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  1. garyhartaz's Avatar
    Mind blown again today! Microsoft got me on the Insteon kick and I find out today when the app (by Insteon) wouldn't load. Why? Because according to other forums, it doesn't currently support anything beyond the .0 build WM10! How can Microsoft partner with these companies who can't follow through themselves? Never mind, loaded question. I know our Microsoft Store here in Scottsdale, AZ pushes Insteon a lot but I wonder if they even know how many people really won't be able to run their house from their shiny new 950/XL?!?!
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    12-26-2015 05:38 PM
  2. mikepalma's Avatar
    Mind blown again today! Microsoft got me on the Insteon kick and I find out today when the app (by Insteon) wouldn't load. Why? Because according to other forums, it doesn't currently support anything beyond the .0 build WM10! How can Microsoft partner with these companies who can't follow through themselves? Never mind, loaded question. I know our Microsoft Store here in Scottsdale, AZ pushes Insteon a lot but I wonder if they even know how many people really won't be able to run their house from their shiny new 950/XL?!?!
    Yep it's ridiculous. Spent a lot of bucks on this stuff and inaccessible on W10. MS is so lost and behind, soon all us fanboys will jump to complete OSes that developers actually support
    12-26-2015 06:27 PM
  3. emadgaidi's Avatar
    I will say it as nobody did, it all happened after Satya Nadella
    12-26-2015 07:49 PM
  4. scandiskwindows9x's Avatar
    in fact Windows 10 Mobile is an big step back in reliability and confidence, on the Lumia 520 my test phone works awfully bad very slow and even with resets do not really gets any better i have decided do not upgrade my new phone the 640XL to windows 10 untill Microsoft prove that can do better OS AND NOT AN WRECKING ONE , i love Windows Phone but not this awful experience of Windows 10 in "non flagships" even in an lumia 820 the performance is slow as hell and the picture quality an total mess, nothing compared with windows Phone 8.1

    i think the problem there is other

    the Programm Windows Insider was an very mistake , i will not pretend be favorite in my subject, but somebody knows if at MSFT are testing all the phones with 10? i think they are not, but as has millions of insiders are trusting blindly in them and the majority have not technical knowledge or even reports errors to insiders feedback or uservoice, how come millions of millions of Insiders and the windows 10 experience be the worst one in some devices and in others even be slower than windows 8.1 ? i have used in two models in an 520 and is unusable with 10 and in a 820 which gets an performance similar to the 520 with windows Phone 8.1,

    i think was the biggest error this program or probably in wrong hands Apple and Android has similar programs but to get there is harder and not many can get there but looks like in there is more technicians doing their work everyday together with the testers instead of left the insiders alone.
    Last edited by scandiskwindows9x; 12-26-2015 at 10:33 PM.
    12-26-2015 10:03 PM
  5. scandiskwindows9x's Avatar
    I would like to say that you saying Rebooting phones is common is completely wrong and very bad information. There are a lot of tech ignorant people out there that come here looking for info. they see your name green and labeled MODERATOR and they think "this guys must know what he's talking about". "My phone rebooting 6 times a day must be ok, there is nothing wrong with my phone, rebooting is "normal" ....

    No it is NOT. I have several different phones and NONE of them reboot on their own. I think I have seen that happen 2-3 times in the last 4 YEARS on Android and iPhones.. Even my Nokia 1520 and 640 don't reboot on their own for no reason (on 8.1 OS)
    So 2-3 times per DAY is giving people bad information. Giving information like that is why people end up keeping a bad device for more than 14 days where they are stuck with it for 2 years or obligated to pay $30 a month for the next 24-30 months.

    Reboots may be more common if you are on beta software but the Lumia 950/XL released with non beta software. If the released version is rebooting regularly, then the OS is garbage or the phone is defective and should be returned before the 14 day return period is up.
    if the 950 was released with an non beta release then what hell we are doing testing upcoming versions of Windows 10 Mobile if the OS is just finished? should here stop the programm and the delivering of software for insiders since is the stable version just done
    12-26-2015 10:11 PM
  6. Captpt's Avatar
    Still say Win10 is not the culprit!!
    I've never had to reboot my 640XL running any Insider Version, battery life is very good, never had a call disconnect ect..
    I'm so convinced these issues are mainly 950XL hardware issues I decided to give up even waiting for the next round of Pre-Orders and purchased a brand new leftover 1520, should be here in a week.. Not only will it be a bigger display, powerful and glitch free proven true Flagship but I saved myself $450 in the process which I'll just put towards the Surface Phone later next year, it WILL come I have no doubt.
    12-27-2015 01:54 AM
  7. Josh Harman's Avatar
    Still say Win10 is not the culprit!!
    I've never had to reboot my 640XL running any Insider Version, battery life is very good, never had a call disconnect ect..
    I'm so convinced these issues are mainly 950XL hardware issues I decided to give up even waiting for the next round of Pre-Orders and purchased a brand new leftover 1520, should be here in a week.. Not only will it be a bigger display, powerful and glitch free proven true Flagship but I saved myself $450 in the process which I'll just put towards the Surface Phone later next year, it WILL come I have no doubt.
    You should read the endless threads about bugs in the Windows 10 TP over the past year.

    If you're looking for a reason not to spend the money, sure that works, but to blame the hardware that you've never used is injudicious.

    My 950 works perfect, but we're beginning to see that both devices in the 950 series were shipped with multiple firmwares. I can't say how many for certain, but posters have reported at least 5 different firmware builds. The higher numbered firmwares appear to have less or even no issues.

    Hopefully this new firmware release fixed most problems.
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    12-27-2015 02:13 AM
  8. Captpt's Avatar
    My 950 works perfect, but we're beginning to see that both devices in the 950 series were shipped with multiple firmwares. I can't say how many for certain, but posters have reported at least 5 different firmware builds. The higher numbered firmwares appear to have less or even no issues.
    Hopefully this new firmware release fixed most problems.
    Josh I was going to upgrade to the "950XL" and it seems issues are much greater with the XL. I didn't mention the 950.. Makes you wonder though if any of these issues can be associated with the troubled Snapdragon 810??
    12-27-2015 08:49 AM
  9. maj71303's Avatar
    Josh I was going to upgrade to the "950XL" and it seems issues are much greater with the XL. I didn't mention the 950.. Makes you wonder though if any of these issues can be associated with the troubled Snapdragon 810??
    Can't be as other phones use the SnapDragon 810 without issue. IMO it is windows 10 mobile that is having problems. IMO Microsoft should have just went with full 32/64 bit windows on the phones with intel chips. This would have been the pure universal experience people would want. No messing with Arm chips and crap universal apps that aren't quite universal. Intel atom chips, big batteries, up to 256GB storage, nice design, continuum, and it would have been a winner IMO. That would be the universal build one app and thats a wrap ecosystem. Just a lightweight Windows for phones and not the windows mobile garbage they have now IMO.

    But I have already moved on from windows phone and don't think I'll be returning for other than that.
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    12-27-2015 11:46 AM
  10. garyhartaz's Avatar
    Still say Win10 is not the culprit!!
    I've never had to reboot my 640XL running any Insider Version, battery life is very good, never had a call disconnect ect..
    I'm so convinced these issues are mainly 950XL hardware issues I decided to give up even waiting for the next round of Pre-Orders and purchased a brand new leftover 1520, should be here in a week.. Not only will it be a bigger display, powerful and glitch free proven true Flagship but I saved myself $450 in the process which I'll just put towards the Surface Phone later next year, it WILL come I have no doubt.
    I'm on the fence on this one. Some of the issues on the 950/XL I have experienced on the 1520 and still do with the latest build. The reboots so far are only on the 950/XL. Obviously the Hello iris light bug is also limited to the new phone series. I am sure there are firmware related issues that can be fixed in conjunction with OS bugs.
    12-27-2015 11:47 AM
  11. mikepalma's Avatar
    Latest build's photo app (which is pure garbage btw) cause constant freezes and random reboots on my 1520
    12-27-2015 12:36 PM
  12. Josh Harman's Avatar
    Latest build's photo app (which is pure garbage btw) cause constant freezes and random reboots on my 1520
    What's garbage about it?

    BTW no freezes or reboots here.
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    12-27-2015 02:37 PM
  13. mikepalma's Avatar
    Slow, forever to load photos, freezes, and causes phone restarts - garbage
    12-27-2015 02:58 PM
  14. Captpt's Avatar
    What's garbage about it?

    BTW no freezes or reboots here.
    Your replying in the 950XL forum.. I would bet there isn't a thread like this over there lol
    12-27-2015 05:05 PM
  15. ronaldme's Avatar
    Slow, forever to load photos, freezes, and causes phone restarts - garbage

    It is not a normal behavior, there is something wrong with your device.
    12-27-2015 09:20 PM
  16. Jon_Rubinstein's Avatar
    So this is the start of windows phone? ahhh. I forgot....the 4th restart......windows Mobile to windows phone 7, to 8 now back to Mobile 10.....my old Treo w WM was much more stable than my 950xl....and no I'm not going to apple or android....im gonna suffer through MS BS until this POS gets better as I hate everything else....and no, I'm not gonna be quiet....if u don't like the complaints, too bad....
    12-27-2015 11:09 PM
  17. slivy58's Avatar
    So this is the start of windows phone? ahhh. I forgot....the 4th restart......windows Mobile to windows phone 7, to 8 now back to Mobile 10.....my old Treo w WM was much more stable than my 950xl....and no I'm not going to apple or android....im gonna suffer through MS BS until this POS gets better as I hate everything else....and no, I'm not gonna be quiet....if u don't like the complaints, too bad....
    Not the start for me but nearing the end, seeing that "my choice" as to where to purchase has diminished, poor experiences with acquiring accessories/batteries for my three previous WPs, seeing now many notable carriers/retailers slowly thinning out the heard, then top that off with the latest and greatest OS to ever land on earth (W10M) LOL, think it is time for a change. Just seeing how the new OS (in its official state) is purportedly going to roll out to older devices gives me an unsettling feeling, good chance it'll be another "Denim" fiasco but on a larger scale.
    12-28-2015 01:30 AM
  18. Josh Harman's Avatar
    Slow, forever to load photos, freezes, and causes phone restarts - garbage
    That's not the app. It's your phone.
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    12-28-2015 03:17 AM
  19. mikepalma's Avatar
    So its all four lumias on my family plan? Don't speak, unless you know. Also try reading the reviews in the store, what a concept.....
    12-28-2015 08:26 AM
  20. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    Background: Developer, electronics engineer. All in as far as Microsoft goes.

    From the 920, to the 1520 and now this heaping pile, I can't believe the 2 steps back attitude someone at Microsoft has. Yes, I have many of the issues posted here and before any of you hardware engineers say it is a faulty device and swap it out, chill. If all of these issues are truly hardware defects, then this is one of the worst deliveries of defective goods ever!

    I still can't believe people have to revert to hard resets to address battery drain, etc. I can't think of one time I have had to do this on any other platform.

    The biggest thing that ticks me off about this garbage is the button placement. What ergonomic genius though it was a good idea to put the wake/power button in between the volume buttons? Why depart from the layout on the 950? I can't tell you how many times I push the wrong buttons and it has gotten to a point where I am simply just fed up.

    The OS is buggy. I still can't go directly to SMS messages from the lock screen, rather I have to stare at a black screen, press the back button then launch the message app. It's been this way for 4 releases now!

    Random reboots, camera saving wonkiness, and what in the hell is this Facebook app? It is the worst app ever! Is there anyone at Microsoft in the QA department?

    Let's talk about bluetooth streaming. Sometimes it is flawless then out of the blue audio will stutter like a CD is scratched. Hey Microsoft, it's ok to let your testers go to the parking lot to test this stuff out in real cars with real interference, etc.!!

    For $800, I expected a flagship phone and what I believe we all got is something in the 1/3 range. Yes, many of you don't have any problems at all *cough* and will want to tell me my hardware is bad but I know it isn't. About the only cool thing is Continuum and even then, getting the WiDi working was even a trick.

    SMH. Shame Microsoft shame! Whoever you are paying to QA and lead on this should be fired, seriously. Hire someone who cares!
    There is no one left to do the QA as Satya made sure to lay them off.
    12-28-2015 08:28 AM
  21. theefman's Avatar
    There is no one left to do the QA as Satya made sure to lay them off.

    Not true, he made all W10M users unofficial beta testers, he just didn't tell them! :D
    12-28-2015 09:45 AM
  22. Captpt's Avatar
    Ok, you want to play this game?
    Chill out with the attitude, I'm not your enemy.
    Josh not being rude but you have a different phone then those posting issues here.... you keep telling 950XL users what your 950 doesn't do compared to their 950XL's?? It's not like a iphone S6 vs iPhone s6plus where they are running the same hardware.. The XL runs the Snapdragon octa-core 810 w/Adreno 430 & the 950 runs the Snapdragon hexa-core 808 w/Adreno 418. Previous 810 had heat issues which is why the XL has liquid cooling and the 950 does not.. again not meant to be rude at all but your not comparing apples and apples, nice thing is your apple seems worm free and running nicely for you :)
    12-28-2015 12:30 PM
  23. Josh Harman's Avatar
    Josh not being rude but you have a different phone then those posting issues here.... you keep telling 950XL users what your 950 doesn't do compared to their 950XL's?? It's not like a iphone S6 vs iPhone s6plus where they are running the same hardware.. The XL runs the Snapdragon octa-core 810 w/Adreno 430 & the 950 runs the Snapdragon hexa-core 808 w/Adreno 418. Previous 810 had heat issues which is why the XL has liquid cooling and the 950 does not.. again not meant to be rude at all but your not comparing apples and apples, nice thing is your apple seems worm free and running nicely for you :)
    The post I was replying to wasn't even about the XL. It was about the Photos app and on multiple devices apparently.
    12-28-2015 01:13 PM
  24. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    [WARN]Please discuss the topic, not other members. [/WARN]
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    12-28-2015 04:44 PM
  25. hwangeruk's Avatar
    In other news, bloke on Internet forums whines hard about a bad consumer device experience and expresses overly emotive opinions.
    <fx: puts on shocked face>
    12-28-2015 08:02 PM
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