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  1. hardywang's Avatar
    I am already in MS eco-system and don't want to switch. Plus I don't like Android, IOS is a nice platform but I feel the UI is too dull.
    • I need Windows Hello, I use the phone to receive company emails, due to company policy I have to set a very long PIN. Hello does help - I can unlock the phone in about half second to 1 second most of the time. Though I still prefer finger print option if available.
    • Camera - needless to say.
    • I have never owned a flagship phone before. This is my first expensive phone.
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    01-26-2016 06:22 PM
  2. signal-2-noise's Avatar
    ....

    • I have never owned a flagship phone before. This is my first expensive phone.
    The 950XL is definitely expensive, overpriced actually. But it's also just shy of being considered a flagship in its current state.
    01-26-2016 07:52 PM
  3. Rising Mos's Avatar
    The 950XL is definitely expensive, overpriced actually. But it's also just shy of being considered a flagship in its current state.
    All flagships are expensive. I don't consider it overpriced considering the price of flagship android and the large iPhone.
    01-26-2016 10:52 PM
  4. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    Thank you, a good perspective. I had a Lumia 520 three years ago, which btw was absolutely wonderful on WP 8.1! Post that I opted for the Note 3 (for the S Pen), and then got invested in the Android ecosystem. Now I have a Nexus 6P, which by all means is a superb Android device, and my Note has gone to my wife (she is very happy with all the shopping and to-do lists she can write on the screen )

    I think I am judging Windows 10 Mobile based on the fact how crappy it was on the Lumia 520. Gosh those fabled resuming screens and super-lag! Then apps wouldn't update sometimes, and when they did some would break etc. I kept reverting back to WP8.1, and was astonished at the night and day difference. I tried using it as my daily driver on W10M, but would get frustrated by the end of the day. Since I could not do complete justice to the insider program, I shut my Lumia, and went back to my Android.

    That experience taught me I don't have the patience to test out unreleased software. It also taught me that curiosity does kill the cat sometimes. I have not had the chance to restart my Lumia and install any latest builds yet (the last I installed was 10586.36) so I don't know what to expect currently.

    So here is where my gripe lies - I am unwilling to jump ecosystems and put money down for a new phone, if I have to again enroll into the Insider Program (and I know I will want to, coz I'm the sucker that can't keep his hands to himself ). People that say the issues have been ironed out, how feature packed and stable are the RTM builds compared to, in my case, a Nexus 6P on stock Android? Is it a good buy in its current state?
    The last two phones are very nice. Slim and beautiful, great camera, but the OS is still having problems. IF you do not care about the existing issues in the OS, go a buy a 950 or XL, they are worth it.
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    01-27-2016 01:16 AM
  5. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    All flagships are expensive. I don't consider it overpriced considering the price of flagship android and the large iPhone.
    Well, if you take the phone as HW is not expensive at all, it packs many great things. But the OS is not even close to that price point in the state it is now.
    01-27-2016 01:18 AM
  6. travis_valkyrie's Avatar
    1. Latest Lumia
    2. First Windows Mobile 10
    3. Liquid cooling and Windows Hello bragging rights
    4. The "I'm different look at my phone rub it in your face" attitude
    5. Oh and texting, definitely just gonna use it as a cellphone as intended
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    01-27-2016 04:12 AM
  7. Khandoker Maniruzzaman1's Avatar
    I had a Nokia Lumia 920 and when the time came to replace it, I wanted to stay with Lumia. I had bought the 920 because I liked the look of it and its GUI, and I wanted to be different (in a country where most people drive a Toyota or a GMC, I own a Renault). I have to admit that Lumia 950 XL doesn't look as good as the old 920, but I think it is still better than a Galaxy (except Edge, perhaps) or an iPhone. It's cheaper (even if marginally) than a comparable iPhone. I can use my wireless charger bought for the 920 to charge the 950 XL.
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    01-27-2016 05:15 AM
  8. Blacklizted's Avatar
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    Not yet. But here it is.

    I have no resuming issues on my 950XL. No rebooting since the latest firmware/insider update.
    950XL advantage over 6P:
    - USB Type C
    - Better camera
    - more natural flash (seriously)
    - Wireless charging
    - iris scanner (better in winter if it applies to you)
    - better screen to body ratio
    - replaceable back and battery
    - expandable storage of up to 2Tb (once already available)
    - modern OS with much room for improvement

    6P advantages over 950XL:
    - apps (depending on what you use)
    - front facing speakers
    - fingerprint scanner if you don't dig iris
    - more matured OS

    Android is getting old, no matter how much they skin it, it just looks old. Evaluate your needs. Will you survive Windows 10's app collection? What are the things that you are looking for in a phone and OS? The 6P is a good phone, its got the latest hardware.

    What apps do you use regularly, or what apps can you not live without?
    If first on the list is Clash of Clans or Snapchat, just keep the 6P.
    Last edited by Blacklizted; 01-27-2016 at 08:08 AM.
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    01-27-2016 07:49 AM
  9. TLRtheory's Avatar
    It's been some time since Windows Phone stole me away from my extreme devotion towards Android. Simply put, I really like the platform. Settings isn't a confusing mess like it was on any of my LGs/Samsungs, achievements in games actually count towards the same Gamerscore I have on my XBOX/Windows machines, the Lumia camera experience is simply superb and battery life has been traditionally far better than my droids and especially better than my iPhone.

    Though the app gap is the most talked about thing on Windows Phone, we do have hundreds of thousands of apps and the average user has about 42, I decided to see if I could find what I needed within the ecosystem (and I did... relatively easily). Finding apps has never been a problem for me... finding hardware that satisfied me was a pain the neck though.

    I went over the previous mention in great detail in my FULL REVIEW of the Lumia 950, but - in a nutshell - I bought my Lumia 950 because I wanted something powerful and GSM-capable that wasn't a freaking mammoth like the 1520 is.

    Kept it because my unit (and the majority) has been free of the bugs reported, meaning it's been a high-powered and competent device throughout the tons of gaming, work, travel, leisure, social networking, media consumption and shooting pictures/video that I expect a smartphone to handle.
    Last edited by TLRtheory; 01-27-2016 at 05:04 PM.
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    01-27-2016 08:19 AM
  10. TheChazas's Avatar
    Reason:

    It is no worse or better then other flagships in this day, so it is more to OS and design preference.

    I really love both 950/950XL, OS, design, Camera and so on, there are flaws, there really is, but it will get better over time, like every other products from other companies, loved Lumias from the beginning and still to this day, oh and since 3310! For several years I only considered Lumias and Xperias, so Second would be SONY and maybe Samsung, don't really like anything about iPhones. And somehow in todays world having a Lumia flagship is more prestige and innovative, then mainstream ones.

    Lastly, don't believe in any reviews, try yourself and decide.
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    01-27-2016 10:23 AM
  11. deepak12345's Avatar
    Just 1 reason: IF YOU LOVE WINDOWS PHONE BUY IT!!!
    01-27-2016 10:28 AM
  12. mdefran65's Avatar
    Because Microsoft has vision across all devices. Apple and Google, they just want to sell phones and make money. Microsoft genuinely wants to make my life easier.
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    01-27-2016 02:48 PM
  13. permo's Avatar
    Hello all!
    When I bought my 950XL late november last year I owned a 920 which was stolen from me and then replaced by a 1520. This phablet is now my stationary GPS and roadcamera in my Saab TID SC.
    In these two months of practicing my new 950XL there is many aspects of experience. As many other WM10- users I also don't like the way MS is updating the OS; that said I must admit that the .63 version is very stabil and used as my daily driver. No reset has been done except when the battery was empty.
    The camera is awesome and can put up with everything compareable from other phones and OS- the same counts for the Display dock- a wonderful solution for using the phone on big screens!
    The future will show how this will end up with when it comes to marketshare etc. but here in Europe/Norway most people buy Iphone or Android; yes even my wife, children and sons in law use other phones than WM (I am sorry to admit that). The main reason for my choice of OS is my work as an IT- professional and windowsuser from early -80 and up to this day. I think the finetuning between Windows- devices talk for themselves.
    If anybody is in doubt buying a WM-phone; I say: Do not hesitate; especially the flag**** 950XL is a great device and will keep you connected for years to come. Good luck everyone!
    01-27-2016 03:16 PM
  14. snakebitten's Avatar
    Just a tidbit for the folks that feel like they are on an island..............

    Last night I had dinner at my neighbors house. He is my software programmer and is responsible for our corporate W10 universal apps. So it isn't a real surprise that he carries a 1520. While "discussing shop", his wife asked if she could download one of her husbands apps to see what we are talking about. I then realized she carried a L830.

    Then 2 of the other guests both stated they have Windows phones too. He carried yet another 1520 and his wife a 1020. So there we were, 5 folks sitting around dinner ALL with Windows phones. Of course my 950XL was the hit of the party as I Miracasted an episode of our study-group video onto his 55" television. :)

    So back on topic: There are REAL reasons to buy a new Lumia.
    01-27-2016 03:37 PM
  15. hardywang's Avatar
    Just a tidbit for the folks that feel like they are on an island..............

    Last night I had dinner at my neighbors house. He is my software programmer and is responsible for our corporate W10 universal apps. So it isn't a real surprise that he carries a 1520. While "discussing shop", his wife asked if she could download one of her husbands apps to see what we are talking about. I then realized she carried a L830.

    Then 2 of the other guests both stated they have Windows phones too. He carried yet another 1520 and his wife a 1020. So there we were, 5 folks sitting around dinner ALL with Windows phones. Of course my 950XL was the hit of the party as I Miracasted an episode of our study-group video onto his 55" television. :)

    So back on topic: There are REAL reasons to buy a new Lumia.
    This is rare, I have to say 😏
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    01-27-2016 03:55 PM
  16. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    Because Microsoft has vision across all devices. Apple and Google, they just want to sell phones and make money. Microsoft genuinely wants to make my life easier.
    I'm pretty sure they're not that altruistic.They're going in this direction because they're hoping to still be around and continue making money too :)
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    01-27-2016 04:03 PM
  17. wadedickinson's Avatar
    Those are really good questions so here goes:

    a) Is it because the platform and device are helping you achieve everything you want from your mobile device, in a way no other platform can, and how?

    Well, I cannot kill anyone on the road with it's built in laser..... but otherwise... Seriously though, I really do like the platform. If I could have my old Palm Pre3 back and working I'd still be using it today but it's not supported anymore. So I moved to windows after taking a long hard look at Android and IOS. Maybe I just NEED to go against the grain, I don't know but I really do like a windows phone better.

    However, this phone is not all I wanted: The design is somewhat lackluster: After a 2 year wait I expected something... grander maybe? with more innovation I guess, but it's actually an awesome device, fast, responsive, and light weight. I am not having most of the problems I've read about and I consider myself a power user, not just a casual user. There are a few bugs and the app gap is still annoying but mostly not a problem for me. The problem is that it's really a matter of taste, isn't it? I like watermelon and you like cantaloupe, and who are you or I to say the other is wrong. Most likely ANY smart phone out there will fill my needs: It is my understanding that the Android Groove Music app is better than the one for windows phone (my daughter says so anyway). But in fact I do get a little tingle of happiness whenever I pull my 950xl out of my back pocket to check the weather or read a book. Windows hello really works well most of the time and when it won't I just use the password (I have bifocal eyeglasses and I suspect in some lighting conditions it's confusing the sensor).

    I've got a huge sd chip full of music and it accesses fast and easy. In 3 months I've had only one shutdown or crash. The new usb cord charges fast as hell. The battery lasts all day for me from 5 am music in the shower, headphone music at the gym, calls all day, emails, texts, pictures and interfacing with my xbox and office computer. I set it on the wireless charger when I can but it's not more than an hour a day. Usually when I plug it in at 10 pm I've got 25% battery and that feels like a good margin to me. (throw in much gps navigation though and those numbers all go away).

    b) Were you suckered into buying something new and shiny because you are a part of this community and thought that was the in-thing to do, and if so do you regret it?

    Do not regret it! Not once. Suckered.... maybe. My Surface Pro3 is just so amazing that I'm going to keep using the whole system Microsoft has so boldly created. I don't know if I will really use continuum though... the device arrived in only a week and it's still in the box. Maybe if I didn't have the surface pro3, but I don't know.

    c) Bragging rights, and if so, how is it helping you achieve them?

    Can't say I'm into bragging rights. At work I routinely tell people that I am the best at what I do, anywhere. I'm not really bragging, just stating the truth as has been played out over and over in the last 20 years. If someone wants to know about my phone I'm glad to share, otherwise I couldn't care less how they feel because it really works for me.

    d) Any other reason.

    My old 1020 was really ailing and I had been waiting for so long for a real flagship that I just walked in and bought it day one. No regrets. Some nostalgia for my 1020 (bright yellow like a bee!!), but no regrets. I use OneNote to keep a lot of data organized and up to date (3 novels in the works, All my finances, and about a hundred spreadsheets in progress. I play about 20 different games, search the web, watch Netflix, download music and listen, follow 7 podcasts, use GPS, take pictures and talk on the thing all day. I'm sure I could do all that on Android or Apple, but I'm comfortable doing it all on my windows phone.

    Wade
    01-27-2016 04:47 PM
  18. VermaEklavya's Avatar
    What apps do you use regularly, or what apps can you not live without?
    If first on the list is Clash of Clans or Snapchat, just keep the 6P.
    Lol not a fan of Clash of Clans. Also never used Snapchat and don't intend to either.

    The 6P does have USB C though. I am not fussed about which biometric login I use, as far as it is there - so both iris and fingerprint are fair game.

    Most of the phones I have used over the past 8 years have had removable backs, but I have never had to replace the battery on any of them; though they were not very expensive ones to begin with, and I could simply replace the phone once I was done with it. I have been more careful over the past couple of years, and want to keep something valuable for longer, hence the move to, and consideration for, expensive phones.

    I would always have one of those 16GB cards in any phone that I used 5 years ago, but mainly because the phone itself had only 4GB or 8GB internal (which was actually not so bad back then). But with my Note 3, I found my usage wasn't that heavy, and I could always simply connect my phone to transfer files to my PC and back. With the Nexus, I have 40GB free out of the 64GB, and I know I have the extra space for those times when I really want to capture important memories. But I also know I will be transferring them to my PC later for safekeeping, so that space would become free again.

    Cool homescreen layout though! For what you can achieve by simply resizing the tiles; I will have to slap on a custom launcher, a couple of custom icon packs, then change icon and homescreen grid size, arrange everything in that layout, and on top of that create a widget at the bottom to get anywhere close. So two points to the 950XL for this and the camera
    01-27-2016 04:52 PM
  19. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Hi sorry but most of you might not like this question. However with all the reports of bugs on the Lumias 950/XL and Windows 10 Mobile in general, it seems to me all those who bought these phones, did specifically so they could get some bragging rights in the community of Windows Mobile enthusiasts, on this and other similar sites. So I urge you to ask yourselves, and also let me know in the process, why did you really buy the new Lumia 950/XL?
    a) Is it because the platform and device are helping you achieve everything you want from your mobile device, in a way no other platform can, and how?
    b) Were you suckered into buying something new and shiny because you are a part of this community and thought that was the in-thing to do, and if so do you regret it?
    c) Bragging rights, and if so, how is it helping you achieve them?
    d) Any other reason.
    I have an android phone currently (Nexus 6P), however I miss my older Windows Phone (8.1) and want to get a perspective here before I jump ship, hence only serious answers please.
    To start, nothing about bragging rights exists in this. I loved my 920, but it was 3 years old. I wanted to upgrade from that ancient (by tech standards) hardware.

    a) Sort of? I'm not app-driven like most, so I don't care that things like Snapchat are missing, and my dislike of Google as a company has me away from their services as it is. I love having the Xbox integration of the platform (though it mostly exists elsewhere too). I like having a nice camera, and the existence of a camera button does a LOT to get me taking pictures (convenience and such). I also think Continuum's a really cool feature, so having it around is a plus. It's mostly that I can do JUST ABOUT everything I want on W10M, and the exceptions are usually very minor. As a quick example, I'd be happy if Trillian came to the platform, but IM+ is a good-enough alternative.
    b) No regrets here. I mean, there are unexpected annoyances, like the creaking of the backplate. There are expected ones as well, like a lack of choices for accessories. All told, the bugs are very minor for me (as in, I don't experience many, and those I experience don't cause much of an issue). Going back to a smaller, slower 920 that had battery life would be a legitimate downgrade that I would be bothered by. Oh, and I love having a 128-GB microSD card in this phone.
    c) I don't really follow the question. This community, to be blunt, isn't worth bragging to. It's very erratic, and whichever route you take, you're going to get a bunch of praise and hate, just like society as a whole. It's not worth it to try impressing folks. However, I do think the camera is a meaningful positive, as is the microSD support. Continuum is probably the only real "wow" feature, and it definitely did accomplish that task when I showed it to my grandma (who got me the Display Dock for Christmas). I pulled up pictures I took in Disney World (our family trip last year), and she loved being able to see them.
    d) The 920 was just too long in the tooth. The battery life was a joke, being lucky to hit 8 hours of moderate use. Idling on the desk, it was MAYBE 20 hours. The 950's much better in that regard, with maybe 18 hours of moderate use and 30 hours of idle life. The one other thing is that going the AT&T Next route means I can upgrade to the Surface Phone in the fall, if it happens. If I do that, I trade in the 950, and I've basically only paid $360 for the phone, rather than dropping $550-600 off-contract, then trying to sell the phone to pay for the Surface Phone later.
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    01-27-2016 05:09 PM
  20. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    Thank you, a good perspective. I had a Lumia 520 three years ago, which btw was absolutely wonderful on WP 8.1! Post that I opted for the Note 3 (for the S Pen), and then got invested in the Android ecosystem. Now I have a Nexus 6P, which by all means is a superb Android device, and my Note has gone to my wife (she is very happy with all the shopping and to-do lists she can write on the screen )

    I think I am judging Windows 10 Mobile based on the fact how crappy it was on the Lumia 520. Gosh those fabled resuming screens and super-lag! Then apps wouldn't update sometimes, and when they did some would break etc. I kept reverting back to WP8.1, and was astonished at the night and day difference. I tried using it as my daily driver on W10M, but would get frustrated by the end of the day. Since I could not do complete justice to the insider program, I shut my Lumia, and went back to my Android.

    That experience taught me I don't have the patience to test out unreleased software. It also taught me that curiosity does kill the cat sometimes. I have not had the chance to restart my Lumia and install any latest builds yet (the last I installed was 10586.36) so I don't know what to expect currently.

    So here is where my gripe lies - I am unwilling to jump ecosystems and put money down for a new phone, if I have to again enroll into the Insider Program (and I know I will want to, coz I'm the sucker that can't keep his hands to himself ). People that say the issues have been ironed out, how feature packed and stable are the RTM builds compared to, in my case, a Nexus 6P on stock Android? Is it a good buy in its current state?
    I followed a bit of a similar path, in gettng the Lumia 521 (T-Mobile's version of the 520). I then ended up getting an Android phone for a while until I got my Lumia 640 which pretty much fixed all the complaints I had about the 521, not that it was a bad phone.

    The Lumia 640 really is the phone they really should've released as the upgrade to the 521 while it still had momentum and Windows Phone looked like it was starting to finally catch on. After the 521 there was nothing to upgrade for me on T-Mobile and I am not a Flagship buyer when a low to mid tier phone does everything I need.

    Perhaps you could get a Lumia 640 and install W10M or wait for the 650 (if it's price reasonably though), that way you don't have to spend big bucks to get back in Windows Mobile and should it all not go as planned you won't feel like you've gambled your life savings.
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    01-27-2016 05:29 PM
  21. DeathMoJo's Avatar
    I tried Windows 10 with my HTC One M8 and loved it. Decided i wanted a high end phone this time around so the 950 XL fit the bill due to its specifications and screen size. No regrets!
    01-27-2016 06:36 PM
  22. erasure25's Avatar
    Want new flagship phone. The ONLY option for Windows Phone is 950/XL
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    01-27-2016 09:27 PM
  23. lita_g's Avatar
    I've never been a MS fan, but WP really got me when I got my Lumia 920 over three years ago. After so long it was time to upgrade, and the 950xl was at a fair price point.
    I hate iOS, and I was weary of switching to android, so I figured it was worth a shot. The hardware is awesome, and it truly has some unique features. My gripe are the bugs though. I will spend some time this weekend tweaking it, if it doesn't get any better I just might return it and go back to my 920 until something else catches my eye.
    01-27-2016 09:37 PM
  24. VermaEklavya's Avatar
    Perhaps you could get a Lumia 640 and install W10M or wait for the 650 (if it's price reasonably though), that way you don't have to spend big bucks to get back in Windows Mobile and should it all not go as planned you won't feel like you've gambled your life savings.
    if it doesn't get any better I just might return it and go back to my 920 until something else catches my eye.
    Thank you very much. I have understood over the short course of this thread that I don't necessarily dislike the idea of Windows 10 Mobile. I am just wary of 'spending money' on something that hasn't proven its mettle yet. So I guess these are the two ways ahead of me:

    a) Buy a 950XL, use it till the return period, and then either return it or sell my Nexus 6P, depending on which one I end up liking more. Just that I do not find any real use case for Continuum in my life currently, and hence will be comparing them as phones only.

    b) Buy the 640XL, try Windows 10 Mobile, and decide whether I want to invest more in the platform. I might even gift that Lumia to my mom once I'm done. She uses a Samsung Windows Phone (7.8) right now (actually that was my first Windows Phone, and it was so easy to use that I let my mom try it. She loved it and took it from me. This was 2011. It was, and still is, her first and only smartphone. And it still runs superbly well, despite no more support from MS)
    01-27-2016 11:01 PM
  25. VHMP01's Avatar
    Well for the cost benefit; 950XL has equal or better specs than the Note 5, mi other option, I prefer policarbonate to metal simple because I got a Amzer protection doble case for it, after updates it's been pretty stable... So basically: it's lighter, dual SIM, big screen, good aspect to size ratio, good ppi, 8 cores, micro SD uo to 2Tb, 20Mb camera, stereo recording, USB-C, Iris scanner, bigger battery and all at a bit lower Price!
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    01-27-2016 11:13 PM
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