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  1. anthonyng's Avatar
    Do you think that it might be a problem that they are trying to improve it with the small user base of windows phone fans as the test subjects? What I mean is if 100% of the 2% of smart phone users prefer the WM10 experience, that does not guarantee that it will appeal to the other 98%. I'm not trying to start an argument. Just reading what you said made me realize the flaw in what was said.
    Yes I feel it's a problem too. Much rather have a big representation "helping" with the process but I'm not sure what other choice there is, not enough people want to go in on it. I don't consider myself a good tester either cause I'd rather someone else report and have it fixed for me.

    Personally I've only used symbian os, meego then windows phone, I don't really feel the same as a lot of people who think the changes from 8.1 are horrible and I'm ok with w10m overall design today. I miss stuff like one handed usage but I think they put enough features to make the important parts easy enough one handed.

    It needed to change, not enough people wanted 8.1, no apps no apps no apps, blah. It's really the only complaint but that's what a lot of people want, so make the os the same as possible and increase potential for more apps and go from there I guess!

    I dunno <shrug> they weren't going anywhere with the 98% of less than 3% market share that are happy with win8.1 as is...
    Clancy Weeks likes this.
    12-22-2015 10:17 PM
  2. Justin Engel's Avatar
    I just have to say thank you for this thread. I am a Software Engineer. I've owned a Lumia 920, HTC One M8 for Windows, Lumia 635, and now the Lumia 950.

    I have had the same Bluetooth streaming problems. Also Cortana with Bluetooth asks me if she should read a text then doesn't.

    Messaging + Skype app kills your battery even if you don't use it. Quick Charge is a lifesaver.

    Windows Hello is cool, and I love it. It's the one thing I brag about then when someone seems interested and asks me how I like the phone I tell them not to get it and it is super buggy.

    It's been bug after bug with the Windows Feedback App pinned to my start screen. It's just sad, things that worked beautifully for Windows 8.1 do not work for Windows 10 Mobile.

    My main problem is that I spent $600 on the Lumia 950 to be a beta tester. Yes, it is beta testing. You can't call it anything different; otherwise you are blinded by your fanboy-ism. I am a windows phone fanboy who told everyone to get a windows phone. Now I am telling everyone not to get one, because I know if they did they would return it and never buy a windows phone again. Be honest, if your friend switched from android or iOS to the Lumia 950 they would think windows phone was awful.
    12-22-2015 11:17 PM
  3. loko ino's Avatar
    Gotta say I agree. I got the 950 because I knew the button placement would bug me, and I am in the DP Fast ring but getting tired of the step back from 8.1. It's frustrating to not be able to swipe and read a text from lock screen, for the camera to just lock up, fo through random reboots, and have the display brightness always changing. But that what it is, frustrating. I'm not changing phones or professing my hate for MS. I am glad to hear I'm not the only one frustrated.
    12-22-2015 11:30 PM
  4. david90531's Avatar
    Just popping in to say that I absolutely love the button placements. At first I thought i'd hate it but it is actually so much easier to use than the other smartphones I've had. Yes, Win 10 mobile needs work and I'm not sure if releasing it to the public without polishing it throughouly first was a brilliant idea, but it is not enough for me to call a phone "garbage".
    Babs75, Kevin Rush and anthonyng like this.
    12-23-2015 02:47 AM
  5. Zoolok's Avatar
    In an age of well-developed and mostly stable mobile OS-es (iOS and Android have come a looong way), restarting from scratch with your mobile OS so often, where it ends up being buggy and unreliable, is a very bad idea. There is no continuity and any non-windows fan who buys a phone with the current WM10 will be mostly frustrated by it.
    12-23-2015 04:27 AM
  6. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    Just two tips:
    -facebook beta app with latest update is near perfect for me with just some bug/delay on notifications
    -new firmware when combined with build .36 should fix most of the little issues you are talking about

    My 950 is already rock solid on build .36 the firmware will probably solve the once in a while crash, happy!

    (p.s. I'm an electronic engineer and a developer like you, I can't believe how you are facing the situation, you are an early adopter of a new HW+SW, you are having problems, MS is patching them, nothing strange; Apple does this, Google does this, Siemens (where I work) does this)
    12-23-2015 05:47 AM
  7. KimRM's Avatar
    Complaining that they don't want to be beta-testers for MS, yet they sign up as insider and downloads beta-version of the OS. Stop messing with your phone then. I have the 950 and I wouldn't dream of putting the insider-OS on it. I have had some issues with the device but after the .29 update and the MICROSOFTMDG update i have no more problems with it than I had with my previous Galaxys and IPhones.
    12-23-2015 07:16 AM
  8. Zoolok's Avatar
    Just two tips:
    -facebook beta app with latest update is near perfect for me with just some bug/delay on notifications
    -new firmware when combined with build .36 should fix most of the little issues you are talking about

    My 950 is already rock solid on build .36 the firmware will probably solve the once in a while crash, happy!

    (p.s. I'm an electronic engineer and a developer like you, I can't believe how you are facing the situation, you are an early adopter of a new HW+SW, you are having problems, MS is patching them, nothing strange; Apple does this, Google does this, Siemens (where I work) does this)
    I think you are missing the point that this is end-users (consumers) that are going through this, not developers. I am also a developer and in fact run a software company, but I need my phone for work to work, not go crazy on me twice a day. "Early adopting" has nothing to do with it, I've been on Windows Phone since WP7 and <angry&disappointed>THEY SHOULD HAVE SORTED IT OUT BY NOW</angry&disappointed>

    It's been year after year of 'always somethings' - either no apps, or no stability, or no accessories, or no this or no that or blablabla, always something. I personally am fed up with them going round in circles.
    12-23-2015 08:30 AM
  9. mranieri's Avatar
    You know Shobin...I see your Avatar is a pic of the new Corvette....you are aware that the Z06 engines are blowing up and are having all kinds of issues....the new Porsche engine is really stable...

    Get my point? I am really enjoying my experience with the 950XL....yes, I occasionally get frustrated but it works for me! I am sorry that your experience is different but that is why feedback is there. At least they are listenening.
    12-23-2015 08:38 AM
  10. emjey's Avatar
    Background: Developer, electronics engineer. All in as far as Microsoft goes.

    From the 920, to the 1520 and now this heaping pile, I can't believe the 2 steps back attitude someone at Microsoft has. Yes, I have many of the issues posted here and before any of you hardware engineers say it is a faulty device and swap it out, chill. If all of these issues are truly hardware defects, then this is one of the worst deliveries of defective goods ever!

    I still can't believe people have to revert to hard resets to address battery drain, etc. I can't think of one time I have had to do this on any other platform.

    The biggest thing that ticks me off about this garbage is the button placement. What ergonomic genius though it was a good idea to put the wake/power button in between the volume buttons? Why depart from the layout on the 950? I can't tell you how many times I push the wrong buttons and it has gotten to a point where I am simply just fed up.

    The OS is buggy. I still can't go directly to SMS messages from the lock screen, rather I have to stare at a black screen, press the back button then launch the message app. It's been this way for 4 releases now!

    Random reboots, camera saving wonkiness, and what in the hell is this Facebook app? It is the worst app ever! Is there anyone at Microsoft in the QA department?

    Let's talk about bluetooth streaming. Sometimes it is flawless then out of the blue audio will stutter like a CD is scratched. Hey Microsoft, it's ok to let your testers go to the parking lot to test this stuff out in real cars with real interference, etc.!!

    For $800, I expected a flagship phone and what I believe we all got is something in the 1/3 range. Yes, many of you don't have any problems at all *cough* and will want to tell me my hardware is bad but I know it isn't. About the only cool thing is Continuum and even then, getting the WiDi working was even a trick.

    SMH. Shame Microsoft shame! Whoever you are paying to QA and lead on this should be fired, seriously. Hire someone who cares!
    No mmatter how hard the QA works and posts the bugs, it actually depends on the management or the top project managers to actually prioritize what is gonna be fixed and what not. Currently MS management is seriously facing a lot of issues and there has been no control over it.
    12-23-2015 08:40 AM
  11. v535's Avatar
    I know, like making a call and the phone reboots.
    It happened to me when i had all my apps in phone memory and free space was 1.4GB. Because of that low space false alarm it reboots the phone. After that, I moved some games and apps to SD card and problem seems to have vanished. From the way I see it, to stop auto reboot, make sure your device has atleast 2Gigs of free space. Firing Nokia employee was a bad decision. Lately, @Gabe joined WC and I hope @SatyaNadella would join here to clear any doubts regarding MS Lumia Flagships.
    12-23-2015 08:57 AM
  12. Jazmac's Avatar
    As a "developer", you did all that rant from button placement, reset to resolve battery issues, bugs that exist in the OS but spent the money 800+ bucks on the Lumia 950XL anyway? You didn't read up, visit a MS store and put hands on, talk to people in the ecosystem then make the 800 dollar call? All I can say is if I had your income, I'd be the best dressed engineer at the firm. I mean, 800 bucks based on splashy advertising is one healthy bank account.
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    12-23-2015 09:53 AM
  13. Justin Engel's Avatar
    Complaining that they don't want to be beta-testers for MS, yet they sign up as insider and downloads beta-version of the OS. Stop messing with your phone then. I have the 950 and I wouldn't dream of putting the insider-OS on it. I have had some issues with the device but after the .29 update and the MICROSOFTMDG update i have no more problems with it than I had with my previous Galaxys and IPhones.
    I didn't put the insider technical preview on my phone. I have had lots of problems with it. I would be mostly happy if the battery lasted longer and my Bluetooth connection with Cortana worked like 8.1. Oh and that there was a way to stop autocorrect. Autocorrect is stupid on Windows 10 Mobile. It worked fine for Windows Phone 8.1.
    Last edited by Justin Engel; 12-23-2015 at 11:38 AM.
    12-23-2015 09:53 AM
  14. richv77's Avatar
    I cannot find Facebook Beta in the Store. I had used it before I reset my phone to use Windows 10 preview. Is MS developing the Beta version or is Facebook?

    Thanks for any information.

    -Rich

    I literally have none of the issues you have stated...
    And the ones that's that aren't software issues like the button placement? I actually like it...
    Also, use Facebook Beta, much better than the "Facebook" app.
    12-23-2015 10:44 AM
  15. Captpt's Avatar
    Complaining that they don't want to be beta-testers for MS, yet they sign up as insider and downloads beta-version of the OS. Stop messing with your phone then. I have the 950 and I wouldn't dream of putting the insider-OS on it. I have had some issues with the device but after the .29 update and the MICROSOFTMDG update i have no more problems with it than I had with my previous Galaxys and IPhones.
    Many Insider users have another phone as their daily driver and others like myself have a simple fix, just revert back to 8.1 if things get too buggy, 950/950XL owners don't have that luxury, they're stuck with the cards they were dealt at a rather large price tag . I've had every Galaxy S series from 2-5 plus the Note 3&4 and in no way did any of them release with as many issues as we're seeing with the 950/XL.. I am happy to hear your 950 is running smooth but sadly many others are not so lucky, is it me or does it seem XL users are having more issues then the 950??
    12-23-2015 11:05 AM
  16. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar

    I think you are missing the point that this is end-users (consumers) that are going through this, not developers. I am also a developer and in fact run a software company, but I need my phone for work to work, not go crazy on me twice a day. "Early adopting" has nothing to do with it, I've been on Windows Phone since WP7 and <angry&disappointed>THEY SHOULD HAVE SORTED IT OUT BY NOW</angry&disappointed>

    It's been year after year of 'always somethings' - either no apps, or no stability, or no accessories, or no this or no that or blablabla, always something. I personally am fed up with them going round in circles.
    This is a new OS with new HW. Again, my post was in response to his post. He reported little problems that we are all facing and I'm so satisfied that I can ignore those problems and enjoy my phone with all the apps I need. As an early adopter I can live with small issues.

    In your case it looks like you have BIG issues so I wouldn't call your problems early adopter problems. A crash here and there and a FB app that you don't like can be an early adopter problem; in your case you are saying it does not work at all so for you it is a different situation and you should change environmet completely. (920->930->950 here)
    12-23-2015 11:38 AM
  17. Paolo Ferrazza's Avatar
    Since it is a beta you have to google it. When you'll click on the result you'll be redirected to the store app.
    12-23-2015 11:39 AM
  18. garyhartaz's Avatar
    Just two tips:
    -facebook beta app with latest update is near perfect for me with just some bug/delay on notifications
    -new firmware when combined with build .36 should fix most of the little issues you are talking about

    My 950 is already rock solid on build .36 the firmware will probably solve the once in a while crash, happy!

    (p.s. I'm an electronic engineer and a developer like you, I can't believe how you are facing the situation, you are an early adopter of a new HW+SW, you are having problems, MS is patching them, nothing strange; Apple does this, Google does this, Siemens (where I work) does this)
    I am facing the situation with honesty. I would have a much different attitude to all of this if the 950/950XL were NOT being sold in retail stores. Retail indicates consumer ready products which it is clear these are not. And let's be clear what MS is patching to the average consumer.....NOT MUCH. .0 to .29 and even then half the 950XL's initially could not receive the update. BE honest!
    12-23-2015 11:46 AM
  19. richv77's Avatar
    Ok, thanks. I used Bing and now when I found it in the Store it says it's not compatible with my Lumia 830.

    -Rich

    Since it is a beta you have to google it. When you'll click on the result you'll be redirected to the store app.
    12-23-2015 11:48 AM
  20. garyhartaz's Avatar
    As a "developer", you did all that rant from button placement, reset to resolve battery issues, bugs that exist in the OS but spent the money 800+ bucks on the Lumia 950XL anyway? You didn't read up, visit a MS store and put hands on, talk to people in the ecosystem then make the 800 dollar call? All I can say is if I had your income, I'd be the best dressed engineer at the firm. I mean, 800 bucks based on splashy advertising is one healthy bank account.
    You make it sound like having it in your hand at the store would magically allow you to discover these things. Since you cannot make or receive calls on the stores devices, you don't get to see how horrible the button placement is or how the IRIS scanner remains on after a call every now and then and subsequently drain your battery. You can't see that there are messaging issues. The list goes on and on!

    Until you have the device working outside the store, in the real world, only then can you appreciate how unspecial it all is.
    12-23-2015 11:53 AM
  21. garyhartaz's Avatar
    Here is my point. Microsoft did not advertise the 950 or 950XL as an "early adopter" or "BETA" device, especially putting it in retail stores across the country. Simply put, Microsoft is selling this line as a "consumer-ready" product to which it is not.

    My wife got her 950 from AT&T. We went through 2 of these because of the call echo issue. I finally said let's just hard reset it and magically the issue went away ONLY to come back with .29 and forcing us to go back through that process again. My point here is, even AT&T has/had no idea how to fix this issue and imagine how many RMA devices the unnecessarily have had to handle on a pure retail level! I couldn't imagine having to walk my parents through such a feat!

    It just blows my mind that with the talent and money available that this is the perceived best Microsoft can do. IMHO, Microsoft needs to break these groups off to operate autonomously from corporate.

    For some of the other commentators out there, I can appreciate your replies on the matter and the geek side of me agrees; however, when I put my other hats on to cover support, marketing, sales, etc. what is happening with this platform is shameful for a company like Microsoft.
    12-23-2015 12:01 PM
  22. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    12-23-2015 12:29 PM
  23. EMitchell's Avatar
    Here is my point. Microsoft did not advertise the 950 or 950XL as an "early adopter" or "BETA" device, especially putting it in retail stores across the country. Simply put, Microsoft is selling this line as a "consumer-ready" product to which it is not.
    Agreed, it shouldn't be a beta-ready device when released to the market at large. I've been OK, debugging things as they've come along, but there are multiple features that are intermittent, sometimes they work, other times they don't. Irritating at best.

    ... Microsoft needs to break these groups off to operate autonomously from corporate.
    Agreed, although unfortunately this is the opposite direction taken by MS.
    12-23-2015 12:30 PM
  24. Justin Engel's Avatar
    I thought the echo issue was a "Hey Cortana" bug? But yeah I agree. There is bug after bug from one thing or another. It takes too much time to figure out how to fix a bug which usually means you have to go without a desired feature.

    The keyboard autocorrect just drives me crazy. How does this not work? This worked well in Windows Phone 8.1.

    The end user should never have to hard reset to fix an issue. My friends don't even know what hard reset and soft reset mean. A normal user doesn't know everything they have to backup. If they have photo backup turned off that's a hassle. Not to mention photo backup had problems. I don't know if it is fixed or not.

    They need to have the Windows Feedback App work like a bug tracker plain and simple. Show me what bugs they are aware of, show me their progress on them, let me follow the bugs, and alert me when a bug has been fixed and in what update.
    12-23-2015 12:40 PM
  25. techiez's Avatar
    Being an early adopter is different to being a "beta tester". The same thing happens for many products when they first go to market.
    So essentially MS is incapable of producing a decent hardware and decent software after going though so many iterations. and now everyone is pinning their hopes on surface phone which is going to be a disaster considering how surface book being a first gen has turned out to be.
    Justin Engel and slivy58 like this.
    12-23-2015 12:48 PM
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