing again. Look the phone was really sexy to me, but for the moment it is impossible to be used and back on my android phone. MS is not yet ready for me.
    12-10-2015 01:44 PM
  20. peashooter14's Avatar
    the update will go, it is very slow and the % meter doesn't seem to work quite right. My update took over 2 hours on wifi. Wonder if their servers are maxed out.
    12-10-2015 02:21 PM
  21. Joe920's Avatar
    unnecessarily re-architect cognitively healthy user experiences
    Now you don't hear that every day on Windows Central. Well, at least not in those words. :D
    12-10-2015 02:44 PM
  22. vampyren's Avatar
    I have no issue with the OS (other than its willingness to give up on downloading apps and tracks) but as I said on another thread - am disappointed with the actual device. Having to take off the back and remove the battery to install the SIM card is very retro or cheap. The case also squeaks when given a gentle squeeze in either bottom corner - I googled this and found I wasn't alone. This just should not be an issue, it's almost like MS wants this to fail so that once the Surface phone appears it will be the only model of device they will offer and there'll only be one or two SKUs per year following Apples business model.
    Your joking i hope! Having access to battery and being able to change the back cover is awesome i think. All the aluminum fetish everyone are having is beyond me. I do have both iphone 6 and LG G4 and just got my 950. One reason i like this phone is due to the fact it has the plastic cover offering removable battery and SD. I do hate the iPhone aluminum, i always have a case on i because it scratches sooooo easily and looks awe full.
    12-10-2015 03:19 PM
  23. TennisGuy45's Avatar
    This was just my opinion, but thanks for your questions.
    Funny I read through every one of your posts and you did not specifically mention a single problem just vague complaining about Edge.

    What is specifically so wrong with Windows Phone/Edge that make iOS and Android more usable even without apps?
    12-10-2015 03:36 PM
  24. wisedesi's Avatar
    Congratulacion,
    For years I have been using S3, S4, and latest S5 duos and a tablet Note 4. What did me decide to go for the Lumia 950 XL dual sim was that I wanted a bit more proffesional software using the same as on my lap and desktop. Expected the same windows 10 I have on my computer, I mean same apps for example, but lack lots of programs I was using, like my bank, International news papers I was used to (7 from 4 different countries) and have been seriously disappointed in this they are not available for my Lumia 950 XL. Glitches? quite a few like a screen popping op at regular times saying that no storage is available, but only 6 gb used and tells me to take some apps to the sd card. Updating the phone is not possible it hangs at the download screen at 0% and that is it. So no improvement. Using the keyboard is also not an easy task and when I write something in one of the apps mail or letter and you accidentally touch the home button you lost it all and restarting the typing again. Look the phone was really sexy to me, but for the moment it is impossible to be used and back on my android phone. MS is not yet ready for me.
    Why people even buy windows phone if they have to complain about apps.
    You can just checkout on the app store before hand to see if the apps you use are available or not before actually buying the phone.
    12-10-2015 03:53 PM
  25. Chaitanya Polumetla's Avatar
    I really wanted to love the 950XL, wanted a refreshing change from iOS so preordered it. After two days of using it, I had to let it go. The whole experience is a beta experience, the apps feel like they are in beta, the windows phone OS feels like a beta version, hardware feels like the old Nexus 5 (except the camera which is simply the best out there), lack of quality apps (even the Microsoft apps feel like beta compared to their iOS and Andriod counterparts. Why pay $650 for a beta device. Some other day, we will talk
    12-10-2015 05:10 PM
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