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  1. bilemke's Avatar
    My 950 XL will not do an initial scan with glasses on (but I believe that is the default), so I do the first scan with them off and then a second with them on. Fall back when it fails is that I am required to manually enter the pin on the phone.
    12-27-2015 02:43 AM
  2. Jazmac's Avatar
    Yes, to all of you, I have a 950. I even got a Display Dock for it for Christmas. How the heck do you guys think I figured out I can't use the iris scanner? It WILL NOT read my eye with my glasses on. Having a high prescription isn't the same as having an astigmatism, either. Yes, it is bad tech to make the primary source of identification something that your customers can't use. If there's a reliable backup, fine, of course.

    With an astigmatism, glasses correct it by bending the lens. It bends the light and keeps the iris scanner from properly reading your eye. I took images with Hello with my glasses off, both with the lights on and off. I went to take one with my glasses on, and I tried probably 5 times without success. I then went ahead and tried to unlock my phone. It worked the first time, but never again. I had to remove it. Having a thick lens (which my sister has) just isn't the same. I had to stop wearing semi-rimless frames because they can't hold the lenses I have to wear, due to the severity of the curve in the lens.
    I have astigmatism too. My doctors tell me its bad but even my progressive lenses, Hello works well. But that's me. Not all technology is for everyone. Even a technology like stairs will be an issue for some of the population so no worries. The pin still works.
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    12-27-2015 12:18 PM
  3. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I have astigmatism too. My doctors tell me its bad but even my progressive lenses, Hello works well. But that's me. Not all technology is for everyone. Even a technology like stairs will be an issue for some of the population so no worries. The pin still works.
    How bad's your astigmatism, what's the prescription on your glasses for it? Curious as to how it compares.

    On a personal level, I don't really care about Hello. I've never been one to put a PIN on my phone. I don't hand it out to strangers to use or anything, nor do I put things on there I need to hide. I just don't care to lock my phone like that, just as my desktop is set to bypass the password when I turn it on. Still, I wanted to try it out, and maybe show it off, but I couldn't. No matter how I tried, regardless of light conditions, distance, or angle I held the phone, it couldn't find my eyes through my glasses.
    12-27-2015 01:32 PM
  4. Jazmac's Avatar
    How bad's your astigmatism, what's the prescription on your glasses for it? Curious as to how it compares.

    On a personal level, I don't really care about Hello. I've never been one to put a PIN on my phone. I don't hand it out to strangers to use or anything, nor do I put things on there I need to hide. I just don't care to lock my phone like that, just as my desktop is set to bypass the password when I turn it on. Still, I wanted to try it out, and maybe show it off, but I couldn't. No matter how I tried, regardless of light conditions, distance, or angle I held the phone, it couldn't find my eyes through my glasses.
    Not that I want to get into medicals on that level, suffice it to say my astigmatism is real and thank God for progressive optical technology. :) Sorry you didn't get to try it out but it sounds like you don't lock your phone anyway so on balance, it works out.
    12-28-2015 09:11 AM
  5. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    It's also much easier to chop someone's finger off than to rip out their eyeball too.
    12-28-2015 09:23 AM
  6. ronaldme's Avatar
    Videos? As in more than one video? Post one video of some dude, removing a fingerprint from a cell phone case and using it to unlock a phone..
    It?s easy to create a fingerprint from smartphone photos of someone?s finger
    12-28-2015 11:55 AM
  7. snakebitten's Avatar
    It's also much easier to chop someone's finger off than to rip out their eyeball too.
    Morbid. But I did laugh. Probably because these days nobody is happy at WC. :)
    12-28-2015 01:10 PM
  8. Jazmac's Avatar
    Like I said, show me a video of some dude removing fingerprints from a cell phone case, making a fingerprint and unlocking my phone. Maybe you read but didn't read the entire article you posted.

    "An attacker would have to possess considerable skills, have access to the pricey equipment and the resources to pull off such a feat. Fortunately, that’s outside the realm of the average user who has a limited skill set and basic knowledge of biometric security."
    This blows your entire theory of what is easy huh?

    I'll ask again, Where does this happen besides James Bond movies?
    12-28-2015 08:38 PM
  9. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Look up on YouTube people making fake finger prints and opening iPhone. Also if the print is perfectly on the touch id just press it with a gummy bear. There's a vid for that too.
    12-28-2015 10:38 PM
  10. Jazmac's Avatar
    Look up on YouTube people making fake finger prints and opening iPhone. Also if the print is perfectly on the touch id just press it with a gummy bear. There's a vid for that too.
    No Banya, no. Post it.
    12-29-2015 09:30 AM
  11. Krystianpants's Avatar
    No Banya, no. Post it.
    Gee way to be lazy.



    12-29-2015 09:36 PM
  12. Jazmac's Avatar
    The answer to my question has still not been answered. Show me a guy removing a fingerprint from an iphone case and using that to unlock an iphone. This is what was contended and I have yet to see it. The gummy bear thing is not new.
    12-29-2015 09:50 PM
  13. Krystianpants's Avatar
    The answer to my question has still not been answered. Show me a guy removing a fingerprint from an iphone case and using that to unlock an iphone. This is what was contended and I have yet to see it. The gummy bear thing is not new.
    The second guy actually has a fake fingerprint he made. Once again you see he's comparing with the iphone 5s, so I guess you can look up his initial videos of that. But either way it's a fake fingerprint and we know tape will lift a fingerprint. Or just buy a gummy bear and try not to eat it.
    12-30-2015 06:31 PM
  14. Jazmac's Avatar
    The second guy actually has a fake fingerprint he made. Once again you see he's comparing with the iphone 5s, so I guess you can look up his initial videos of that. But either way it's a fake fingerprint and we know tape will lift a fingerprint. Or just buy a gummy bear and try not to eat it.
    ROTFL. Yes, but I want to see a video accomplishes that. Never mind, I just got the latest James Bond flick. lol.
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    12-30-2015 08:07 PM
  15. tgp's Avatar
    ROTFL. Yes, but I want to see a video accomplishes that. Never mind, I just got the latest James Bond flick. lol.
    I've been following this back-and-forth with interest. I always did agree with your view, and now I'm more convinced! Those videos reveal nothing helpful. Who knows what went on before going in front of the camera?

    While it is technically possible to lift a fingerprint and use it to unlock a phone, it is very difficult; beyond the realm of most people's capabilities. If someone went to the bother to do it to my phone, they would be disappointed with the return!
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    12-30-2015 09:40 PM
  16. ronaldme's Avatar
    I've been following this back-and-forth with interest. I always did agree with your view, and now I'm more convinced! Those videos reveal nothing helpful. Who knows what went on before going in front of the camera?

    While it is technically possible to lift a fingerprint and use it to unlock a phone, it is very difficult; beyond the realm of most people's capabilities. If someone went to the bother to do it to my phone, they would be disappointed with the return!

    The idea is not how easy or hard is to fake the fingerprint, the idea is that the fingerprint scanner is not secure, you can use a nipple and the fingerprint scanner will accept it as a fingerprint.

    If your phone is stolen, the thief will try everything to break the security.
    12-30-2015 10:30 PM
  17. tgp's Avatar
    The idea is not how easy or hard is to fake the fingerprint, the idea is that the fingerprint scanner is not secure, you can use a nipple and the fingerprint scanner will accept it as a fingerprint.

    If your phone is stolen, the thief will try everything to break the security.
    It doesn't matter so much what you use. You have it; the thief doesn't. It would probably take a lot more work to crack someone's phone than it would be worth for the average smartphone, especially since the now mandatory kill switches greatly reduce a stolen phone's value.

    Even so, is this a problem in the real world? I haven't heard of it. I think this is one of those things that looks worse on paper than it is in real life.

    A 4 digit PIN isn't terribly secure for that matter. There are likely plenty of users who normally do not use security because of the inconvenience, but will use a fingerprint reader because it is very user friendly.
    12-30-2015 10:50 PM
  18. ronaldme's Avatar
    It doesn't matter so much what you use. You have it; the thief doesn't. It would probably take a lot more work to crack someone's phone than it would be worth for the average smartphone, especially since the now mandatory kill switches greatly reduce a stolen phone's value.

    Even so, is this a problem in the real world? I haven't heard of it. I think this is one of those things that looks worse on paper than it is in real life.

    A 4 digit PIN isn't terribly secure for that matter. There are likely plenty of users who normally do not use security because of the inconvenience, but will use a fingerprint reader because it is very user friendly.
    I'm focusing on the thread subject.
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    12-30-2015 11:14 PM
  19. Krystianpants's Avatar
    ROTFL. Yes, but I want to see a video accomplishes that. Never mind, I just got the latest James Bond flick. lol.
    Why don't you search? I saw it on a blog embedded somewhere a while back. There's videos showing how to make them. You can use cheap materials. It takes a bit of skill yes. The scenario is if someone steals your phone, they may likely deal with people who can unlock them and do it enough to be skillful. If you lose it, it could end up in the wrong hands. This isn't some james bond skill. Even forensics use this sort of stuff, it's not super secret agent skill. Fact is in those cases, having your iris scanning phone stolen will at least give you the relief that it won't be unlocked and likely will need to be formatted sparring your data.
    12-31-2015 10:44 AM
  20. Krystianpants's Avatar
    It doesn't matter so much what you use. You have it; the thief doesn't. It would probably take a lot more work to crack someone's phone than it would be worth for the average smartphone, especially since the now mandatory kill switches greatly reduce a stolen phone's value.

    Even so, is this a problem in the real world? I haven't heard of it. I think this is one of those things that looks worse on paper than it is in real life.

    A 4 digit PIN isn't terribly secure for that matter. There are likely plenty of users who normally do not use security because of the inconvenience, but will use a fingerprint reader because it is very user friendly.
    A 4 digit pin can be more secure. The phone will only allow so many attempts. And a good number that has no specific dates related to you can go far. Now the windows phone asks on first boot. And that's more secure because less people will be likely to see you entering the pin. With iphone the pin is there but they will likely know about specific hacks for it. Remember these people stealing these are usually doing it for a reason. Random people won't just steal your phone in a typical case. And so these guys know about all the security guards that iphone implements, etc.. My friends iphone 6 was stolen and of course the thief turned it off right away so it won't get disabled. Maybe once they open it up they may have ways to resell in markets like China. If phones were useless after getting stolen then iphones wouldn't be such a hot commodity to steal.
    12-31-2015 10:51 AM
  21. Rupert Holmes's Avatar
    I have long said the parts are worth more than the phone.
    12-31-2015 12:43 PM
  22. Jazmac's Avatar
    Why don't you search? I saw it on a blog embedded somewhere a while back. There's videos showing how to make them. You can use cheap materials. It takes a bit of skill yes. The scenario is if someone steals your phone, they may likely deal with people who can unlock them and do it enough to be skillful. If you lose it, it could end up in the wrong hands. This isn't some james bond skill. Even forensics use this sort of stuff, it's not super secret agent skill. Fact is in those cases, having your iris scanning phone stolen will at least give you the relief that it won't be unlocked and likely will need to be formatted sparring your data.
    Thanks, we'll pick this up in a thread about cyber-security.

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    12-31-2015 02:54 PM
  23. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    Its the future. I think Microsoft needed something to differentiate themselves from the iPhone, since fingerprint scanning was such a hit on those devices. But I'm sure it is something Microsoft Research may have been working on well into the last decade, if not earlier, and the costs have finally come down to where it can be offered on a smartphone. Give it another few years you'll probably see it on budget phones as well.

    Does this mean that we can use the technology to pay for our purchases at the grocery store? Hard to tell. But I did hear that JP Chase said that they will have kiosks available in their locations soon, perhaps by the end of the year. Diebold wants to get rid of ATM cards altogether. If that happens and companies like Diebold and NCR are spearheading the technology you won't even need a cell phone to use the technology.
    01-01-2016 12:46 PM
  24. ronaldme's Avatar
    Search for "iris scanner" on youtube and you will get a lot of "next lg/samsung/sony/etc will use iris scanner"
    01-01-2016 01:34 PM
  25. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    Perhaps. But I'm not saying that the OEMs that develop for Android aren't there with their research and development. I realize that a lot of these technologies, including Continuum, had some origins or were already available in some shape or form on Android. But I don't think of Android when I think of WP. I think of the iPhone, which it appears to have a lot more in common with, with respect to how the technology is "***** proof" and what you can and cannot do with the device. Android is wide open, and you're free to do with the device as you wish, as ill advised as whatever you're attempting to do may be. Windows Phone is not that at all; we just recently got an official file manager, and we still do not have third party keyboards. With WP, you don't have to root, etc. That was the point that I was trying to make.
    01-01-2016 01:46 PM
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