12-15-2015 05:53 PM
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  1. cracgor's Avatar
    The desktop launch had a large number of bugs when it launched. These are documented all over the web, including this site. And the desktop OS had the benefit of a larger test base, and they based much of the OS off of Windows XP/Vista/7/8 where they had 14 years of code base to draw on. On the other hand, the mobile OS is a nearly 100% re-write, with fewer testers, and I would bet fewer developers.
    First of all, the desktop had some quirks, but nothing that caused it not to function or to disable using regular features. Second of all, having a reason for a bad OS is no better than having no reason for a bad OS. It's like saying, look the software has some real problems, but MS really didn't put very much effort into it, and there was a lot of work to do.
    12-01-2015 12:59 PM
  2. TheGreatReaper's Avatar
    I have been reading about it being buggy but I honestly haven't had any issues. My battery drained quickly the first day, but since then no issues. I was running fast ring on my 1520 and had no issue on it either. Maybe I was just lucky to have gotten 2 great phones or maybe people are just being to picky.
    12-01-2015 01:03 PM
  3. KaiserMcG's Avatar
    The problem (IMO) is that aside from the software issues and battery life problems being described here, Windows (Phone) is somewhat a victim of its own successes.

    Sure it's great that it runs well/acceptably on low-end devices but this is a two-edged sword in that there's not really much of a differentiator on higher-end hardware beyond higher specs and maybe better cameras (if that's your thing), but unlike Android where a new phone generally brings a new OS and set of features, what difference is there REALLY between a 950/XL and a 1520 or 930?

    And therein lies the problem.. there's no real reason to upgrade beyond wanting the "latest and greatest". Even Continuum will be limited by not running x86 apps - it's effectively a Surface RT phone when the one to get will be the rumored Intel core phone that will be the "full version"

    Making excuses for the limitations of the 950/Win 10 in its current state won't change that.. it's v1.0 of a new direction and like most initial releases you need to wait to v2 for them to get it right :)
    12-01-2015 01:04 PM
  4. 511pf's Avatar
    Definitely panic now and take a loss rather than wait a month for the bugs to be ironed out.
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    12-01-2015 01:05 PM
  5. Jakoh's Avatar
    Due to the problems that have not been fixed when going from 1520 to the 950xl I plan on selling it or returning it back to microsoft. Anyone else considering doing the same or am I just being too nitpicky with an OS that should have been completed by now.
    How much you wanna sell for? LOL
    12-01-2015 01:07 PM
  6. cracgor's Avatar
    I have been reading about it being buggy but I honestly haven't had any issues. My battery drained quickly the first day, but since then no issues. I was running fast ring on my 1520 and had no issue on it either. Maybe I was just lucky to have gotten 2 great phones or maybe people are just being to picky.
    I don't know. Everyday I owned it it would enter an endless reboot cycle if I put an app on the SD card. It also lacked some key features like visual voicemail I needed for work. I couldn't get emails to load pictures. I spent hours on customer support. Between these things and the app gap, which I've been increasingly aware of, it just kind of made me wake up. I realized I was only considering windows phone and putting up with to much for the price tag.
    12-01-2015 01:09 PM
  7. cracgor's Avatar
    I'm having pronoun confusion.

    They DID let you return the phone, right?

    And if not, what reason did they give?
    They wouldn't let me cancel the display dock. They let me return the phone. Interestingly I wrote a review of the phone saying I had problems with it that had to be returned and even gave the phone 3 stars, but they wouldn't post it... Censorship.

    I returned it so quickly because the return policy says they won't take returns on scratches screens. At the time I was thinking of order or again in January and switch carriers. Now on thinking of switching phones too.
    12-01-2015 01:12 PM
  8. cracgor's Avatar
    Lol, I agree with your questions since that is the way he worded it.

    Too bad he sounds really depressed selling the display dock online for some extra cash. What a depressing life.
    I don't need the extra cash. If it makes you feel better I will put it in the trash. I spent even more time on customer support trying to prevent them from sending it to me.
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    12-01-2015 01:15 PM
  9. fhm's Avatar
    Upgraded from a Galaxy S4 and I mean upgraded. Love the 950XL and seeing the end of all the annoying Android idiosyncrasies. Sure there are lots of uselss apps if your phone is a toy, but for business, this new phone is fantastic.
    Bronislav Klofac likes this.
    12-01-2015 01:16 PM
  10. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    Lol. You'd be lucky to get $300 for that phone.
    12-01-2015 01:34 PM
  11. Fuzzymemo's Avatar
    I don't need the extra cash. If it makes you feel better I will put it in the trash. I spent even more time on customer support trying to prevent them from sending it to me.

    Hey bro, don't be wasteful. Send it my way - 'One man's trash is another man's treasure'
    12-01-2015 01:35 PM
  12. Spicymikey's Avatar
    It's true it is not done. Everyone who participated in the Insider program knows that. Having a 950 myself now I can confirm it's no better with new hardware, except its faster. But I think you are being to nitpicky. Nothing here can't be fixed in another month or two. Even with Microsofts pace, I expect a new build in early '16. I'm not returning the phone. I got it on an AT&T Next 12 plan. By this time next fall I'll replace it with either the new "Surface" phone, or, if it's still a trainwreck, go back to an iPhone at that time. That's what I would advise you to do if you can't get a full refund.
    gcyoung likes this.
    12-01-2015 01:47 PM
  13. jaimeastin's Avatar
    That's technology... We are always paying more for something we don't need... :)
    libra89 likes this.
    12-01-2015 01:51 PM
  14. pjhenry1216's Avatar
    I currently have the 1520.3 and have been using wp10 on it since it was allowed on the 1520. I knew what I was getting into but the exact same problems that I had on my 1520 were also present on the 950xl while not present on a 635 I have as a test phone. Case and point, an OS shouldnt so pitifully efficient that I cant get more than 10 hours of battery life from a 3300mah battery.
    I unplugged my XL this morning at 4 am. It's now 2pm. I'm sure we have different use cases, but I would like to point out that the power required to run a screen of that size will eat through the battery like candy. So, depending on how you use it, I can easily see 10 hours of battery life being an issue. But I'd have to say in this scenario, it's not the OS's fault. It's definitely the screen.

    Edit: Did some research on the 1520. Many reviews were giving it around a 10 hour life of regular use. I'm wondering if you're even using your 950 XL and 1520 the same way.

    Edit: Forgot to mention that I'm at 50% battery life after 10 hours. Again, its probably 'low' usage since I've been at work most of the time. But the display is the big eater. That's going to happen on any phone. You can't just say, "oooh, big battery should have more life." no, the big battery is there so that you can still have the same battery life on that giant screen as you can on a smaller phone.
    Last edited by pjhenry1216; 12-01-2015 at 02:19 PM.
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    12-01-2015 01:55 PM
  15. asylumxl's Avatar
    I'm a long time Lumia/Windows Phone user and currently have a Lumia 1520. This is not the only thread I've read about issues with the 950XL, so I think I am going to hold out on an upgrade. I don't really want to jump ship, but if the phone is no better by the spring of 2016 I will probably do so...
    12-01-2015 02:11 PM
  16. aitt's Avatar
    You read poorly. I waited years to replace my 1520 AND I need my phone for work. Neither are exclusive. I was excited about this phone but it is a disappointment.
    The 1520 is only what 2 years old? Hardly "years"...

    Priv screen goes up
    12-01-2015 02:30 PM
  17. gazmatic's Avatar
    Put it on ebay and send me the link so I can buy it. Or you can give it to me for free, since you hate it so much. I wont pay more than $550 for it though. Seeing that it sells for $650 and with the student discount it is $584.

    If you dont want it send it to me, sell it to me Give it to me. Include the code for the continuum dock too.
    My final offer is $550
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    12-01-2015 02:35 PM
  18. rambo47's Avatar
    I guess your next shot is mid-2016 and the Surface Phone. Bloggers have said that the 950 was a place holder for the Surface Phone. Microsoft NEEDED to put out a high-end Windows phone to keep folks interested while the iOS/Android juggernaut chugs along. The death (for all intents and purposes) of BlackBerry handed Microsoft the coveted Third Ecosystem title but they have to hold onto it. Mid-range to low-end Lumia models are not going to do that, and there is no money in the low end anyway. To all those WP apologists, saying it's a work in progress, ARE YOU KIDDING??!! Microsoft is not new to mobile operating systems.

    Nobody should have to charge his phone during the day. Unacceptable in 2015, unless you're constantly streaming content. iPhones and Android phones last all day on a charge. Microsoft can do better.

    Turning off features to make the battery last is also unacceptable. Especially on a "flagship" model. Lots of folks are convincing themselves that they don't "need" Cortana so they're ok disabling it in the name of getting through a day of normal use. Dumbing down a smartphone means you no longer have a smartphone. That's just sad.
    12-01-2015 02:46 PM
  19. cracgor's Avatar
    I guess your next shot is mid-2016 and the Surface Phone. Bloggers have said that the 950 was a place holder for the Surface Phone. Microsoft NEEDED to put out a high-end Windows phone to keep folks interested while the iOS/Android juggernaut chugs along. The death (for all intents and purposes) of BlackBerry handed Microsoft the coveted Third Ecosystem title but they have to hold onto it. Mid-range to low-end Lumia models are not going to do that, and there is no money in the low end anyway. To all those WP apologists, saying it's a work in progress, ARE YOU KIDDING??!! Microsoft is not new to mobile operating systems.

    Nobody should have to charge his phone during the day. Unacceptable in 2015, unless you're constantly streaming content. iPhones and Android phones last all day on a charge. Microsoft can do better.

    Turning off features to make the battery last is also unacceptable. Especially on a "flagship" model. Lots of folks are convincing themselves that they don't "need" Cortana so they're ok disabling it in the name of getting through a day of normal use. Dumbing down a smartphone means you no longer have a smartphone. That's just sad.
    I had Cortana on all the time on my 1520 and still got about 20-30 hours out of the phone. Microsoft just throws away progress way too quickly. I had this issue when my original surface power cable broke. Good luck finding a replacement. Sure things need to change and a lot of WM10 is nice, but it shouldn't be on a $700 device available to everyone. Also, they should include a disclaimer about problems with unlocked phones on networks.
    12-01-2015 02:52 PM
  20. dbdayton's Avatar
    I don't know. Everyday I owned it it would enter an endless reboot cycle if I put an app on the SD card. It also lacked some key features like visual voicemail I needed for work. I couldn't get emails to load pictures. I spent hours on customer support. Between these things and the app gap, which I've been increasingly aware of, it just kind of made me wake up. I realized I was only considering windows phone and putting up with to much for the price tag.
    I've had the same issue. This could be a deal breaker for me. I need a fully functioning email.
    12-01-2015 02:55 PM
  21. Dick S O-Rosary's Avatar
    Case and point, an OS shouldnt so pitifully efficient that I cant get more than 10 hours of battery life from a 3300mah battery.
    I read somewhere on this forum that it takes a few charge cycles before the battery gets up to speed. If the problem is with the battery, then, its a good thing those are replaceable.
    12-01-2015 03:18 PM
  22. phelme's Avatar
    Thanks for your input, and please if it is needed re-read my comments here and other topics... the battery is atrocious, case closed, the end. I actually use my phone and if my 1520 lasts 24+ hours and the 950XL lasts 10 (even after I tried turning off background tasks, etc) .. the 950XL sucks in comparison. And also explain to me why the SCREEN ITSELF GETS WARM when in use??!?
    are using the same version of the OS on the 1520? not a fair battery life comparison if not. the 810 SOC is likely what's getting warm underneath your screen. like all devices using it.

    i will say that i would have been happier with 1080p screens myself (especially on the 950).
    12-01-2015 03:25 PM
  23. uselessrobot's Avatar
    The first week I had my 950 I was seriously considering returning it. I didn't have any significant issues but numerous little things kept bothering me. However, I got past those to find myself really enjoying the phone. I think it's worth sticking around to see Microsoft start addressing outstanding problems.

    As for battery life, you guys really need to hold on for more than several days. I'd even suggest waiting at least a week. It took some time for my phone's battery to stabilize but every since the battery battery has been excellent. It's far better than my Lumia 920 ever was.
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    12-01-2015 03:29 PM
  24. phelme's Avatar
    Same here. My 950 xl has been flawless.

    No battery drain (even with windows hello turned on) and + 48 hours battery life.
    No overheating.
    No random reboots.

    'It just works'.

    Those of you with poor battery performance - Windows 10 does take a few days to 'settle' down after which you should see better battery life. Also the more live tiles you have on your screen, the worse your battery life will be. Thats about the only advice I can give on that topic.
    would you mind listing what apps you have installed? i can get about a day out of my XL, nothing near to 2.
    rkamp likes this.
    12-01-2015 03:30 PM
  25. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    I'm considering returning my 950XL. Hovering around 35% likely at the moment. The fact is my 1520.3 running 586.11 is more stable and glitch free than my 950XL is.
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    12-01-2015 03:40 PM
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